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CFLCane said:
Plenty of us rang the alarm. Lingards junior tape was trash. Pope had like less than 600 yds his whole HS career. I really have no idea how that kid even got to 5 stars.
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Ain't gonna lie. It's a tough conundrum.

When we recruit a 5-star WR that doesn't have a ton of WR stats (and then he doesn't produce at the college level), our fans destroy our coaches.

When we DON'T recruit a 3-star who plays QB and doesn't have a ton of WR stats (and then he does develop at the college level), our fans destroy our coaches.

Yet...you can't have it both ways (not you personally, just in general).

For decades, we have recruited kids who played on HS teams that didn't showcase their talents properly, didn't throw the ball much, etc. If you could say "Hey, Pope's stats are not great AND the lower-rated kid at the other WR position is producing big results", then I think it would be a red flag. I would also ask a simple question, did Pope have anywhere near the drop-rate in HS that he has in college? Because that would be another valid red flag.

There's no "one answer or one standard fits every situation". Every year, every 4 and 5 star player that we get, at least SOME people come onto the board to talk about flaws. So we will always have "ring the alarm" posts that can be resurrected 3 years later.

Bottom line, the issue we are having with Pope is drops. If anyone can point out the indicators that we ignored on how Pope was inclined to drop passes, feel free to post. Otherwise, all the "he didn't have enough receptions" posts can just be filed away with all the other stupid threads that are being bumped three years after the fact.
 
Contrary to popular belief guys who CAN play usually get on the field in some capacity. If you’re a former 5 star running back four years removed from high school and still can’t get on the field, it’s because you suck. Or maybe it’s a crazy coincidence that UF’s coaches have the same bias UM fans think their coaches have?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Ain't gonna lie. It's a tough conundrum.

When we recruit a 5-star WR that doesn't have a ton of WR stats (and then he doesn't produce at the college level), our fans destroy our coaches.

When we DON'T recruit a 3-star who plays QB and doesn't have a ton of WR stats (and then he does develop at the college level), our fans destroy our coaches.

Yet...you can't have it both ways (not you personally, just in general).

For decades, we have recruited kids who played on HS teams that didn't showcase their talents properly, didn't throw the ball much, etc. If you could say "Hey, Pope's stats are not great AND the lower-rated kid at the other WR position is producing big results", then I think it would be a red flag. I would also ask a simple question, did Pope have anywhere near the drop-rate in HS that he has in college? Because that would be another valid red flag.

There's no "one answer or one standard fits every situation". Every year, every 4 and 5 star player that we get, at least SOME people come onto the board to talk about flaws. So we will always have "ring the alarm" posts that can be resurrected 3 years later.

Bottom line, the issue we are having with Pope is drops. If anyone can point out the indicators that we ignored on how Pope was inclined to drop passes, feel free to post. Otherwise, all the "he didn't have enough receptions" posts can just be filed away with all the other stupid threads that are being bumped three years after the fact.
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Bad comp. Stats are stats. Position doesn't matter as much as flat out playmaking ability. Pope showed what he was on tape. Charmin soft with the occasional flash of talent mostly due to his speed. Zero physicality which to me will always be a glaring red flag. Same with Lingard if I watch RB film and they arent breaking tons of tackles at the HS level then their ceiling is ultra low IMO. Go back and watch Duke Johnsons HS tape or Dalvin Cooks. They didn't just showcase elite speed they showed elite toughness. 5 stars should be physically overwhelming not just speed but strength and toughness as well.
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
Bad comp. Stats are stats. Position doesn't matter as much as flat out playmaking ability. Pope showed what he was on tape. Charmin soft with the occasional flash of talent mostly due to his speed. Zero physicality which to me will always be a glaring red flag. Same with Lingard if I watch RB film and they arent breaking tons of tackles at the HS level then their ceiling is ultra low IMO. Go back and watch Duke Johnsons HS tape or Dalvin Cooks. They didn't just showcase elite speed they showed elite toughness. 5 stars should be physically overwhelming not just speed but strength and toughness as well.
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Again, there is a difference between what the ratings services say and what coaches see on film, in camps, etc.

What I am commenting on are these sweeping generalizations, where people criticize players based solely on stats. At least you are commenting on certain traits seen on film, and that is what is much more relevant.
 
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One of them said he could be a slot? He’s the least natural pass catcher I’ve ever seen on a P5 roster.

He makes Dee Wiggins look like DeAndre Hopkins.
 
Adam Schefter reported that there are rumors that Mullen would be open to go to the league in a coaching role, would be a blow to the turds in my oppinion. As I said, only rumors but he did a good job with the offense, would help us probably when it comes to offensive recruiting.
 
swisscane said:
Adam Schefter reported that there are rumors that Mullen would be open to go to the league in a coaching role, would be a blow to the turds in my oppinion. As I said, only rumors but he did a good job with the offense, would help us probably when it comes to offensive recruiting.
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If that happens wonder how many of their recruits jump ship even the ones signed already that ask for a release.

No doubt they would target Matt Campbell I bet or dare I say Mario
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Again, there is a difference between what the ratings services say and what coaches see on film, in camps, etc.

What I am commenting on are these sweeping generalizations, where people criticize players based solely on stats. At least you are commenting on certain traits seen on film, and that is what is much more relevant.
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Camps are bull**** and imo a total waste of time, besides the testing. Gimme game film and measurables. I dont care what any football player does without pads.
 
swisscane said:
Adam Schefter reported that there are rumors that Mullen would be open to go to the league in a coaching role, would be a blow to the turds in my oppinion. As I said, only rumors but he did a good job with the offense, would help us probably when it comes to offensive recruiting.
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Hope he stays.
 
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Want him to stay. He just had a NFL QB and loaded offense and still lost 4 games on a friendly schedule. Plus he is not a good recruiter. Dont let him leave and get somebody like Matt Campbell
 
JG14 said:
Want him to stay. He just had a NFL QB and loaded offense and still lost 4 games on a friendly schedule. Plus he is not a good recruiter. Dont let him leave and get somebody like Matt Campbell
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I said since the day he was hired that UF would be in purgatory with Mullen. I'm fine with UF winning 8-10 games a year and trying to talk themselves into being considered elite and being good not great on the recruiting trail. I know they got UGA this year (thanks Kirby) but they'll go back to 2nd tier in the SEC East with no realistic chance at the playoff.
 
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