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Taverndrunk99
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Did this draft prove that we might be over evaluating our players as fans?
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No way.
This board never overestimates our players.
This board never overestimates our players.
Brandinho
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The entire defense was good (not great), including the scheme, so that elevated all their play.
Joe Jack floundered as DE1.
JJ was undersized and didn't test well.
Redwine was shaky in coverage in year 1 and 2, tested well and got drafted higher than anticipated for it.
Mike Jack regressed from year 3 to year 4.
The only stunner is obviously Willis, but I'm sure he didn't get picked up for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with football.
Joe Jack floundered as DE1.
JJ was undersized and didn't test well.
Redwine was shaky in coverage in year 1 and 2, tested well and got drafted higher than anticipated for it.
Mike Jack regressed from year 3 to year 4.
The only stunner is obviously Willis, but I'm sure he didn't get picked up for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with football.
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A resounding NO
what happened out of the norm other than Willis not being picked?
Joe Jackson was a great college player but he tested well below average athletically which will make teams take you off their board or not prioritize you in the draft. Simply put he didn’t meet certain thresholds you like edge rushers to meet and most teams don’t overlook that. Could he have gone earlier? Yeah but his athleticism held him back for sure and it was a deep de class
Same with Jaquan, ultra productive but he’s small and tested poorly and not fast. He got drafted about where he should have
Not sure why homer never got the hype he deserved since he’s a do it all back who is athletically gifted and can block but his vision is not that good.
Mike Jackson and redwine were probably under drafted imo but it was a deep db class.
And guys like mcshay/kiper who do this scouting for a living thought Gerald Willis was a 2nd round pick and both thought homer/Jaquan would go higher
what happened out of the norm other than Willis not being picked?
Joe Jackson was a great college player but he tested well below average athletically which will make teams take you off their board or not prioritize you in the draft. Simply put he didn’t meet certain thresholds you like edge rushers to meet and most teams don’t overlook that. Could he have gone earlier? Yeah but his athleticism held him back for sure and it was a deep de class
Same with Jaquan, ultra productive but he’s small and tested poorly and not fast. He got drafted about where he should have
Not sure why homer never got the hype he deserved since he’s a do it all back who is athletically gifted and can block but his vision is not that good.
Mike Jackson and redwine were probably under drafted imo but it was a deep db class.
And guys like mcshay/kiper who do this scouting for a living thought Gerald Willis was a 2nd round pick and both thought homer/Jaquan would go higher
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The bottom line is that Miami has always had good skill players. Even when we were bad.
But the line play hasn't always been there and that's what wins games.
So, yes, the fans blame coaching because it's cheap and easy but the truth is that our line play has been poor for a long time.
But the line play hasn't always been there and that's what wins games.
So, yes, the fans blame coaching because it's cheap and easy but the truth is that our line play has been poor for a long time.
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I don’t think anyone ever said any of those guys were Super stars. What did joe Jackson actually do that was so great last year. Johnson ran some slow times which killed him. There were plenty of media experts saying some of those guys were going to be drafted early.
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There are many on this board that overvalue the Canes players. Some thought Willis was going to be a first day pick and we all were suppose to respect Joe Jackson’s decision because he was going to be a second round pick.
Deejay Dallas will leave early and we all love him so people will think he is a second rounder even though he is a little slow. Garvin made a sack vs Notre Dame so people will say he is a first rounder. Happens every year.
Deejay Dallas will leave early and we all love him so people will think he is a second rounder even though he is a little slow. Garvin made a sack vs Notre Dame so people will say he is a first rounder. Happens every year.
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JJ was not a great player.
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Yes
The players we get are good but other teams who are elite have different dogs. The problem with most fans is the watch YT videos of our players and HUDL highlights. When you see other teams (the elite) they have different animals and the draft indicates that. If it were 2000 the NFL would not overlook our guys. It not because of wins its because those guys were elite and jumped off the film.
Fans are stuck in the past (i was one of them) i now realize those schools get other worldly athletes. If u watch recruiting and watch the elite squads they get beast man and the HS film shows beasts. Even NFL scouts say we arent the same its the truth.
Our team would look a whole lot different if we closed on the beasts that we lose on NSD. But teams are cheating as per a coach on this very team said. That little bit is the difference IMO
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The players we get are good but other teams who are elite have different dogs. The problem with most fans is the watch YT videos of our players and HUDL highlights. When you see other teams (the elite) they have different animals and the draft indicates that. If it were 2000 the NFL would not overlook our guys. It not because of wins its because those guys were elite and jumped off the film.
Fans are stuck in the past (i was one of them) i now realize those schools get other worldly athletes. If u watch recruiting and watch the elite squads they get beast man and the HS film shows beasts. Even NFL scouts say we arent the same its the truth.
Our team would look a whole lot different if we closed on the beasts that we lose on NSD. But teams are cheating as per a coach on this very team said. That little bit is the difference IMO
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They do this because it allows them to blame coaching which almost everyone likes doing.
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Our guys overvalue themselves. They need to stop leaving after their junior year unless they are sure first rounders.
Love the confidence, but be smarter.
Love the confidence, but be smarter.
If fairness to the board (which has FSU-tear levels of delusional homerism), Willis was a 2nd team AA, and - even though it was panned here - 2nd team All-Acc. So, he wasn't a good as the Clemson guys - but there were tons of DT predicted to go R1. Not crazy to think he slides into the backend, on comps to the Clemson guys alone.
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Exactly. Our fans use our defense being a top defense and compare it to Michigan's D, another top D, and then wonder why those players get drafted over our's. The reason is ALL of those guys on Michigan's team are flying around the field, not just one or two like we'll occasionally see from our squad.
Like you said, we start hitting on those missed players and not only will our defense execute better but we'll start seeing the results when the draft rolls around.
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This is what gets Miami fans “in trouble”:
1. Under the radar kid has great measurables out of HS. This generates a measure of expectation with him before he’s stepped onto the field.
2. In his first season on the field he starts to deliver on some of that promise. Projections start to settle in, a benchmark is established for his freshman/RS freshman year. This benchmark is fluid, really only requiring the kid to make a handful of key plays to justify his lofty college projection. (Amari Carter is a recent example.) We start to see his future and, this is the first key mistake, project a track of improvement. This track is often inaccurate, assuming a steady rate of growth in a human being who has limited (not small, just not unlimited) means of improvement.
3. The second critical error: after 1 possibly legitimate season we marry the track of improvement with an NFL projection. That projection is almost always “if he keeps improving, with his size, he could be a 1st rounder.” It’s not **** to say, “JJ needs to keep improving at a steady rate and have a favorably thin class at his position to get drafted on day 2.” Nobody says that, ever.
4. We do not reevaluate our expectations as that “projected player” fails to materialize. Mike Jack did not have a great year. It was fine, it was not what I personally expected. But I said to myself, “his size is an NFL ideal, it was just a down year, he’s a second day guy.” And he may have a career that reflects that, but I should’ve downgraded my expectations of his slot. Stacy Coley goes here, etc. We are quick to raise our projection on a guy, but slow to lower it. That’s just being a fan.
5. Guys like Willis artificially weigh down the outlook of a class. There’s no way to project that fall, it makes no sense. Couple that with guys sliding down a round or two later than we all expect and suddenly it looks like you overrate your players. Ultimately, I don’t think we do more than any other fan base. In fact, maintain that we are our own harshest critics, on the whole.
1. Under the radar kid has great measurables out of HS. This generates a measure of expectation with him before he’s stepped onto the field.
2. In his first season on the field he starts to deliver on some of that promise. Projections start to settle in, a benchmark is established for his freshman/RS freshman year. This benchmark is fluid, really only requiring the kid to make a handful of key plays to justify his lofty college projection. (Amari Carter is a recent example.) We start to see his future and, this is the first key mistake, project a track of improvement. This track is often inaccurate, assuming a steady rate of growth in a human being who has limited (not small, just not unlimited) means of improvement.
3. The second critical error: after 1 possibly legitimate season we marry the track of improvement with an NFL projection. That projection is almost always “if he keeps improving, with his size, he could be a 1st rounder.” It’s not **** to say, “JJ needs to keep improving at a steady rate and have a favorably thin class at his position to get drafted on day 2.” Nobody says that, ever.
4. We do not reevaluate our expectations as that “projected player” fails to materialize. Mike Jack did not have a great year. It was fine, it was not what I personally expected. But I said to myself, “his size is an NFL ideal, it was just a down year, he’s a second day guy.” And he may have a career that reflects that, but I should’ve downgraded my expectations of his slot. Stacy Coley goes here, etc. We are quick to raise our projection on a guy, but slow to lower it. That’s just being a fan.
5. Guys like Willis artificially weigh down the outlook of a class. There’s no way to project that fall, it makes no sense. Couple that with guys sliding down a round or two later than we all expect and suddenly it looks like you overrate your players. Ultimately, I don’t think we do more than any other fan base. In fact, maintain that we are our own harshest critics, on the whole.
