G5 Representative in the College Football Playoff is the equivalent to DEI.

[PIPO]

They earned their spot just like everybody else.

If Miami doesn't make the playoffs, it's not because of G5's, or the refs, or anybody else but Miami.

If we win the games we're favored to win, this discussion doesn't happen.

Don't get mad at G5 schools for handling their business on the field, when we didn't.

Again - this is not just about Miami. It’s about all of the other teams in the top 15 fighting for at-large bids.

They would’ve earned on the field playing other G5 teams.

When they play P4 teams, they lose most of the time.

Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread: have the G5 team have a play in game vs the last team that just missed out the week following the last game of the year.

 

[Stats02]

And......if the G5 rep is so undeserving, then so are teams 5-50 from the P4 conferences, since they also got blown out. Hope this helps.

I was ok with Boise State earning a playoff spot last year. They were deserving for sure, but should have been at large bid. I was not ok with them at the #3 spot and having a 1st round bye.

I know the committee changed the format this year, so that and a conference champ such as Arizona State and a G5 rep wouldn't be placed in the top 4 spots.

Is there a G5 rep that deserves a qualifying spot this year? I don't think so. Boise was good enough last year, so it wasn't a problem. Who is your G5 rep this year that's as deserving at Boise was last year?

 

[PIPO]

Tennessee? Oregon?

The best G5 team is just as competitive as the slop that gets in for the last few seeds.

Yes - they got blown out last year but both of those teams were pretty good in the regular season playing against the best competition.

Boise State and Jeanty were out there running all over those G5 teams to the tune of 230 yards a game. He plays vs a good team and it took him what, 50 carriers to get 100 yards and get blown out by PSU?

 

[Memnon]

Again - this is not just about Miami. It’s about all of the other teams in the top 15 fighting for at-large bids.

They would’ve earned on the field playing other G5 teams.

When they play P4 teams, they lose most of the time.

Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread: have the G5 team have a play in game vs the last team that just missed out the week following the last game of the year.

It is absolutely about Miami because you wouldn't have made the thread if we were undefeated & guaranteed a top 4 seed.

The playoffs is overloaded as is, 12 teams was too many to begin with, which is why expansion was always a bad idea.

But, given that the can has already been opened, there's 12 slots available & to say that one of those 12 slots shouldn't go to a G5 is the same as saying the ACC shouldn't get 2 teams in the playoffs.

Because of NIL & the Portal, there is not a sizeable gap between G5 & P4 schools, especially not on the fringe.

Teams ranked between 10-15 are not that much better than teams ranked between 15-20. The separation is at the very top 5, but everybody else is pretty much in the same boat as far as talent level & ability to win on any given Saturday.

James Madison, North Texas & Tulane has just as much of a shot to beat any team ranked 10-20, as any P4 team in the same predicament would.

 

[PIPO]

I was ok with Boise State earning a playoff spot last year. They were deserving for sure, but should have been at large bid. I was not ok with them at the #3 spot and having a 1st round bye.

I know the committee changed the format this year, so that and a conference champ such as Arizona State and a G5 rep wouldn't be placed in the top 4 spots.

Is there a G5 rep that deserves a qualifying spot this year? I don't think so. Boise was good enough last year, so it wasn't a problem. Who is your G5 rep this year that's as deserving at Boise was last year?

Correct!

Every 2-3 years you will get a G5 team that is deserving. As I mentioned in my original post: if there is a G5 team that has good players and a good schedule (comprised of some decent P4 teams) and undefeated, then that G5 team has earned the right to get into the playoff.

This year, if for example: USF - they beat Boise State and UiF and say they lost a close game to us and then went undefeated, they deserved to be in the playoff. But that obviously didn’t happen.

Those loses to Memphis and Navy disqualified them or any G5 team from being in this playoff.

 

[Stats02]

Yes - they got blown out last year but both of those teams were pretty good in the regular season playing against the best competition.

Boise State and Jeanty were out there running all over those G5 teams to the tune of 230 yards a game. He plays vs a good team and it took him what, 50 carriers to get 100 yards and get blown out by PSU?

Boise was deserving last year as an at large bid. It's not like they went undefeated during the season either, but they were an excellent team and had a freak at RB. I had no problem with them making the playoffs. I disagree with them having the #3 spot and a bye.

That was an anomaly and not the norm. We aren't going to see that most years where there is a dominant G5 team. Yet, an average G5 team (good for G5, but average for P4) will still make the playoffs.

 

[PIPO]

It is absolutely about Miami because you wouldn't have made the thread if we were undefeated & guaranteed a top 4 seed.

The playoffs is overloaded as is, 12 teams was too many to begin with, which is why expansion was always a bad idea.

But, given that the can has already been opened, there's 12 slots available & to say that one of those 12 slots shouldn't go to a G5 is the same as saying the ACC shouldn't get 2 teams in the playoffs.

Because of NIL & the Portal, there is not a sizeable gap between G5 & P4 schools, especially not on the fringe.

Teams ranked between 10-15 are not that much better than teams ranked between 15-20. The separation is at the very top 5, but everybody else is pretty much in the same boat as far as talent level & ability to win on any given Saturday.

James Madison, North Texas & Tulane has just as much of a shot to beat any team ranked 10-20, as any P4 team in the same predicament would.

I have absolutely always felt this way about it. It was mind blowing to me that G5 gets an automatic spot when this was added to the field of 12.

Yes - you are correct regarding the thread creation but this is the 2nd year in a row (also happens to be the 2nd year of this playoff format) where it’s Miami that finishes as the last team out (although this year it could be Miami, Utah or BYU depending on how the rankings finish out).

This is best format that is available considering how many teams there are and it closely mimics the NFL format. Of course, the more teams is a money grab.

However, for me, the 4 team playoff was also ridiculous. Would you say we go back to that? What would be your proposal?

I would disagree that this year the G5 teams you mentioned have a shot to win vs 10-20. Which is why a play-in game would solve that. They win, then they are in, by earning it.

 

[423Hurricane]

I have absolutely always felt this way about it. It was mind blowing to me that G5 gets an automatic spot when this was added to the field of 12.

Yes - you are correct regarding the thread creation but this is the 2nd year in a row (also happens to be the 2nd year of this playoff format) where it’s Miami that finishes as the last team out (although this year it could be Miami, Utah or BYU depending on how the rankings finish out).

This is best format that is available considering how many teams there are and it closely mimics the NFL format. Of course, the more teams is a money grab.

However, for me, the 4 team playoff was also ridiculous. Would you say we go back to that? What would be your proposal?

I would disagree that this year the G5 teams you mentioned have a shot to win vs 10-20. Which is why a play-in game would solve that. They win, then they are in, by earning it.

Unless a team is a complete outlier, a G5 will never win an NC so it makes no sense to include them in the playoffs.

 

[cway313]

So should we go back to the old format of 4 teams?

We should not pick gripes with the 12th team in, because we aren't good enough to be one of the first 11. The CBB tournament let's in 64 teams and it doesn't diminish the product. The sole reason for this thread is Miami's own failure. Yes, G5 ____ team will likely get beaten and look out of place, so will the other 4 or 5 undeserving teams.

 

[Memnon]

I have absolutely always felt this way about it. It was mind blowing to me that G5 gets an automatic spot when this was added to the field of 12.

Yes - you are correct regarding the thread creation but this is the 2nd year in a row (also happens to be the 2nd year of this playoff format) where it’s Miami that finishes as the last team out (although this year it could be Miami, Utah or BYU depending on how the rankings finish out).

This is best format that is available considering how many teams there are and it closely mimics the NFL format. Of course, the more teams is a money grab.

However, for me, the 4 team playoff was also ridiculous. Would you say we go back to that? What would be your proposal?

I was fine with 4 teams.

I didn't think there was any reason to go beyond 4. There was never a year in the CFB playoff history where anybody could say they got screwed, except for the 2018-19 season when Notre Dame got in over Ohio ST. But otherwise, the CFBP got the best 4 right 98% of the time.

6 is the Sweet spot.

Seeds 1 & 2 get a bye
Seeds 3 vs 6 & 4 vs 5 play.

But now that it's at 12, the whole concept of a playoff (for college football) is ruined.

And the B1G has been pushing a proposal to expand to 16-20 teams, which will all but kill the regular season & jampack the playoffs with a bunch of 3 & 4 loss teams, completely defeating the purpose of the playoffs in the first place.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

I mean, the ACC will also likely get a team undeserving of the playoffs (conference winner). Clemson last year also.

Its the auto bid that sucks. Conference championships dont mesh with this playoff system and should be eliminated.

If not, then I agree eith the idea above. G5 v first out and play it during conference championship week.

 

[PIPO]

We should not pick gripes with the 12th team in, because we aren't good enough to be one of the first 11. The CBB tournament let's in 64 teams and it doesn't diminish the product. The sole reason for this thread is Miami's own failure. Yes, G5 ____ team will likely get beaten and look out of place, so will the other 4 or 5 undeserving teams.

As I mentioned to @Memnon - two years in this format, 2 years in where Miami is the last team out, so I admitted that but it’s also common sense that the top 15 teams are going to be better than the G5 team.

But this year BYU, Utah, Miami, USC, Texas are better than some random G5 team that gets in because they are a G5 team.

So what’s the solution? 4 team, 6 teams or 8 team playoff?

The 12 team offers teams outside the Big and SEC an opportunity at the title.

Otherwise, just do a 4 game playoff where only the conference champs play for the title. I don’t think that is fair either.

 

[PIPO]

I was fine with 4 teams.

I didn't think there was any reason to go beyond 4. There was never a year in the CFB playoff history where anybody could say they got screwed, except for the 2018-19 season when Notre Dame got in over Ohio ST. But otherwise, the CFBP got the best 4 right 98% of the time.

6 is the Sweet spot.

Seeds 1 & 2 get a bye
Seeds 3 vs 6 & 4 vs 5 play.

But now that it's at 12, the whole concept of a playoff (for college football) is ruined.

And the B1G has been pushing a proposal to expand to 16-20 teams, which will all but kill the regular season & jampack the playoffs with a bunch of 3 & 4 loss teams, completely defeating the purpose of the playoffs in the first place.

I like your proposal and definitely agree that adding more teams to the current format would be ridiculously bad.

 

[cway313]

As I mentioned to @Memnon - two years in this format, 2 years in where Miami is the last team out, so I admitted that but it’s also common sense that the top 15 teams are going to be better than the G5 team.

But this year BYU, Utah, Miami, USC, Texas are better than some random G5 team that gets in because they are a G5 team.

So what’s the solution? 4 team, 6 teams or 8 team playoff?

The 12 team offers teams outside the Big and SEC an opportunity at the title.

Otherwise, just do a 4 game playoff where only the conference champs play for the title. I don’t think that is fair either.

They aren’t going backwards. It will be 12, 14, 16. The best solution would have been 6. Instead we have this watered down playoff with people excited to be the last team in and inevitably the first team eliminated. If Miami beat Lousiville, SMU, GT, or Syracuse we wouldn't be focusing on who was undeserving. The ACC is basically a g5 conference. Their are only 5 or 6 teams good enough to be considered champion on any given year. Teams 1-8 have legitimate arguments over who is the best. Teams 8-15 are included for profit.

 

[Canes Legacy]

We have to have a G5 team in, it helps the big bad SEC/Big10 with an easy playoff win to further push the agenda.

 

[Dmorgan15]

G5’s are getting an undeserving spot in the playoff.

So if a G5 team wins is it still undeserving?

 

[Sugarcane521]

It’s a hard fact. College football having some G5 team be part of this playoff and taking an automatic spot is ludicrous.

UCF and Cincinnati had a good run a few years ago but using them as “We must include a G5 team” is the college football equivalent of DEI.

Only a real solid, undefeated G5 team that has a solid resume should only be considered on that merit for the playoff.

P4 teams shouldn’t be losing a spot to a G5 unless they are some kind of special team that EARNS it on the field. Not just award a spot to include them.

Expand playoffs to 16 and eliminate conference championship games. Top 16 get in regardless of conference

 

[Dmorgan15]

Eliminating the opportunity for a team to win a NC because they’re a G5 team is crazy. This is about opportunity.

 

[TOcane]

I have absolutely always felt this way about it. It was mind blowing to me that G5 gets an automatic spot when this was added to the field of 12.

Yes - you are correct regarding the thread creation but this is the 2nd year in a row (also happens to be the 2nd year of this playoff format) where it’s Miami that finishes as the last team out (although this year it could be Miami, Utah or BYU depending on how the rankings finish out).

This is best format that is available considering how many teams there are and it closely mimics the NFL format. Of course, the more teams is a money grab.

However, for me, the 4 team playoff was also ridiculous. Would you say we go back to that? What would be your proposal?

I would disagree that this year the G5 teams you mentioned have a shot to win vs 10-20. Which is why a play-in game would solve that. They win, then they are in, by earning it.

Yea the portal has made G5 teams a farm system for the good P4 teams. The disparity is actually getting bigger.

 

[Damiencane86]

Goofy post. Take care business and everything will work itself out. Blaming G5s for not making the playoffs now?

Our business is within a different stratusphere of the G5. They are the kiddie table amongst adults and they are undeserving of an auto bid.