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The fact that ware was questioning the field goal that much told me it was absolutely the right call. That guy is an idiot.

King took a few shots that, live, I didn’t think he was coming back from. Stood in the pocket and delivered. Guys see that and follow that lead. Good things happen when your qb is the toughest guy on the team.
 
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The Franchise said:
I don't think there was anything cowardly about Diaz's call. The easy call was to go for it. He made the tough call and the right call. He's a smart guy with a good feel for in game strategy. There's no questioning that.
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I disagree on that call. It worked out, but was wrong on the math. It left us needing another td, which meant it’s utility was solely towards winning IF we scored another td. In that situation, down 7, you try to tie, imo. If you fail, you still need that next td. If you succeed, you don’t need another td, just a fg, which is more likely. With our execution challenges, getting close is a lot more likely than scoring a td. He had a 40-50% chance of tying the game right there and left us a fg from victory. And there were a lot of ways we end up losing based on his fg call. Thankfully, king bailed us out.
 
JgDaCane said:
The pass rush is so true. We stunt way too much & it kills our DT’s ability to get up field. Those guys need to be rushing straight up the field. We may as well use 4 DE’s because you’re taking them right out of the game when you make a slow guy have to go all that extra way.
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Agree that we stunt our DTs too often....it's a joke when our DTs run a slow developing twist on early run down, opening a HUGE gap. I couldn't watch most of the game last night but i saw JHH and Nesta out there together on the 1st drive and immediately thought that was going to allow for big run plays inside as neither of those guys can handle double teams play after play.

But our alignments and gap control are complete garbage as well. IF....and i say IF the defensive strategy is for the DTs to single gap and shoot upfield, why not play the LBs closer to the line, allowing them to fill run gaps much quicker? Keep them so far off the line, with poor instincts on top of it, allows the OL to push the DTs to the side and catch the LBs so deep at the 2nd level that huge lanes open. Every play our front 6-7 shows exactly where they will be.....zero attempt to confuse the OL or QB.

And why keep the safeties 10-12 yards off the ball and drop 5-8 more on the snap? Are you really that scared of all these backup QBs that you will not let your safeties walk up to the box? Why can't we mix up coverages and schemes? We are so predictable and simple that backup QBs handle what we throw at them. Backups.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I disagree on that call. It worked out, but was wrong on the math. It left us needing another td, which meant it’s utility was solely towards winning IF we scored another td. In that situation, down 7, you try to tie, imo. If you fail, you still need that next td. If you succeed, you don’t need another td, just a fg, which is more likely. With our execution challenges, getting close is a lot more likely than scoring a td. He had a 40-50% chance of tying the game right there and left us a fg from victory. And there were a lot of ways we end up losing based on his fg call. Thankfully, king bailed us out.
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I agree and said the same during the moment. Because of how the game had gone (difficulty stopping a team that converted something like 64% of 3rd downs up to that point), you really need that 40-50% shot at the TD (from the 5 yard line). If you don't get it, you still need a TD anyway. But, you shorten the field if/when your defense gets a stop. The call actually increased the number of variables to win the game.

Otherwise, you're looking at a long field for our offense that had, prior to that point, converted something like 36% (if I remember correctly) of 3rd downs. Didn't help we got negative out of the return. It worked out and looks fine, in part, because King threw a perfect strike on 3rd and 7 and Harley broke free. Diaz's call is actually the ballsier, "gut" call. Glad it worked out.
 
I haven’t even finished reading the OP yet but...

“OK. I'm going to stop sucking King's dyck because my jaw is getting tired.”

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Our defense is like Deadpool when Jauggernaut rips him in half. Upper torso is the offense, defense is the baby legs just trying to catch up.
 
423Hurricane said:
Some were questioning that decision by Manny to go for the FG. Even the announcers. My honest feeling at the time was it was the right call for a couple of reasons. It showed confidence in the D to make a stop and maybe light a fire under their collective asses. And it showed confidence in the O that they could score given the opportunity. Could very well have backfired but that call just might go a long way in giving the entire team more confidence in the ability to overcome adversity.
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I didn’t know what to make of it at the time. I was trying to consider if it was really smart or coRchery. It worked out well but I will only add that if Manny knew the defense was now playing better because he took it over from Baker and already saw the results then in hindsight I love the call.
 
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Absolutely correct on the discipline sir. The players constant yapping at the other team would be ok if they could back it up. We were an int away from losing that game last night. Pitt almost beat us, until they got the dropsies and couldn't complete a pass in the final possession. When the play is over, get back in the huddle. If a player from the other team takes a cheap shot, you don't have to retaliate. Make them pay on the scoreboard. 15 yard penalties have killed several of our drives in almost every game. The offense can't save our *** every time.

I usually don't comment on the refs, but last night they did their best to ruin that game, for both teams. No one wants to see a flag fest.
 
I certainly questioned Manny's decision to kick the fg when he did, but I don't think he makes that decision without taking over play calling. He won't admit it because he'll protect Baker, but I'd bet every cent that I have that that soft shell that Baker routinely plays disappeared once Manny took over.
Also, I just have to get this off my chest, what in God's name are the D coaches teaching? Not only do we lack discipline, but our D seems devoid of fundamentals. The fundamentals of setting the edge, watching the ball (D line), how to wrap up and tackle, getting your head around, etc. We do have talent, but it's tough watching mistake after mistake.
 
ajkreider said:
D gave up 8 yards in the 4th, and 117 in the third.

The ability and scheme are there - just not all the time.
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This is the mystery, why don't we play defense from the beginning of the game like that? D was lifeless in the first half
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I disagree on that call. It worked out, but was wrong on the math. It left us needing another td, which meant it’s utility was solely towards winning IF we scored another td. In that situation, down 7, you try to tie, imo. If you fail, you still need that next td. If you succeed, you don’t need another td, just a fg, which is more likely. With our execution challenges, getting close is a lot more likely than scoring a td. He had a 40-50% chance of tying the game right there and left us a fg from victory. And there were a lot of ways we end up losing based on his fg call. Thankfully, king bailed us out.
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LuCane said:
I agree and said the same during the moment. Because of how the game had gone (difficulty stopping a team that converted something like 64% of 3rd downs up to that point), you really need that 40-50% shot at the TD (from the 5 yard line). If you don't get it, you still need a TD anyway. But, you shorten the field if/when your defense gets a stop. The call actually increased the number of variables to win the game.

Otherwise, you're looking at a long field for our offense that had, prior to that point, converted something like 36% (if I remember correctly) of 3rd downs. Didn't help we got negative out of the return. It worked out and looks fine, in part, because King threw a perfect strike on 3rd and 7 and Harley broke free. Diaz's call is actually the ballsier, "gut" call. Glad it worked out.
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You know, now that we know the outcome, we can go back and forth on that forever. Looking at the full sequence of events, we had 2 TDs taken off the board for absolutely no reason other than incompetence, at best. We'd like to think of each play as an independent event, but teams react to things in a series, that drive had a fake wall,.so I don't mind taking the 3 there even if it introduces other risks. A TD there is 30 to 40% proposition, Borreagles is probably >90%. They had been driving the ball obviously, but in the 4th Q we had gotten a few stops and had all three TOs. It wasn't what the book would suggest, but I don't mind setting up for a go-ahead TD.
 
The Franchise said:
WHEW!!! I'll start by saying that was a wildly exciting football game. Back and forth. That was some old school Rocky fake boxing ****. It was another slugfest with a crappy opponent with a bad backup QB, but at least this one was fun to watch. Let's get right to it.

Pros:

--The King. This is a special special dude. He's tough as nails. Cool as a cucumber. A phenomenal leader. Just imagine what this season would be looking like right now if we didn't have that dude. Mabo would be circling the drain like a **** shot in the shower. That was the best QB performance I've seen at UM since Vinny beat OU with some superman ****. Sure, it wasn't for all the marbles or any of that other cliche ****, but it was incredibly important to THIS TEAM's season. Without that miracle performance, we lose to a crappy team, and the wheels officially fall off with us likely staring at at least 3 more losses.

King brings not only exceptional ability, but he's a guy that his teammates can rally around because of his toughness and leadership too. This dude's a dream QB for this program and Lashlee's system. I knew NCSU's D was a **** pile, but King still had to make those plays. Guys were open, but we've seen that before. Open doesn't mean the play will be made.

If we didn't have a handful of drops, King would have been a 90% passer for 500 yards with 600 total yards. Let that sink in. We've never seen anything remotely close to that. OK. I'm going to stop sucking King's dyck because my jaw is getting tired.

--The team's resolve. They made a lot of mistakes and came out sluggish and undisciplined, but they kept swinging.

--Joe B. That dude's automatic, and he gives us a guy we can rely on. If we didn't have him, we don't kick that late FG and probably fail on 4th and goal from the 5. And that onside kick didn't happen by accident. He drilled that dude with the ball on purpose.

--Cam Williams. It was one play, and I don't know if anyone even saw it, but it was pretty fun to see a DE 35 yards down the field running down a RB. That was hustle and some crazy athletic ability. Looked like Metcalf.

--Knighton for dropping a hat on NCSU's K. I love that kid's toughness. He's a tone setter. He's close to breaking a KO for TD, but it'll probably get called back anyway.

--Harley. This little dude has flipped the switch. He's pretty much catching everything, and he's a TD machine. Harley, before the last 2 weeks, falls down on that final slant that he housed. Now, he keeps his baby giraffe legs and balance and goes to the promised land.

--Pope. He's a con and a pro for me. He's an enigma, but I get the feeling he's right on the cusp of being the guy I always thought he would be. He was wide open for a long TD on one of King's only bad throws. He had another awful drop and a stupid drive killing selfish penalty, so it was tough to put him the pro section. I put him here because I admire grit almost more than anything, and he showed it last night. He could have folded after his early struggles, but he didn't. Kudos, Pope.

--OL. We rallied. NCSU is a terrible D, but that hasn't stopped us in the past from giving up a ton of sacks. We gave King more time than I can remember a UM QB getting consistently. Still not moving anyone in the run game, but we started getting it going a little bit late in the game.

--Nesta's super manly bull rush late. That was a momentum changer. Our DL isn't getting the pressure I thought they would, but that play was huge.

--Love little Couch. He's a tough kid with great football instincts. The way he evaded the RB on his sack is what we've been missing. Most of the time, our blitzers
just run into blocks and get absorbed. Not Couch. I love him blitzing from the slot because he's fast, tough, and smart. He's not looking to get absorbed.

Cons:

--Defense. Again, we let a ****** backup (and don't let anyone tell you that POS Hockaloogey is anything other than bad) get comfortable and play easy pitch and catch. The D is a shell of what it was. I cautioned when we decided to go up tempo spread that our D would suffer, but I don't think last night had much to do with our up tempo offense. We just looked lifeless, slow and clueless for 3 and a half quarters.

--Al Jr. He dropped a huge INT. On top of that, he's another one of our CBs who is either coached not to find the ball or just can't. There was a long pass early that was underthrown. If Al turns his head, he picks it off. Instead, the WR slowed down, turned around, and caught it. Bad stuff. Watch how Clemson's CBs turn around and make plays on balls, and then watch ours. Ours look like the mentally challenged kid running face first into a wall.

--Once again, just too many guys wide open all over the field.

--Pass rush is super weak. I overestimated Phillips's impact in the pass game. I love his motor and his relentlessness, but he doesn't get enough heat on the QB for some reason. With his motor and athleticism, it must be a lack of toolbox. Wouldn't mind seeing a little more 22 and 12.

--Penalties. The selfish penalties are absolute killers and so are the offsides on 3rd and 4. We are still a very undisciplined team. We were absolutely killing ourselves with untimely penalties on O and D yesterday. Drive killers and drive extenders.

Conclusion: Not sure that game proved anything, but wow was it fun to watch and win. NCSU is a REALLY bad defensive team, but we took advantage of that. We've played some really bad defenses in the past and made them look good by slowing the game down and playing tight formation football in a phone booth ****. Last night, we humiliated a bad defense, which is what I've been dying to see for years.

Defensively, we're pretty weak. Play Vag Tech, UNC, or even Wake like this, and they'll hang 50 on us. Good news is we can hang a lot on them too. I expect a lot of shoot outs for the remainder of this season. We're playing some good offenses, and we stink on D. If we can keep The King rolling like this, we should be able to out shoot the rest of em.

Put King is a fcking hotel and leave him there for the rest of the season. Test some hookers. Let them relieve him of his poison. Give him room service. Do whatever you have to do to keep the VID away from him. But if this guy isn't our QB, we are garbage.
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Chise, Phillips really needs some counters on his pass rush, everything is a bull rush with him. This is why he shouldn't really think about coming out -- he's not a complete player, yet

Also Alverage Blades is a JAG, bottom line. Another guy that shouldn't even think about leaving, lest he become Trajan 2.0

This year, it's very simple, just find a way to survive and win as many games as possible, and keep that momentum going for recruiting. I think every remaining game is going to be a dog fight and they're probably going to need some more magic from King
 
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Reppingtheu said:
I feel like our Defensive players are not smart players. Like nobody is teaching them. They always look confused and caught off-guard when they can't just use their physical attributes to make the play. Especially our LB core.
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Well it doesn’t help that only 1 or 2 of our defensive position coaches are qualified for their job.
 
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No one wants to admit it but Carter was our best safety last night. He is a really solid tackler, who is also known to take a targeting penalty..... or ten. Lol but when he plays he’s impactful.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I disagree on that call. It worked out, but was wrong on the math. It left us needing another td, which meant it’s utility was solely towards winning IF we scored another td. In that situation, down 7, you try to tie, imo. If you fail, you still need that next td. If you succeed, you don’t need another td, just a fg, which is more likely. With our execution challenges, getting close is a lot more likely than scoring a td. He had a 40-50% chance of tying the game right there and left us a fg from victory. And there were a lot of ways we end up losing based on his fg call. Thankfully, king bailed us out.
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I disagree. Take the sure 3, get a stop with all your TOs and plenty of time left, and then go win. The OT rules are retarded, so I'm not a fan of playing for OT.
 
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