Have thing changed? Say it IS so!! (some thoughts on the NCSt victory)

[Elmer Leghorn]

Beck was 22/27 for 291yards and 3 TD's and no INT's.

Go back to bed.

nothing i said is wrong. We played well yesterday. We won't be a serious title contender with an offense like we run.

 

[grover]

It’s funny that as soon as the reporters press Dawson on the inside runs, he starts calling noticeably more outside runs and counters.

I disagree with some of your posts but this comment is absolutely correct. And I’m pretty sure it was Ferman of all people who pressed him about it. Whoever it was, Dawson tried to embarrass the reporter and generally mock everyone questioning him for his between the guards runs. Suddenly we’re a different team running now. I think the public pressure on him to adjust helped

 

[canecrazy23]

Doesn’t mean **** in the grand scheme of things.

Lol at “start of spring”, he wasn’t no ******* star .

I’ve done my scouting and that’s the opinion I’ve had since we recruited him and he hasn’t done anything to change my mind. He can be a solid depth piece, but he’s not a difference maker. If u call that hating so bet it, but it’s not. It’s called scouting and forming an opinion.

OK Coach. I'll let him know he should hit the road because twes.305 scout thinks he's mid.

 

[grover]

I wonder if we can get charted runs and keep track of duo inside runs and the runs on edges and see the production.. It seemed whenever they tried to revert to inside game it just stagnated the offense.. lol.. THROW IT AWAY

Respectfully, don’t throw it away. You are of course right we weren’t able to get any push running off center recently. But watch how that changes now that LBs and SS need to look for play action, outside runs, screens and counters. Suddenly the middle will open up again. The key to production is unpredictability and talent. We have the latter need more of the former.

 

[twes.305]

OK Coach. I'll let him know he should hit the road because twes.305 scout thinks he's mid.

Knock yourself out

 

[Angry Ibis]

Stop it yall spent all week telling us that CJ Bailey would light us up

In fairness, leadership here spent weeks telling us he was the **** and were all nervous in their predictions this week.

To the game itself, 10 games in to adapt to what we’ve been calling for. Let’s see how we approach VT and Pitt on offense. Also need to see it from the jump vs needing the defense to score before getting confidence in the offense.

Good win.

 

[Silentobserver]

To me, that’s the last missing piece from turning this offense into something that would scare teams come playoffs.

I think the coaches want a TE in the game so they can transition back to the condensed sets “on demand”, but the stats don’t lie. We do everything better out of 4 wide.

Yes but also forces the defense to match personnel meaning they most likely bring a bigger guy (LB) on and take a smaller guy off - 1 less cover guy. I guess that's the thinking, but that only makes sense if you're looking to exploit that through the air, and our TEs currently aren't much to worry about in the passing game

I'd much rather go 4 wide in 10 personnel and run the ball. Our OL against any DL and a single LB in the box leans favorably to us.

I did like how Dawson has started to play around with his personnel a bit i.e. Toney lining up in the backfield as the second back, or even Lofton as the lone back. Lofton's carry wasn't spectacular but you can see the vision. 01 personnel with your TE at RB gives the defense a lot to think about.

Not sure why Dawson has taken this long to make these adjustments. Maybe it's the by product of new faces acclimating to his system and to each other - having a two year starter at QB would be a nice bump to our offense.

 

[BS85]

a lot of people were hoping for a 1 point win so they could *****

Literally nobody wants that, come on

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

In fairness, leadership here spent weeks telling us he was the **** and were all nervous in their predictions this week.

To the game itself, 10 games in to adapt to what we’ve been calling for. Let’s see how we approach VT and Pitt on offense. Also need to see it from the jump vs needing the defense to score before getting confidence in the offense.

Good win.

I’ve been saying all week that NC state was not a good football team while ppl were projecting 30+ points for them when our defense hasn’t given up more then 24 all szn against better competition, we handled business and I expect a similar result against VT they are another bad football team..Pitt will be where we have to be on point because despite how they looked against ND they are no slouch especially if you don’t come prepared.

 

[Yoyo423]

Jakobe, Keionte + Xavier all strong pickups

Are they here because of Will Harris primarily?

Lucas was before Harris but the other two came in May/spring so he has to get some credit.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I’ve been saying all week that NC state was not a good football team while ppl were projecting 30+ points for them when our defense hasn’t given up more then 24 all szn against better competition, we handled business and I expect a similar result against VT they are another bad football team..Pitt will be where we have to be on point because despite how they looked against ND they are no slouch especially if you don’t come prepared.

The fear was based on our coaching staff and whether NC State would be able to score, forcing us to play from behind with clenched **** and pressure.

Another pick-6 to set the tone. Which was fantastic, but just let the offense play and have fun from the jump. The change is good. Never go back to slog.

 

[Ryanmilli]

I haven’t seen opponents have to specifically game plan against a defensive lineman like they do for Bain in a very long time. Any pass play where he isn’t doubled is specifically designed to get him upfield and then slipping a screen or short pass behind him. He plays the run, the QB run, the misdirection plays, everything at an elite level. If I have one nitpick it’s that we don’t move him around more. Slide him inside occasionally on third and long. Make the offense have to adjust on the fly. If he’s always rushing from the same position it’s an assert to game plan for.

They did do that a bit yesterday. On a couple 3rd-and-longs we had 4 DEs out there with Bain lining up in a DT spot.

 

[DTP]

Also, where’s that one ****** who was on here defending Dawson calling the same plays because “most teams only run a handful of plays”? Yesterday, not only did we run a bunch of plays we haven’t seen all year, we used multiple formations we haven’t used all year.

 

[Rickd]

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Well It’s not like NCST is the third worst D in cfb or anything.

Oh wait…

Well regardless, they managed to put up 48 against Ga Tech ... and Miami shut them out until the 4th quarter when the 2nd and 3rd team defense was in. Great effort by UM ... finally.

 

[PIPO]

Has Miami found itself offensively? The slow, overly methodical unit we saw in Dallas vs SMU, and for much of the first half vs the Cuse, was a fun and productive one against NCState. It's not like there is a new team out there, it's the same roster -- but with some new faces and some variation in their attack.

Pringe, Moore, Upshaw are in the mix more than in previous weeks and they have given this offense an injection of energy. And most of all, it's fun and it's creating points

Going back to Pringle, he seems to have 'it'. He's not big, but Girard has that innate vision, and is slippery -- with a real burst. I don't care that he's a true freshman, at this point he needs to be a central component of this offense. Reminds me a bit of Clinton Portis in 1999, you just saw a guy who made things happen with his playmaking ability

I still would like to see more tempo( early in games) with our offense, but I do appreciate the creativity. The players are feeding off of that and having fun. Also, it's creating points and what we saw was a team that eventually created a feeding frenzy that positively impacted both sides of the ball

Because as the defense was allowed to play with a lead, you saw them come downhill and really dictate to the Wolfpack from the time they went up 10-0 on the Jakobe Thomas pick six. Again, playing from ahead with the superior team makes this game so easy.

Speaking of Thomas, he's challenging Jaelen Phillips for the best defensive transfer portal defensive player in Miami history. Today the loss of Deionte Scott was not felt.

Overall, the defense was stout. Mesidor was dominant, and Bain was Bain (again, he impacts the game far more than the stats suggest) and the defensive backfield was sticky all day

This is the best game UM has played since dominating USF back in September. Hopefully, this carries over into Vatech and Pitt. Just keep winning and let the chips fall where they may. What I saw today was a playoff team, whether it becomes one remains to be seen. But the goal was to finish 3-0. 1 down, two to go.

The defense set the tone and great job by Beck & Pringle taking over that game yesterday. Both were super solid.

 

[PIPO]

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I sit in that End Zone that he scores (WEZ) and when he did that and then lowered the boom on Bailey, it was over!!!

 

[PIPO]

Was out watching game and missed the start, who started at nickel?

Fitzgerald

 

[rascon]

Yes but also forces the defense to match personnel meaning they most likely bring a bigger guy (LB) on and take a smaller guy off - 1 less cover guy. I guess that's the thinking, but that only makes sense if you're looking to exploit that through the air, and our TEs currently aren't much to worry about in the passing game

I'd much rather go 4 wide in 10 personnel and run the ball. Our OL against any DL and a single LB in the box leans favorably to us.

I did like how Dawson has started to play around with his personnel a bit i.e. Toney lining up in the backfield as the second back, or even Lofton as the lone back. Lofton's carry wasn't spectacular but you can see the vision. 01 personnel with your TE at RB gives the defense a lot to think about.

Not sure why Dawson has taken this long to make these adjustments. Maybe it's the by product of new faces acclimating to his system and to each other - having a two year starter at QB would be a nice bump to our offense.

You see, THESE are the types of questions I would be interested in hearing Dawson speak on.
What prompted some of the changes we saw this week? Self scout? Analytics? CIS?
What stopped us from some of these personnel/alignments shifts happening earlier in the year?

I don’t buy it took 9 games to get acclimated to his system. Thats a broken system then.

And one more interesting thought/question if he would answer without being condescending. Has he considered calling games from the box? I don’t see him interacting all that much with players when defense is out there. Usually just a few words to people as they come off the field. I wonder if he was up in the box if he would be able to identify defense tendencies quicker or where our opportunities are faster.

 

[k9cane]

Yes but also forces the defense to match personnel meaning they most likely bring a bigger guy (LB) on and take a smaller guy off - 1 less cover guy. I guess that's the thinking, but that only makes sense if you're looking to exploit that through the air, and our TEs currently aren't much to worry about in the passing game

I'd much rather go 4 wide in 10 personnel and run the ball. Our OL against any DL and a single LB in the box leans favorably to us.

I did like how Dawson has started to play around with his personnel a bit i.e. Toney lining up in the backfield as the second back, or even Lofton as the lone back. Lofton's carry wasn't spectacular but you can see the vision. 01 personnel with your TE at RB gives the defense a lot to think about.

Not sure why Dawson has taken this long to make these adjustments. Maybe it's the by product of new faces acclimating to his system and to each other - having a two year starter at QB would be a nice bump to our offense.

that's the thing, when you discuss play-calling, it's more than just about run or pass. But really at times HOW you do it, and with WHOM you do it, and at what down and distance

You can run the exact same plays, but the sequence in which you do so, and who you have out there can produce totally different results

I personally think the Malachi Toney as a throwing threat should be a regular facet of this offense. Why limit him, or this offense. I recall UVA several years ago had an offense where there had three guys who could essentially be a QB on the field at the same time. I think the regular QB was Brennan Armstrong.

It seemed quirky, but it was hard to defend. It gave defenses something to think about every play

 

[Impudicity2001]

I wonder if we can get charted runs and keep track of duo inside runs and the runs on edges and see the production.. It seemed whenever they tried to revert to inside game it just stagnated the offense.. lol.. THROW IT AWAY

I had posted after Louisville, and possibly got quoted during the Dawson presser where he threw a fit, but here are the stats then and now and the changes over time. YPC = Yards per carry, YCO is yard per carry after contact and OLY/C is Yards per carry before contact (I credit them to OL). Remember the 2nd table contains all the data of the first so even though they are little moves there is a real change in philosophy.

Just quickly looking at A Gap itself per game: Stanford 35% @SMU 42%, Syracuse 38%, NC State 26% and YPC per game for all gaps went from 4.4->4.6->5.7->6.2.

Now it could be because they have to cover all the gaps now and not just squeeze 7 in the box, or it could be because the pass game is effective (no big drops on WTFO throws or 3rd downs)(also can't play cover 0) and it could be the Pringle sees gaps better (but I'd note MF4 had a 16/120/7.5 ypc day against USF). It is most likely a mixture of all. Overall, I am glad the change happened and hope it is not too late - as the OL has already lost its case for the Moore award not because they are bad but because the scheme was stale and bad.