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Anyone thinking a school like duke is going to the big 12 is laughable. Their admin wouldn’t. And I’m not even sure with their hoops program they bring enough clout to get the overal deal for that conference negotiated net positive for the other members.

That’s what some of you are missing. If the deal doesn’t go up proportionately for the existing members or at least flat they have no interest. Duke needs to ride shogun with UNC to have a shot with the possible exception of the big 10 where the presidents might be good with adding their academic prestige.

Now do the same exercise for every school outside of Clemson fsu Miami UNC and likely UVA.

It’s not just moving pieces relative to the existing cash. It’s do the schools bring more money to the deal and make it more secure long run.

No matter what you think there is going to be a BIG 2. Then a gap and maybe an inbetween 2 or 3, then an even more diminished g5 level.

Whether that’s this year or slowly by 2030 that’s where this is headed.

FSU and Clemson statements will be followed by Miami and Dan - just watch. It’s not that they think they will get to uneven revenue sharing within the acc -
It’s that they are trying to show “we tried” as part of both public posturing and future legal wrangling. None of them are going to try and force their own exit and the cost behind that if they think in the next 12-36 months the conference could implode for free
 
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You'd think that this could be challenged in court and
Cribby said:
You don’t need the entire conference to leave to dissolve it. There’s enough teams that could find a home elsewhere.
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Exactly. I'm thinking if the football schools (Miami-FSU-Clemson) and then the basketball schools (UNC-Duke) say they are leaving....that should prompt the Louisville to leave as well.

Those 6 alone will make Notre Dame leave as a basketball only school....and all 7 will have NO PROBLEM getting into another conference.

Syracuse-Wake-Ga. Tech-UVA-VT should easily be able to join the AAC if nothing else.
 
CaneThang2020 said:
You'd think that this could be challenged in court and

Exactly. I'm thinking if the football schools (Miami-FSU-Clemson) and then the basketball schools (UNC-Duke) say they are leaving....that should prompt the Louisville to leave as well.

Those 6 alone will make Notre Dame leave as a basketball only school....and all 7 will have NO PROBLEM getting into another conference.

Syracuse-Wake-Ga. Tech-UVA-VT should easily be able to join the AAC if nothing else.
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If only was that easy.

You are basically saying that a bunch of teams should be ok leaving the ACC for the AAC and get paid 50% of what they are getting now.

Good luck with that.

Btw it seems that you would need at least 8 teams, not 7, willing to leave in order to dissolve the conference. Are you sure there are 8 teams with a better landing spot than the ACC? I’m not.
 
Alex Del Piero said:
If only was that easy.

You are basically saying that a bunch of teams should be ok leaving the ACC for the AAC and get paid 50% of what they are getting now.

Good luck with that.

Btw it seems that you would need at least 8 teams, not 7, willing to leave in order to dissolve the conference. Are you sure there are 8 teams with a better landing spot than the ACC? I’m not.
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There aren’t because most of those other teams won’t add equal or greater pieces of the pie to a conference like big 12 in terms of revenue - unless they are willing to take less which they won’t or they would do it now in the acc
 
Ispyin said:
There aren’t because most of those other teams won’t add equal or greater pieces of the pie to a conference like big 12 in terms of revenue - unless they are willing to take less which they won’t or they would do it now in the acc
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Exactly.
 
Hurracanes said:
I know you’re just playing but this has been in the works for a while. I was told it will take time; however, I believe we will hear more news this year. TIFWIW.
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Thanks. Yes. It was too easy to let that one slide from my antics. What you are saying makes sense and is consistent with what others have said over the last year or so.

Personally, I am in no particular hurry on this one, don’t really have a preference per se, but want Miami to have a strong, equitable seat at the table going forward.

I’m of the strong opinion that we will have answers before 2036…
 
wspcane said:
I’m sorry but you think taxpayers should pay for FSU to get out of a deal that it signed off on?
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If it means us then being able to drop out without the payout then yes.








For full disclosure I live in Pennsylvania. Would be awesome for us to join the Big10.
 
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And so are we. I said a long time ago that we would absolutely fit in the big 10 and so would UNC, ND, and Clemson. Idk about FSU because of the high academic standard the Big 10 wants to keep but that should be the move we all make.
 
Alex Del Piero said:
As discussed in the Conference realignment thread the problem is not the exit fee but the GOR with the ACC that runs through 2036.

Basically, the ACC owns the TV rights of every school until 2036.

120 million it’s not even close to the real amount of money that you need in order to leave the conference.
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sadly that is the state of affairs the league finds itself in these days.... soon Washington and Oregon will be leaving for Big 10 IMO.
big 12 scoops up the remainder of PAC 12 schools creating 3rd super conference. football schools in ACC Clemson, FSU and Miami maybe NC need to figure a way out somehow some way an exit from a dead end Bball conference. what ever possessed UM to join a Bball conference anyway ?
John Swofford reign of error is the stuff of legend.... 10 year TV deal? chasing ND and letting them join for all sports except football, mistakenly thinking Irish would ever give up football independence? Grant of rights( all AD's ) must have been asleep at the wheel for this decision
i just hope we get a spot at the table...... hopefully SEC......
 
Caned Peach said:
Thought I read on here somewhere a while back that if a certain (small) amount of teams decided to leave that there was a clause that the rest of teams could leave w/out penalty? Or something like that?
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Would be news to me and if true I can think of at least five teams that would already be gone together, IMO. I think it takes some sort of supermajority. Too lazy to look it up right now.
 
Ispyin said:
Anyone thinking a school like duke is going to the big 12 is laughable. Their admin wouldn’t. And I’m not even sure with their hoops program they bring enough clout to get the overal deal for that conference negotiated net positive for the other members.

That’s what some of you are missing. If the deal doesn’t go up proportionately for the existing members or at least flat they have no interest. Duke needs to ride shogun with UNC to have a shot with the possible exception of the big 10 where the presidents might be good with adding their academic prestige.

Now do the same exercise for every school outside of Clemson fsu Miami UNC and likely UVA.

It’s not just moving pieces relative to the existing cash. It’s do the schools bring more money to the deal and make it more secure long run.

No matter what you think there is going to be a BIG 2. Then a gap and maybe an inbetween 2 or 3, then an even more diminished g5 level.

Whether that’s this year or slowly by 2030 that’s where this is headed.

FSU and Clemson statements will be followed by Miami and Dan - just watch. It’s not that they think they will to uneven with the acc -
It’s that they are trying to show “we tried” as part of both public posturing and future legal wrangling. None of them are going to try and force their own exit and the coat behind that if they think in the next 12-36 months the conference could implode for free
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FSU sent up a trial balloon , earlier comment of setting the battlefield is correct........ let Duke and Wake Forest play football at a lower level and let there Bball teams join big East Bball.......FWIW i see only 60-80 teams in future playing at highest level
4 conferences 8-10 teams in 2 divisions of conference ....... just hope our 20+ years of mediocrity( football) does not come back to kill us
 
Cribby said:
You don’t need the entire conference to leave to dissolve it. There’s enough teams that could find a home elsewhere.
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But it has to at LEAST be a majority, right, if not some sort of super-majority? I can't remember. But four or five teams can't do it, or it would be done. And logically the only teams that would vote to dissolve it are teams that are going to be better off if it's dissolved, and IMO that's clearly a minority. We're chock full of mid.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
If you think about things logically, losing 30M each year to every B1G and SEC team for over a decade is crippling. IF (that is a big IF) an ACC team could join the SEC or the B1G it’s made up revenue could repay exit fees in less than half that time. So, for a school like FSU or Clemson the decision is not to pay $120M. It is to make $150M MORE over the next 10 years.
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CaneThang2020 said:
If enough teams decide to jump ship, shouldn't that force the ACC to dissolve? Then there wouldn't be an ACC GOR deal to buy out...mayYoube I don't understand though.
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You're correct, but that's the problem. There are a minority number of schools that would be in favor of leaving the ACC. The B1G and SEC would likely only take 4 schools. Most of the schools in the ACC would not add value to the SEC or B1G.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
If you think about things logically, losing 30M each year to every B1G and SEC team for over a decade is crippling. IF (that is a big IF) an ACC team could join the SEC or the B1G it’s made up revenue could repay exit fees in less than half that time. So, for a school like FSU or Clemson the decision is not to pay $120M. It is to make $150M MORE over the next 10 years.
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You are incorrect.

You're leaving out the biggest factor that kills your idea that revenue from the B1G or SEC would make it worth while leaving. It's the conference "grant of rights." Any school leaving also gives up their home tv revenue regardless of what conference they go to. So, the money made from the SEC and B1G would go to the ACC conference leaving the schools with nothing except the fees to pay for leaving the conference.

So, it's not financially possible to leave the conference without the conference being dissolved.
www.deseret.com

The ACC’s grant of rights keeps being brought up in conference realignment discussions. Here’s why

The ACC’s grant of rights agreement has become a major talking point when it comes to the future of college football.
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I haven’t read the GOR documents in their entirety, but as someone who has dealt in contracts snd a legal heavy field for 16 years, there are MAJOR issues with the “consideration” component of the agreement


If the ACC was smart, they’d strike a deal with Amazon or Apple and make ESPN come chase them
 
Number1CanesFan said:
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You're correct, but that's the problem. There are a minority number of schools that would be in favor of leaving the ACC. The B1G and SEC would likely only take 4 schools. Most of the schools in the ACC would not add value to the SEC or B1G.
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Louisville, Wake, Duke, and UNC and NCST could be B12 bound...football appeal with Louisville and UNC and major basketball appeal with UNC and Duke. NCST has decent programs in both sports. Wake has a B12-like OFF and would fit in. That's 5 schools.

Miami and Pittsburgh both go B1G. Clemson and FSU go SEC.

That's 9 schools.

UVA, GT, VT, BC and Cuse are now beggers and not choosers...AAC would LOVE to have them and it's also better than going independent. Re-create some old Big East basketball magic with Syracuse-VT-BC returning to Big East/AAC. UVA would add to the basketball schools and GT adds to the academic prestige.

Done deal....
 
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