FSU testing the waters?

[Rickd]

We should find a way to make the ACC attractive for TV audiences. Bringing in ND is only a half measure. We should find get BYU, WVU, TCU, or Okie St. to join as well.

Also scheduling better ooc games would help.

***** the ACC .... dead conference walking. Make the move to relevance.

 

[Yoyo423]

Yes.

The ACC can't win..if they keep equally distributing revenue then the big brands won't be happy. If they try and go to unequal revenue sharing most of the teams taking a cut could go elsewhere and make more.

Bottom line is the pie in the ACC isn't big enough to make everybody (or anybody) happy anymore. And the pie isn't getting better for another 12 years so nobody wants to wait.

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

Yes.

 

[Brains]

**** fsu

 

[Fluffhead]

If it means us then being able to drop out without the payout then yes.








For full disclosure I live in Pennsylvania. Would be awesome for us to join the Big10.

I’m fine with the big 10, and I mean this next part as non-aggressively as possible, but your opinion is wrong and just stupid. Miami, fsu, whoever deserves every ounce of difficulty for willingly signing up for such a stupid contract and it is definitively not on the taxpayers to bail them out of their bad decisions. Just, no. No no no.

 

[Hold My Beer]

**** fsu

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Louisville, Wake, Duke, and UNC and NCST could be B12 bound...football appeal with Louisville and UNC and major basketball appeal with UNC and Duke. NCST has decent programs in both sports. Wake has a B12-like OFF and would fit in. That's 5 schools.

Miami and Pittsburgh both go B1G. Clemson and FSU go SEC.

That's 9 schools.

UVA, GT, VT, BC and Cuse are now beggers and not choosers...AAC would LOVE to have them and it's also better than going independent. Re-create some old Big East basketball magic with Syracuse-VT-BC returning to Big East/AAC. UVA would add to the basketball schools and GT adds to the academic prestige.

Done deal....

That's assuming the Big 12 would take 5 schools from the ACC which is highly unlikely. Taking 5 would put them at 17 schools which makes no sense.

Don't assume the B1G would want Pittsburg. I could see them courting another West coast school such as Oregon or Washington.

The schools have to add revenue to the conference. Otherwise, they're just adding more schools and each school getting a smaller piece of the pie. The Big 12 isn't going to do that.

Also, current ACC schools that could move to the Big 12 may not have an incentive to move. The Big 12 revenue is behind the ACC. Unless their new deal is better than the ACC's tv contract, there's no reason for ACC schools to upset the apple cart.

So, not a done deal and far from it.

 

[Hold My Beer]

The schools have to add revenue to the conference. Otherwise, they're just adding more schools and each school getting a smaller piece of the pie. The Big 12 isn't going to do that.

I agree. Not a done deal yet, but ...

Included in the Big 12's upcoming media agreement with ESPN is a pro rata clause that bumps up the overall payout and ensures all new invitees from P5 conferences get the same-sized piece of the pie as existing members.

So whatever Baylor and Oklahoma State and Kansas get from ESPN via the Big 12 revenue share model, Pitt and Louisville on down to BC and Wake would receive the same dollars.

 

[Hold My Beer]

Also, current ACC schools that could move to the Big 12 may not have an incentive to move. The Big 12 revenue is behind the ACC. Unless their new deal is better than the ACC's tv contract, there's no reason for ACC schools to upset the apple cart.

The money will likely end up being fairly similar

Would not a stable Big 12 where Kansas might be the only school with a chance to get to the B1G or SEC actually be preferable to an ACC where FSU, Clemson and the Canes are trying like **** to escape?

Hanging around that situation would seem pretty dicey and unsettling for the ACC's have-nots, who might have one chance to leave or else risk ending up in a G5 conference with FIU or somedamnbody

 

[Ispyin]

Josh Pate talked at length about the entire situation in his show tonight. Fast forward to around the 15 minute mark

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[sdaly12]

That's assuming the Big 12 would take 5 schools from the ACC which is highly unlikely. Taking 5 would put them at 17 schools which makes no sense.

Don't assume the B1G would want Pittsburg. I could see them courting another West coast school such as Oregon or Washington.

The schools have to add revenue to the conference. Otherwise, they're just adding more schools and each school getting a smaller piece of the pie. The Big 12 isn't going to do that.

Also, current ACC schools that could move to the Big 12 may not have an incentive to move. The Big 12 revenue is behind the ACC. Unless their new deal is better than the ACC's tv contract, there's no reason for ACC schools to upset the apple cart.

So, not a done deal and far from it.

i see BG1 taking Washington & Oregon, Big 12 scoops up the rest creating another super conference. Big 12 revenue deal just recently signed was impressive( 2.3B$).... Dwarfs ACC TV deal ,which is the worst in Power 5, clearly outside of Clemson, FSU, Miami ,ACC is a dead conference walking from a football perspective. FSU is just setting the battlefield to say good bye!
Radokovich now has to really earn the paycheck......

 

[cway313]

Josh Pate talked at length about the entire situation in his show tonight. Fast forward to around the 15 minute mark

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Synopsis?

 

[Ispyin]

Synopsis?

***** crazy, things gonna go down on all coasts, but even the insiders have no idea how it all plays out. It’s a crap shoot but no chance nothing is happening.

guy is wired. But nothing concrete

 

[Number1CanesFan]

The money will likely end up being fairly similar

Would not a stable Big 12 where Kansas might be the only school with a chance to get to the B1G or SEC actually be preferable to an ACC where FSU, Clemson and the Canes are trying like **** to escape?

Hanging around that situation would seem pretty dicey and unsettling for the ACC's have-nots, who might have one chance to leave or else risk ending up in a G5 conference with FIU or somedamnbody

Kansas? I don't know where you're getting these schools from.

Kansas basketball I get, but the market for the school is small. You need to look at the geography.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

i see BG1 taking Washington & Oregon, Big 12 scoops up the rest creating another super conference. Big 12 revenue deal just recently signed was impressive( 2.3B$).... Dwarfs ACC TV deal ,which is the worst in Power 5, clearly outside of Clemson, FSU, Miami ,ACC is a dead conference walking from a football perspective. FSU is just setting the battlefield to say good bye!
Radokovich now has to really earn the paycheck......

i see that. However, adding more teams from 12 doesn't guarantee a bigger payday. The schools actually have to bring value that would result in an increase. Otherwise, you'll have more schools sharing the same pie.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I’m fine with the big 10, and I mean this next part as non-aggressively as possible, but your opinion is wrong and just stupid. Miami, fsu, whoever deserves every ounce of difficulty for willingly signing up for such a stupid contract and it is definitively not on the taxpayers to bail them out of their bad decisions. Just, no. No no no.

I agree, and there's both a macro and a micro part of this.

On the micro level, I would point out that Beta Blake was GREAT at locking us into long-term contracts that were inflexible for adjusting to the rapidly changing world around us. ****, the one decent thing that Beta Blake did was get a "most favored nations" clause in the adidas contract, which he promptly ignored and did not ask to be enforced.

On the macro level, you have to question what was in the heads of the 15 ADs/Presidents who signed off on this. The ACC GOR is SIIIIIGGGGGNIFICANTLY longer than any other conference's GOR. My friend, you know this from your line of work, when drafting contracts and rights and whatnot, you look to "industry", you look to comparables, you look to what is reasonable in the marketplace. Who buys real estate and then says "you know what, on top of this very fair offer, I'm going to pay an extra million dollars, because I want to set a new record for the highest amount paid for a 1 bedroom efficiency"? For the ACC to go sooooooo far beyond everyone else's GORs was a collectively idiotic move that makes (and made) no sense at all.

And never forget...Beta Blake is STILL 1/15 of the ACC voting membership...

 

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[TheOriginalCane]

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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This is like an iceberg. The "sports reporters" only see the part that is above water. The vast majority of the object is below the surface of the water.

There's a lot going on right now, even if it's not reported on. Only when certain things happen very rapidly will some people realize the groundwork has been building for years.

 

[Empirical Cane]

It’s been a while since I’ve looked at the agreement. Is there a clause that if one team breaks the agreement then it’s re-opened including being able to drop without penalty? If so, Desantis and the legislature should do the right thing and pay for FSU to leave.