There was a discussion on here a while back about the 3-4 and I posted something that Nick Saban said during an interview on signing day. He mentioned how due to the popularity of the spread offense, that Bama was in their base defense only about 40% of the time. Our staff probably doubles that.
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There was a discussion on here a while back about the 3-4 and I posted something that Nick Saban said during an interview on signing day. He mentioned how due to the popularity of the spread offense, that Bama was in their base defense only about 40% of the time. Our staff probably doubles that.
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I will say Deon Bush had a pretty subpar game - reads, angles, etc. Almost any time he's put in position to make a read, he's a step late. I don't really blame him because I know what kind of player he's supposed to be.
He's one of the most obvious downhill Safeties we've had here in a while. In the alternative, I'd feel more comfortable giving him a single assignment. Something like "cover #18 the entire game; yourself." If I were the D-Coordinator and had a choice between what we're asking him to do now and something that extreme, I'd honestly give him a peewee football lockdown assignment.
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they had no shot. if it was a run play a D-Lineman would have to make a play, but since they are likely taught to hold up O-Line so the guy behind can clean up the play it is kind of hard to do when the nearest guy is 7 yards behind. So the guys 7 yards behind has to decide to commit to stop the run to have any shot which obviously means play action would be wiiiide open or they don't bother with the run and basically concede the first down if it were a run play (maybe more once that RB gets into the 2nd level)
the play was lost before the snap.
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To repeat myself for the 1000th time, it's a philosophy issue. This is what these guys genuinely believe they can make work. They want downhill players to play straight assignment football.
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Still think this one ****es me off even more. I remember being in, oh I don't know, 7th grade. My history teacher/defensive coach told me as the middle linebacker that when we get lined up and we are off balanced by the offense, my job is to yell "bump" and the unit/direction. I don't know what the **** anyone is doing in this picture.
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Because these schematic issues are symptoms of a larger problem. Our coaches are putting our players in positions where we have lost the play before the ball is even snapped. While the overall defensive results of the Lou game were fine, it was largely because their offense sucked. Just wait until we play an offense that doesn't have a first time ****** qb, and their two best playmakers missing. The 500 yard defensive performances are coming, I guarantee it.
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That is a short yardage/goal line package but the alignment is ****ed up.
so the guys 7 yards back have to make a major move upfield to get any shot at cleaning up a run play...if there is playaction these two guys are ****ed.
Just zero room for error since these guys have to run hard and fast at the RB to have any chance of cleaning up the play if it is a handoff.
To give you a contrast:
almost identical packages on both sides of the ball to the miami play. the contrast in the alignment is staggering.
You're preaching to the choir toke. What I meant was why don't we have a goalline package that makes a shred of sense. On third or fourth and short, we are always outnumbered at the line (like in the jhall post above where Lou actually has 6 guys left of the center not 5 vs our 3).
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It's not just that, but like Vice said, yeah, we gave up X amount of yards and points, but imagine what we would have done if we weren't lining up like ******* idiots.
Or running ends out to cover wr's. The performance would have been better.
Or running ends out to cover wr's. The performance would have been better.
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Yup. Louisville is not a good football team. We made them look mediocre which is better than what they are. That's just what we do and what we've done since Golden arrived. Regardless of stats, we make the opposing offenses better than what they are.
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3rd and 2
Have you ever seen anything like this before?
Defensive wishbone formation at its finest
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Let's not forget they were probably missing 2 of their top 3 players on offense and had a RS Freshman starting his first game. They also dropped a few first downs. Y'all bout to fall for that defense is back like the Florida game last year.
DL was better but not great. LB might be worse than last year although Armbrister flashed some. Kirby was terrible (cue the gif of him gettin ran over). and apparently none of our LB's can cover (isn't this supposed to be Grace's specialty?!?!?) DB's MIGHT be better but hard to tell when we are playing this soft zone coverage.
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as a recruiting rival it would probably behoove my interests for this staff to stay in place but you guys need a coaching staff. Not new OC and DC...the entire staff. For a head coach that is supposed to be a defensive guy there is just no excuse for the elementary mistakes. Just complete butchering of the most basic concepts of football. It is inexcusable.
I like a lot of the guys that post on here and I feel bad for you guys. Seriously. This not fun. Went through a 4 win season last and it was awful and sucks the entertainment right of saturdays. Our coach may prove to be ****** as well, but i am happy that he is at least competent (great actually) on his side of the ball and realized his offensive mentality is a failure and needed a drastic change (no huddle spread). In your case you can't even trust your HC with his "specialty" and I can't imagine the frustration.
I like a lot of the guys that post on here and I feel bad for you guys. Seriously. This not fun. Went through a 4 win season last and it was awful and sucks the entertainment right of saturdays. Our coach may prove to be ****** as well, but i am happy that he is at least competent (great actually) on his side of the ball and realized his offensive mentality is a failure and needed a drastic change (no huddle spread). In your case you can't even trust your HC with his "specialty" and I can't imagine the frustration.
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Don't you guys get the mentality behind the formation in the first still when Louisville had 3rd and 2 in the redzone? I'll explain it to you. It's just another example of Golden being a gutless coward. The philosophy behind that alignment is to protect the endzone first and foremost. Golden/Dorito will gladly concede the first down in exchange for being more certain to keep them out of the endzone. Forcing 4th down is not the top priority.
This is the type of sick twisted mentality we are dealing with here. It's the same with the CBs being 10 yards off the receiver on 3rd and 6. Getting the stop is not nearly nearly as important as protecting the endzone and not getting beat deep. Guys, we literally concede first downs as a function of scheme in exchange for the peace of mind these clowns get in mitigating a potential explosive play. These guys and their fatalistic loser mentality are a cancer in our beloved program and it will metastasize quickly if not cut out soon.
This is the type of sick twisted mentality we are dealing with here. It's the same with the CBs being 10 yards off the receiver on 3rd and 6. Getting the stop is not nearly nearly as important as protecting the endzone and not getting beat deep. Guys, we literally concede first downs as a function of scheme in exchange for the peace of mind these clowns get in mitigating a potential explosive play. These guys and their fatalistic loser mentality are a cancer in our beloved program and it will metastasize quickly if not cut out soon.
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I am confused by this comment. Isn't this saying that bush isn't very good? He can't grasp defense. I think this is more an indictment on him than the dc.
If they wound throwing the ball isn't this actually a good alignment. I am not defending the DC as he didn't call that formation knowing the pass was coming but in the end it turned out to be an ok d call. Meanwhile we ignore the fact that our players ignored their assignment and let a guy get wide open by 15 yards.
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Neither is teaching your OL to block each other.
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correct. The ineptitude on our staff was staggering...fortunately the OC and Oline coach were fired. We will see if it makes a difference this year. If not then muschamp needs to go as well.
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3rd and 2
Have you ever seen anything like this before?
Sure the formation looks terribly wrong, but truth be told, the defense was not the reason we lost AT ALL. That defense game up only 366 yards of total offense and I use the word "only" in confidence because they were left out to dry as the offense only converted JUST 1 FIRST DOWN. Thats also against a Pertrino offense. That's impressive.