Has the Manny Diaz Gimmick Defense Run It’s Course??

[miketoro]

The secondary is also off. Bandy is definitively not a boundary CB. Put him back in the slot. He had a brutal game. Jaquan’s presence is sorely missed.

 

[M3N]

4-2-5 ain't gimmicky. We had alignment and leverage issues. UNC simply out schemed us. Sad but true.

They also have a very legit OC. Dude is proven

 

[miketoro]

He isn't as quick off the ball as those guys. But he is a big strong dude and i haven't seen him get pushed around. Need to find somebody with more quickness to pair with him.

Hopefully Nesta will be that guy. He has the Willis body type.

 

[miketoro]

This defense has become legend mostly off teams making unforced turnovers! For past few years that TO Chain has been in the psychology of our opponents so much that they can’t hold on to the ball no matter what! Like Carolina last year!
Yep the chain has hidden many of our teams flaws.
Those turnovers hide a lot of issues with Manny’s scheme for past few years!

Kudos for him and staff creating the TO culture but it appears to have worn out its effect! Now we got to play head up defense!

 

[MRMAC1]

Say it louder for the dummies in the back!!

Maybe the Dline Coach is simply not as good as Simpson and Kul?

 

[MRMAC1]

Maybe the Dline Coach is simply not as good as Simpson and Kul?

Anyway Diaz know he has to make changes on the Defense. That is not the same Defense that Diaz has been playing the last 3 years. Good against the run, but not enough pass rush. Seems that they are playing containment Defense.

 

[paksat]

Baker's effectiveness is suspect. So is Patke. Both should be on a short leash.

a short leash?

i'm sorry but didn't he coach the linebackers? how are they looking?

didn't he coach special teams now this season? how are they looking?

he has NO BUSINESS on this team

baker needs to be suspended from play calling as well.

 

[FTaCane94]

2.3 yards/carry seems to run a bit counter to your narrative.

Stop with stats!! We can’t get a stop or show up when needed. You make Franks and a 1 game experience freshman QB beat you like a doll. 4 and 17

 

[TheToadSage]

Another issue is rotation on the defensive front. If our defensive tackles can't generate pressure on passing downs then create a "NASCAR" package and get up field. ****, bring in Brooks and blitz with him. Idc, but our secondary has to learn to communicate better and we have to start getting pressure on the qb. It's time to ****** croot as well. Idc how many bags you have to drop or whose wife has to get ****ed, you sign Flowe. Ok, rant over

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

When's the last time a 4-2-5 team won a Natty?

 

[Mr.Everything305]

Teams seem to have figured out how to exploit every weakness in this Diaz / Baker hybrid 4-2-5 bs.

Am I the only one that has noticed right before the ball is snapped you can see gaps in the defense and soon as the ball is snapped the opposing teams offense gashes us in that same area?

This defense automatically creates wide open run lanes and wide open receivers... running backs gash us all the time by running a counter to the weak side. And receivers are killing us deep against the striker and against our boundary corners in the flats.

When the game is on the line we can’t get a stop against the run or pass unless we get a sack or hit on the qb... and with Stroud as our Dline coRch that obviously isn’t going to happen at the same rate we are use to.

What wrong with that delay Safety blitz?

 

[MiamiChris]

Teams seem to have figured out how to exploit every weakness in this Diaz / Baker hybrid 4-2-5 bs.

Am I the only one that has noticed right before the ball is snapped you can see gaps in the defense and soon as the ball is snapped the opposing teams offense gashes us in that same area?

This defense automatically creates wide open run lanes and wide open receivers... running backs gash us all the time by running a counter to the weak side. And receivers are killing us deep against the striker and against our boundary corners in the flats.

When the game is on the line we can’t get a stop against the run or pass unless we get a sack or hit on the qb... and with Stroud as our Dline coRch that obviously isn’t going to happen at the same rate we are use to.

Every D they will find a way to find open spots, but this D runs on turnovers and tackles for loss and I didn’t see any of that yesterday. I’m not an expert but the DL was nonexistent in regards to causing havoc

 

[WPB Cane]

I’ve been completely sold on Manny’s attacking 4-2-5 scheme. I’ve also believed it’d have its best shot of succeeding with Florida speed employed all over. I’ll be honest, heading into UF I thought our defense would be the headline but it was Grantham and his 3-4 making noise through out. After last night I’m starting to take a stronger look at Baker.

 

[UMFarArcher]

4-2-5 ain't gimmicky. We had alignment and leverage issues. UNC simply out schemed us. Sad but true.

Yep. Outsmarted, outcoached, outplayed.

 

[Hurracanes]

I can already see this “striker” position being a running joke for years to come.

 

[[]_[]nique]

I thought Jon Ford turned the corner in his development.

I saw him in the backfield often last night.

 

[KrazyCane]

I thought Jon Ford turned the corner in his development.

he is who he is... a future undrafted NFL free agent.

I saw him in the backfield often last night.

Ford has never been in any backfield “often”... I’m not sure who is worse at shedding blocks between him or Bethel.

 

[CanesAreAble]

What’s gimmicky about the scheme?

What’s an example of a scheme that’s not gimmicky?

What are the differences?

 

[Dwinstitles]

**** Krazycane turned this quick u know its bad

 

[KrazyCane]

The secondary is also off. Bandy is definitively not a boundary CB. Put him back in the slot. He had a brutal game. Jaquan’s presence is sorely missed.

I would rather start him at safety over Gurvan Hall when the nickel isn’t on the field.