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Dwinstitles said:
It's the same **** that happens here the homers put the blinders up. But then u have rational unbiased fans that tell it how it is. Those r the guys always hated on social media.....the realist.
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Eh, there’s probably only a small handful of homers here who are always hyping up players and coaches. To me, being real is having a realistic understanding of the team and setting expectations accordingly. Too many fans are under the assumption that Miami is still a championship level program and anything short of championships is a failure. They don’t see that almost 20 years of mediocrity has set the program back miles and it’s not an overnight quick fix. It’s not as simple as making one coaching hire or one recruiting class. There needs to be continued improvement across the board for a while before this program can claim to be a contender
 
flagator86 said:


i initially made myself like this take at first (Hev ****** recruiting can do that to you from time to time) even though he should have never been offered by UF and while i think we were wise to process him, its f’d up we did this to him so late in the process
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Like you said below this initial post, kids do this to schools a lot. Miami knows this all too well.
 
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So let me see if I can understand KKKoolgtr's argument.

He is claiming that Chad Simmons from Rivals is overinflating Georgia recruits to the 5-star level. And that Georgia's 5-star haul is somehow fraudulent, and not indicative of the truth.

So lets limit this comparison to Florida vs. Georgia, just with Rivals 5-stars.

In 2021, Rivals gave 5-star ratings to 6 FL high school players, and 3 GA players.
In 2020, Rivals had 4 FL 5-stars, 6 GA 5-stars.
In 2019, Rivals had 4 FL 5-stars, 3 GA 5-stars.
In 2018, Rivals had 9 FL 5-stars, 4 GA 5-stars.
In 2017, Rivals had 8 FL 5-stars, 3 GA 5-stars.

More importantly:

In 2021, UGa had 2 of its 2 5-stars who were from GA high schools.
In 2020, only 2 of the 5 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2019, only 0 of the 3 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2018, only 4 of the 8 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2017, only 1 of the 2 UGa 5-stars were from GA.

I've watched Rivals/247 rankings for years. Usually, most of the 5-stars are set well in advance of their commit dates, and while there are some additions to the number of 5-stars over time, it's not like some 3-star gets bumped to 5-star simply because one school recruits him.

But this KKKoolgtr guy is acting like Chad Simmons has single-handedly benefitted UGa, and that somehow, the Gaytors cannot recruit from the same pool of players.

It's unbelievable, what kind of nonsense these Gaytor fans swallow to justify their delusions.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
So let me see if I can understand KKKoolgtr's argument.

He is claiming that Chad Simmons from Rivals is overinflating Georgia recruits to the 5-star level. And that Georgia's 5-star haul is somehow fraudulent, and not indicative of the truth.

So lets limit this comparison to Florida vs. Georgia, just with Rivals 5-stars.

In 2021, Rivals gave 5-star ratings to 6 FL high school players, and 3 GA players.
In 2020, Rivals had 4 FL 5-stars, 6 GA 5-stars.
In 2019, Rivals had 4 FL 5-stars, 3 GA 5-stars.
In 2018, Rivals had 9 FL 5-stars, 4 GA 5-stars.
In 2017, Rivals had 8 FL 5-stars, 3 GA 5-stars.

More importantly:

In 2021, UGa had 2 of its 2 5-stars who were from GA high schools.
In 2020, only 2 of the 5 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2019, only 0 of the 3 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2018, only 4 of the 8 UGa 5-stars were from GA.
In 2017, only 1 of the 2 UGa 5-stars were from GA.

I've watched Rivals/247 rankings for years. Usually, most of the 5-stars are set well in advance of their commit dates, and while there are some additions to the number of 5-stars over time, it's not like some 3-star gets bumped to 5-star simply because one school recruits him.

But this KKKoolgtr guy is acting like Chad Simmons has single-handedly benefitted UGa, and that somehow, the Gaytors cannot recruit from the same pool of players.

It's unbelievable, what kind of nonsense these Gaytor fans swallow to justify their delusions.
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1796 pages of it and counting to be exact
 
flagator86 said:
lol recruits do it to schools when they say they’re solid and then flip on signing day. It’s the ugly side to recruiting
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Not close to the same thing. Big time programs are rarely, if ever, caught totally by surprise. This is a multibillion dollar game, legit programs have eyes and ears everywhere and know whether a recruit is sniffing around to another school. When it comes to 5 star recruits, they are plugged into a recruit's friends, family, and coaching staff who are incentivized to make sure the player sticks to his commitment. A real shocker might happen once in a blue moon. The Marshall situation might be one of the most secretive last second flips in recent memory, and even then there were several people who knew that Marshall's coach was trying to get UF and Bama into a bidding war behind the scenes (it was even posted here a couple days before it went down). The Canes staff hoped he would stick, but they also knew that UF was going to try and save face by landing a big time recruit because it was getting its a$$ kicked on the recruiting trail. UF dropped so much money it made Bama do a double take, and Marshall took the big bags. Not totally unexpected.

3 star recruits don't pull last second flips. A major P5 might be a 3 star's best offer, so they aren't going to suddenly drop UF, Miami, Bama, etc for FIU or USF unless they are being encouraged by the P5 to look elsewhere. The G5's generally don't have bags to drop to get kids to flip and they aren't dropping those bags for a 3 star. UF outright dropping a 3 star recruit who had shut down his recruitment is a scumbag move. Mullen's lack of professionalism is just another nail that is going to get hammered into his coffin at the end of the 2021 season when he gets fired after going 8-5.
 
flagator86 said:
lol recruits do it to schools when they say they’re solid and then flip on signing day. It’s the ugly side to recruiting
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Yeah but when a kid has been solid to you the whole time.... 3 days before signing day?? Mullen just now decided this?

Was the kid flirting with other schools?? Was he wavering?? I get that...
 
Canes2082 said:
Yeah but when a kid has been solid to you the whole time.... 3 days before signing day?? Mullen just now decided this?

Was the kid flirting with other schools?? Was he wavering?? I get that...
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nah. I believe once Gilbert talk of hitting the portal came about and UF became an option, SOMEBODY had to get put on the chopping block as numbers were/are tight and him being the low hanging fruit drew the short end of the stick
 
Canes2082 said:
Yeah but when a kid has been solid to you the whole time.... 3 days before signing day?? Mullen just now decided this?

Was the kid flirting with other schools?? Was he wavering?? I get that...
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Follow the money.

The Gaytors did not let Strickland sign on December Signing Day. There were other kids with academic issues (some of whom have since landed with Neon Deion at Jackson State) but nobody ever said that Strickland was an academic risk. He was only a "talent" risk.

Then, for a month-and-a-half, he was allowed to sit on the Gaytor commit list as the Gaytors chased all the "crossed out" names that I keep posting/updating.

Finally, on the same day that the Gaytors get the LSU tight end to transfer, certainly not a name they would have expected in mid-December, all of a sudden there's no room for Strickland.

Yeah, this has nothing to do with Strickland flirting with other schools or wavering. It has everything to do with the Gaytors pushing him out for 5-star portal kids.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Follow the money.

The Gaytors did not let Strickland sign on December Signing Day. There were other kids with academic issues (some of whom have since landed with Neon Deion at Jackson State) but nobody ever said that Strickland was an academic risk. He was only a "talent" risk.

Then, for a month-and-a-half, he was allowed to sit on the Gaytor commit list as the Gaytors chased all the "crossed out" names that I keep posting/updating.

Finally, on the same day that the Gaytors get the LSU tight end to transfer, certainly not a name they would have expected in mid-December, all of a sudden there's no room for Strickland.

Yeah, this has nothing to do with Strickland flirting with other schools or wavering. It has everything to do with the Gaytors pushing him out for 5-star portal kids.
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Thats BS then...hopefully kid has some options
 
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DTP said:
Eh, there’s probably only a small handful of homers here who are always hyping up players and coaches. To me, being real is having a realistic understanding of the team and setting expectations accordingly. Too many fans are under the assumption that Miami is still a championship level program and anything short of championships is a failure. They don’t see that almost 20 years of mediocrity has set the program back miles and it’s not an overnight quick fix. It’s not as simple as making one coaching hire or one recruiting class. There needs to be continued improvement across the board for a while before this program can claim to be a contender
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I even fall victim to the expectations and standard. I know it's a different standard now and I feel like that's unacceptable.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Follow the money.

The Gaytors did not let Strickland sign on December Signing Day. There were other kids with academic issues (some of whom have since landed with Neon Deion at Jackson State) but nobody ever said that Strickland was an academic risk. He was only a "talent" risk.

Then, for a month-and-a-half, he was allowed to sit on the Gaytor commit list as the Gaytors chased all the "crossed out" names that I keep posting/updating.

Finally, on the same day that the Gaytors get the LSU tight end to transfer, certainly not a name they would have expected in mid-December, all of a sudden there's no room for Strickland.

Yeah, this has nothing to do with Strickland flirting with other schools or wavering. It has everything to do with the Gaytors pushing him out for 5-star portal kids.
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pretty much this. Once he didn’t get the greenlight to sign in December, he def should have peeped game and dipped. Idk what he was told behind the scenes but to not have a back up plan after being told to hold off on signing wasn’t smart on his decision.

All in all, he shouldn’t have been a **** “take” much less offered in the FIRST place but thats a whole nother convo lol
 
flagator86 said:
nah. I believe once Gilbert talk of hitting the portal came about and UF became an option, SOMEBODY had to get put on the chopping block as numbers were/are tight and him being the low hanging fruit drew the short end of the stick
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Only way to get better is taking the better player...at the end of the day yea it sucks but u gotta do what u gotta do to try and compete.
 
flagator86 said:
pretty much this. Once he didn’t get the greenlight to sign in December, he def should have peeped game and dipped. Idk what he was told behind the scenes but to not have a back up plan after being told to hold off on signing wasn’t smart on his decision.

All in all, he shouldn’t have been a **** “take” much less offered in the FIRST place but thats a whole nother convo lol
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I agree. Look, I understand the game, and I realized some kids get pushed out, I just think that waiting until the last week before Signing Day is a bunch of BS. Miami pushed out Savion Collins and Tim Burns well in advance of Signing Day, and gave those guys plenty of time to catch on somewhere else.

I'm also going to laugh my butt off if the Gaytors take Savion Collins just so they can "win" the Palmetto recruiting competition.
 
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