Fundamental issues

[DiegoCane]

****... give me Charlie Strong! Imagine Miami with him as our head coach...

I don't think he is so special. I also think he will be tested when Bridgewater leaves and they go to the ACC.

He reminds me of Patterson at TCU. Both are defensive guys who were having a lot of success at inferior conferences. Now Patterson goes to the Big 12 and his record over the last 2 seasons is 11-14 (6-12).

Patterson is a very good coach IMO. Its not surprising that TCU isn't going to do well in the Big 12, they are at a pretty big disadvantage recruiting vs Big 12 teams.

 

[razrcane]

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Great take, D.

I disagree with the above, though. Being from the NE has very little to do with his talent evaluator abilities. Butch was a hayseed from the midwest and he is arguably the best in the biz. Saban is a hayseed from WV. etc. Maytbe you weren't talking geographical background but more experience background?

Coaches and players with connections to the state of Arkansas is without peer. Gus Malzahn, Butch Davis, Charlie Strong, Bear Bryant, Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Petrino, Pat Summerall, Tubberville, Monte Kiffin, Danny Ford, Howard Schnellenberger, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, Frank Broyles, Johnny Majors, Joe Gibbs, Norv Turner, and Hayden Fry, to name a few.

We don't need no more damned Yankees for coaches. They're slow, they like slow teams, slow players, and the progress slowly. It's not what they don't know that dooms them to mediocrity.

It's what they know that's wrong.

Might start combing the state of Arkansas.

said it before on here..you want to.bring miami back find a coach from ark

 

[Consigliere]

****... give me Charlie Strong! Imagine Miami with him as our head coach...

I don't think he is so special. I also think he will be tested when Bridgewater leaves and they go to the ACC.

He reminds me of Patterson at TCU. Both are defensive guys who were having a lot of success at inferior conferences. Now Patterson goes to the Big 12 and his record over the last 2 seasons is 11-14 (6-12).

Patterson is a very good coach IMO. Its not surprising that TCU isn't going to do well in the Big 12, they are at a pretty big disadvantage recruiting vs Big 12 teams.

Okay, but it's not like Patterson changed gigs and then moved up a conference. A few years ago, I liked Patterson but now I would hold on him because of the past 2 seasons. Remeber he has been running TCU since 2000. While I expected it to be more challenging, 6-12 in the Big 12 may not cut it. Would it shock you if he had another losing season in the Big 12 again?

 

[RiDLer80]

Its a square peg trying to fit in a round hole on defense.

I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a college HC (smaller level but coached at 2 D1 colleges) about our defense. He hasn't watched us much but said he thinks with the talent we can get to make it simple. He said if you can get a pass rush with 4 guys that is the biggest advantage a college team can have. With those athlete there is no reason not to run an attacking style 4-3.

I know this is down the road but think of this:

DE- Chad Thomas
DT- Moten
DT- Valentine/Jenkins
DE- AQM/Jackson

Why over think that type of talent? Let them crush opposing offenses. I just fear the thought of watching Thomas, AQM, Jackson 10 yards down field and Valentine, Moten , Jenkins engaging OL and not attacking the football.

It doesn't take a college head coach to see this. A ****load of us have been saying for some time now that this defense is not the best for our talent base.

It's obvious that our guys on defense are out there thinking instead of just playing football. How many times on these boards has it been said that these kids have been trained to attack on defense since optimist? We're asking players to totally re-invent how they play the game and we've gotten horrible results.

 

[DutchieFlair]

See this is why bias is such a motha****a. It's mind blowing to watch the machinations and contortions of those wanting Golden to be something that he clearly is not. This is of course easier to do when the person you are trying to turn into what he is NOT looks, and sounds a certain way.

Let's be clear here, Golden is far ahead of Shannon on many levels BUT again as I pointed out previously that should be par for the course for any competent Coach that one would even consider as a candidate for the HC position.

It's far easier to look for competence when it comes in a certain package, such as Coker or Shannon.

IMHO looking at this honestly, I too fell into the "Sounds competent and seems competent" bias basically because the guy was talking a good game. At some point you have to trust your lying eyes. This guy doesn't get it.

I know this will never ever ever happen but hiring a guy who's licking his wounds after a fall from grace such as Bobby Petrino would send a strong message that Miami is serious about winning football games and not about corny *** slogans dressed up as CEO Speak.

Except that Golden sounding competent was actually backed up by Tangible results being building Temple into a winner.
You don't get Temple to 9 wins and a bowl appearance by being incompetent.

Golden needs to 2015 to get to where this program needs to be. That's just the reality of things.

Eh, people thought Shannon was a viable candidate because he was the DC for Coker. When people want to, they'll find some reason to champion incompetents.