FSU/Louisville similarities

@JHallCanes Agree with you brother. Though the defense did a great job considering how often they were put on the field after quick offensive possestions and/or TO's. Field position also killed us. The defense would do it's job, but we hardly had great field position I thought. Haven't watched the replay cuz I rather poke my eyes with a bobby pin, but that's my recollection. With the O playing as poorly, that killed us as well. The first INT was a combo of good play by their safety, but did Mali get completely tackled before he had a chance on the ball? Though he wouldn't make the catch, but coulda been a contest INT.
 
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I think Dawson really believes that the WR screen game counts as outside runs. He's mentioned it many times in the pressers. We have been really good in the WR screen game this year. Even if you think this is fair, I don't think it's unreasonable to pitch the ball to a RB a few times each year. The world will continue to spin

Yeah, we went to the well a bit too much against UL like @DMoney mentioned - English 100% baited Dawson & Beck into that 3rd down screen to in the 3rd that failed showing max pressure and dropping two guys to the side the screen went to.
That’s a good point

I think it’s been clear what Mario wants to do with the OL since he got here. Every kid he recruits is literally 6-5 300+

Watching the NFL show today Jeff Saturday played back the Anez Cooper block like 100x

Not sure why we treat this OL as if it can’t pull and be athletic or maybe recency bias is lying to me I dunno
 
Malzahn calls plays for FSU and their was nothing similar. When Si Si drew the penalty, who didn’t know we were going down 14-0? I did! I knew then, we were in big trouble. Their kitchen sink stuff ended with their 2nd drive. Toure should have been benched in this game. LB's were a problem for us. Not playing press man killed us all night. OJ isn't good at press or 50-50. Brohm on repeat, out coached Heathern this season. I am not even going to get into Dawson and this 0. I blame Mario for what has become this O. I would blame Dawson's play calling, but this isn't his O. We got out coached on O, on repeat. Penalties hurt this team worse than the turnovers. All of that is on coaching. Coming out flat is on coaching. Not trusting or playing any rotation anywhere to develop all this talent is on coaching. The 76% A gap running is for dummies, coaching. Everyone knows what we are doing pre snap, coaching. We better be careful with all these HC openings, teams are lining up for Mario. I am well aware of Mario's weaknesses as a coach. I counted on when the talent became deep enough, it would over take his flaws in coaching. He isn't playing playerse to develop them. I am getting tired, real quick of the tow the line, lies about players, lies about why we are doing certain things and lies across the board to deflect guilt. We have a loss, playing time is about to become a problem.
 
Malzahn calls plays for FSU and there was nothing similar. When Si Si drew the penalty, who didn’t know we were going down 14-0? I did! I knew then, we were in big trouble. Their kitchen sink stuff ended with their 2nd drive. Toure should have been benched in this game. LB's were a problem for us. Not playing press man killed us all night. OJ isn't good at press or 50-50. Brohm on repeat, out coached Heathern this season. I am not even going to get into Dawson and this 0. I blame Mario for what has become this O. I would blame Dawson's play calling, but this isn't his O. We got out coached on O, on repeat. Penalties hurt this team worse than the turnovers. All of that is on coaching. Coming out flat is on coaching. Not trusting or playing any rotation anywhere to develop all this talent is on coaching. The 76% A gap running is for dummies, coaching. Everyone knows what we are doing pre snap. We better be careful with all these HC openings, teams are lining up for Mario. I am well aware of Mario's weaknesses as a coach. I counted on when the talent became deep enough, it would over take his flaws in coaching. He isn't playing playerse to develop them. I am getting tired, real quick of the tow the line, lies about players, lies about why we are doing certain things and lies across the board to deflect guilt. We have a loss, playing time is about to become a problem.
Yeah you didn’t read the post at all

But glad to post it so you could plop down on the psychiatrists couch and dump out a bunch of stuff
 
5 picks are a killer. All Beck had to do was keep throwing the check downs. Thats what he was lauded for coming in. Not sure why he thought he had to be super man. They left the check downs alone. It was easy 15 yards even more if you break a 1v1 tackle. And the team has to diversify the run game. All that happened against UL with the offense was there in the 4th v FSU. Posted about it and u had mofos talm bout "why we need another thread about it?". Now they all making the same posts and crying. UF also did the same thing btw. You can run v loaded box is you are not running the same **** play all the time also where is the fkn PA?!!!
 
I think the link between the two teams and both games is the 4th quarter of the FSU game. This is where we lost the Louisville game in my opinion. The players bust *** all week and got their main rival on the precipice of an all time beat down, and instead of rewarding them, the coaches decide to curl up in a ball and call off the dogs. Not only did the fans feel like it was a loss after the game, some of the players did too. It sucked all of the emotion and confidence out of the team. And this rolled into practice and Fridays game. Let these kids punish these teams and stop being Mr. Nice guy. Because if anyone of these ACC coaches have a chance to run it up on us, they will. Burying teams and going full steam for 60 minutes seems to be the forgotten part of the Miami culture. Bring it back MC. Untuck your meat from between your legs and let it swing all over the ACC.
 
I'll never get over the sheer absurdities of their interceptions.

The one Beck threw on 4th down was a panic throw and it was an easy pick. I'll give them that one. But it is 4th down and he's dead to rights from essentially a free rusher after McCoy gets whipped.

But the other 3, especially the first and last, are you kidding me with those catches?? They had a LINEBACKER lay out with his back completely turned to the LOS and make a completely horizontal catch on a ball 50 yards down the field?? What??? (It was PI, too, by the way)

And the last one, again, what? Another backer plucks the ball 3 inches from the grass with his fingertips while alligator death rolling to protect it from the ground? Those were both 1/100 catches. Just absurd they made both those plays.

The one to Marion was good coverage and a bad decision/ball. It wasn't egregious, but if you're going to throw that, it's gotta be more vertical. Marion did have a step on him. But again, what...90% of the time that ball is broken up? No, their corner inhales it with Marion all over him and fighting for the ball.

Sigh. Just one of those nights. Literally anything that could go wrong did.
 
That’s a good point

I think it’s been clear what Mario wants to do with the OL since he got here. Every kid he recruits is literally 6-5 300+

Watching the NFL show today Jeff Saturday played back the Anez Cooper block like 100x

Not sure why we treat this OL as if it can’t pull and be athletic or maybe recency bias is lying to me I dunno
That block was awesome.

I think Mario/Mirabel/Dawson were well aware that we can't run the ball the way we ran it last year before the UL game. I didnt appreciate it watching the game live, but we pulled OL a lot and didn't rely on IZ/duo near as much as, say last year. They're trying different stuff, different formations, moving OL around, etc. It just hasn't worked that well, yet.

We don't really run to Bell's (whom I love as a pass blocker) outside shoulder, unless we pull Anez and/or bring a TE to that side. That's a big downgrade in the run game relative to when Rivers came back last year and was at LT. We could run left side B/C when Bell was at LT and Rivers was at LG too. McCoy has not made a leap this year (probably performing worse than he did last year tbh), and Samson hasn't played well since the USF game. Brockermeyer is a massive downgrade relative to Carpenter in the run game. Coop & CiCi have been fine but I don't think they've been exceptional. One think I don't get is why we don't try pulling CiCi to the left more. Seems like we mostly pull Cooper from the left to right side.

And the TEs. Cannot. Run. Block. At. All. I don't know if you caught it on the replay, but on the second and goal on our first TD drive we were in 12 and had Bauman and Lofton on the left side, ran to that side, and Lofton again tried to block the same guy Bauman was blocking and not one of the 3 unblocked UL guys who were in front of him (why Beck didnt audible out of this play when he saw how UL had overloaded that side I dunno).

Long way of saying there are personnel issues with regards to run blocking on this year's team. I guess where I differ from many here is that I give Mario/Mirabel/Dawson some grace and am optimistic they can figure something out. Mario & Mirabel have produced two top flight rushing attacks ('21 & '24) and their best RBs were CJ Verdell/Travis Dye/Damien Martinez. Nice backs but not Saquon or Bijan. They've generally produced good+ rushing attacks except for their first year or Oregon and at Miami (the COVID year wasnt great at Oregon but they also replaced their entire OL, IIRC). I get the aesthetic complaints about the run game - it looks ridiculous, ugly, and like it was designed by Bam-Bam, but I it's proven to be effective. It hasn't been effective this year, except for parts of the ND game and the USF game.
 
This isn’t rocket science or anything new just an observation and maybe me trying to talk myself back off the ledge a bit (I’m not on the ledge but you get me)

Forced myself to rewatch the Louisville abomination but it stood out to me how razor thin the difference was with these two games at the beginning

FSU empties the clip on their opening drive. Norvell isn’t Brohm but he’s a solid play caller that does well on scripted drives

They march on us but the defense holds and forces 3. A huge win honestly.

We turn around and do nothing on offense but get a decent punt to put FSU at their own 20. We know the rest


Louisville empties the clip on their first drive. Again Miami bends but doesn’t break and forces 3.

I think we were ready for the fake it just looked like we played it poorly. **** if we attack the holder who knows what happens when a holder tries to pitch it to a kicker with pressure on him? Scoop and score is on the table even

Ultimately we give up the TD

Offense does worse than nothing as CiCi makes a very uncharacteristic penalty and almost feels like .5 turnover

We punt and Louisville starts with the ball in our territory

It’s 14-0 instead of 3-0 and 14-7 instead of 7-3 us when we make our first clean drive

From there the defense absolutely shuts the door in both games for an extended period of time while the offense flips the script on FSU but can’t do the same to Louisville

Moral of the story?

I dunno. I know people were ****ed at the defense. It was rusty and you could say flat, but also Brohm threw the house

We were pretty close to weathering that storm as well but 4.5 turnovers is tough to overcome

Unlike last season I expect the defense to keep us in it while the offense figures it out

I don't really have an issue with the defense overall.

It was a bad look for us that both sides were so unprepared for what would be the very obvious play schemes UL had to try on both sides.

The difference is, Heathermen adjusted and made it work, he held them to a manageable point total. We threw 4 (5) INT and UL got no points off those turnovers.

Offense was a different story. The reason we lost was we allowed UL's DEFENSE to play its game. We have 2 or 3 OL will see time on an NFL roster. UL's front in its entirety may have 1. They sold out and crashed the run, and then smothered what was the predictable response from us, which was screen-a-palooza. Beck is Beck, and he was bad, but we did nothing to help the guy. Our formations were terrible for a QB who wasn't seeing the field.

Offensively, you have got to be better prepared than that. It's HS level stuff to adjust-- widen them out and motion their defenders OUT of the box, not into it. You have two backs that can threaten the perimeter, use them there. Then your IZ/Duo crap will open up. Toney scored untouched on a jet sweep, but it was too late.
 
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That block was awesome.

I think Mario/Mirabel/Dawson were well aware that we can't run the ball the way we ran it last year before the UL game. I didnt appreciate it watching the game live, but we pulled OL a lot and didn't rely on IZ/duo near as much as, say last year. They're trying different stuff, different formations, moving OL around, etc. It just hasn't worked that well, yet.

We don't really run to Bell's (whom I love as a pass blocker) outside shoulder, unless we pull Anez and/or bring a TE to that side. That's a big downgrade in the run game relative to when Rivers came back last year and was at LT. We could run left side B/C when Bell was at LT and Rivers was at LG too. McCoy has not made a leap this year (probably performing worse than he did last year tbh), and Samson hasn't played well since the USF game. Brockermeyer is a massive downgrade relative to Carpenter in the run game. Coop & CiCi have been fine but I don't think they've been exceptional. One think I don't get is why we don't try pulling CiCi to the left more. Seems like we mostly pull Cooper from the left to right side.

And the TEs. Cannot. Run. Block. At. All. I don't know if you caught it on the replay, but on the second and goal on our first TD drive we were in 12 and had Bauman and Lofton on the left side, ran to that side, and Lofton again tried to block the same guy Bauman was blocking and not one of the 3 unblocked UL guys who were in front of him (why Beck didnt audible out of this play when he saw how UL had overloaded that side I dunno).

Long way of saying there are personnel issues with regards to run blocking on this year's team. I guess where I differ from many here is that I give Mario/Mirabel/Dawson some grace and am optimistic they can figure something out. Mario & Mirabel have produced two top flight rushing attacks ('21 & '24) and their best RBs were CJ Verdell/Travis Dye/Damien Martinez. Nice backs but not Saquon or Bijan. They've generally produced good+ rushing attacks except for their first year or Oregon and at Miami (the COVID year wasnt great at Oregon but they also replaced their entire OL, IIRC). I get the aesthetic complaints about the run game - it looks ridiculous, ugly, and like it was designed by Bam-Bam, but I it's proven to be effective. It hasn't been effective this year, except for parts of the ND game and the USF game.
Excellent stuff this is why you’re still allowed to post here despite your long list of transgressions

Part of the post originally was just to highlight how close this **** is sometimes to being totally different

There’s a pitchfork mentality to wholesale changes when things go wrong and it very very rarely works. Often it takes you further from the solution

As @OrangeBowlMagic pointed out elsewhere (I said the same it’s why I remember it) we were 15-2 coming into the game. We can argue the details all we want but we aren’t a team that needs to erase the chalkboard

No one, not even OSU is immune this year. Their defense is elite elite but that offense has issues that can be exposed. I shouldn’t say that because people will get wrapped up in one comment but the parity this year is astonishing
 
This game was won and lost on turnovers. Period. The second you could point to is lack of run game which forced the mentality that Beck had to chuck it
We lacked the run game against FSU as well

We can win without running the ball but yeah when a multi million dollar QB does what he did it’s beyond concerning
 
Every player and coach on the field did not do their job well, but ultimately turned it around over the course of the game and did it well enough to win.

Beck was the ONLY one who did not. You can even get over the 4 picks if you throw a single TD.

All time bad performance and flashbacks to 2023 TVD.
 
I’m more upset with the defense because we didn’t take away their best player. I don’t feel like we did enough in that regard. The defense buckled down but they were able to extend drives too often and too often it was a result of finding Bell. Then the tackling was so bad. Giving up first downs on 3rd and long runs? Not good.

All that said, they did keep us in the game while Beck was trying to get us embarrassed
 
Excellent stuff this is why you’re still allowed to post here despite your long list of transgressions

Part of the post originally was just to highlight how close this **** is sometimes to being totally different

There’s a pitchfork mentality to wholesale changes when things go wrong and it very very rarely works. Often it takes you further from the solution

As @OrangeBowlMagic pointed out elsewhere (I said the same it’s why I remember it) we were 15-2 coming into the game. We can argue the details all we want but we aren’t a team that needs to erase the chalkboard

No one, not even OSU is immune this year. Their defense is elite elite but that offense has issues that can be exposed. I shouldn’t say that because people will get wrapped up in one comment but the parity this year is astonishing

I hate when you’re logical. It ***** up the whole balance of the board.

Last year, I was pantsless every week watching that offense. As an offensive connoisseur, it was orgasmic nirvana every week. But as thrilled as I was with the offense, I was equally as disgusted with the defense. VT was gross. Cal was ungodly awful. Louisville, holy **** are you kidding me? So I was optimistic, because I knew we had the legit best offense in America. So that gives you a chance every week. But I assumed at some point we’d have an off night and the defense was so bad, we’d lose. It happened.

I’m not there yet with this offense. I’m frustrated, because it’s worse than I hoped and expected it to be. But it’s not an abomination. Or at least, I’m not saying it is after one really bad game.

We scored 17 in a 2.5 quarters against ND. We prison raped USF. We had 20 in 2.5 quarters against the gator (Marty scored, fight me). We had 28 in three quarters against FSU. We’ve had plenty of moments where I thought this could be a complimentary football team. And we laid an egg against Louisville. But we all knew the defense last year was unfixable and we couldn’t make serious noise with it. I don’t feel the same way about this offense. We have to be better, but I’ve seen it be competent. Against good athletes. Ones better than we’ll see the rest of the way in the ACC.

For those saying the tape is out or we’ll struggle every week here on out or Dawson doesn’t do anything different, I don’t have time for your ****. You don’t know a ******* thing. None of us have a crystal ball. Also, if we don’t change anything and do the same thing every game, Dawson has been here for 2.5 seasons, now the tape is out and we’ll never score 20 points in a game? Again, feminine nonsense. We have work to do. We have to find out a way to get better in the run game, because we’re not as explosive as last year so we can’t live in 3rd and long. Beck isn’t going to pick up long first downs with his legs, and we’re not great at throwing the ball down the field.

But the penalties have to stop. The totally unnecessary ones. You can’t have a 3rd and 2 become a 3rd and 7 because you’re too stupid to learn the snap count. You can’t push someone after a play and make a 3rd and 5 a **** 3rd and 20.

But we’re 15-3 in our last 18 regular season games. How many teams are better than that? Five? Go kick the **** out of Stanford and get this thing going in the right direction again. This isn’t 1997, you’re allowed to have a bad game now. 11-1 Miami is 100000000% in the playoffs. 10-2 Miami might even be, there’s a lot of ball to play yet. But let’s get some swag back on offense and play with some confidence, we’re not ripping the playbook up because we turned the ball over 4 times once.
 
I’m more upset with the defense because we didn’t take away their best player. I don’t feel like we did enough in that regard. The defense buckled down but they were able to extend drives too often and too often it was a result of finding Bell. Then the tackling was so bad. Giving up first downs on 3rd and long runs? Not good.

All that said, they did keep us in the game while Beck was trying to get us embarrassed
Yeah and that’s totally fair. Brohm played Heatherman like a fiddle on that unbalanced DL 3rd down run. It’s something that’s worked for us a lot but it’s on tape and he exploited it. He said I’m not letting Mesidor and Bain beat me so if they stop the run then so be it but it’s a high reward low risk play

Bell is a freak. Not absolving the defense but part of it is just saying ok we will give up a few why it was so important to have that early section of the game turn a little differently
 
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Every player and coach on the field did not do their job well, but ultimately turned it around over the course of the game and did it well enough to win.

Beck was the ONLY one who did not. You can even get over the 4 picks if you throw a single TD.

All time bad performance and flashbacks to 2023 TVD.
You can forgive 3 picks even if he leads a FG drive at the end! Which we were at!! We could have not gaimed another yard and still tie the game
 
We have a top 8-12 defense right now…Problem is the offense is borderline top 25

Unfortunately it's worse than that. If you have a legit Top 10 defense and Top 25 offense, you're probably winning the national championship, or coming really **** close. I'd love to prove over the next 6 weeks that we have a Top 25 offense, because I do think our defense is Top 10, or close. But right now, this offense has not demonstrated it's Top 25 in the country.

We are 40th in offensive points per drive. If you want to say we've played a really tough slate of defenses, I think there's some validity to that. We have. But the fact remains, we're averaging 2.67 points per drive, which is 40th in America.

Last year, and I know this will shock you, we were #1, at 3.83 points per drive.
 
Unfortunately it's worse than that. If you have a legit Top 10 defense and Top 25 offense,

Not really…Multiple recent Bama teams, OSU from last year, etc…Were no worse than top 8-10 in both. There were years when Bama was top 3 3-4 both. The best GA team was top 3-4 in both. There are usually 3-4 teams every year that fit the criteria of top 10 in one and top 25 in the other. That Burrow LSU team obviously did not have a top 15-20 defense, but the #1 offense, but it's usually not an extremely one-sided team like that. . But usually have to be a little better than just top and top 25…And I agree, offense could be a little worse than that when all said and done.
 
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