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FSU looking at Willie Taggart to replace Jimbo

CaneSince4Ever said:
I don't see you saying that Meyer is less of a coach because He had Josh Harris, Alex Smith, & Tim Tebow...why Strong & Taggart?
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You feel so strongly about this yet you can't find a single good example.

Urban Meyer has won with every quarterback he's ever had.

Not the case with Charlie Strong and Willie Taggart.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
*****, please...the same arguments that you're making against Strong & Taggart, are the same arguments that you can make against Saban & Meyer.
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Now you're just lying and ignoring the posts that clearly refute your claims.

Record in first 8 years
Meyer: 83-17-0 (.830%)
Saban: 61-33-1 (.647%)
Taggart: 47-50-0 (.485%)

Outright conference titles in first 8 years
Meyer: 4
Saban: 1
Taggart: 0
 
Omega said:
CaneSince4Ever said:
I don't see you saying that Meyer is less of a coach because He had Josh Harris, Alex Smith, & Tim Tebow...why Strong & Taggart?
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You feel so strongly about this yet you can't find a single good example.

Urban Meyer has won with every quarterback he's ever had.

Not the case with Charlie Strong and Willie Taggart.
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Meyer literally won a national championship with a backup QB.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Urban was the lucky recipient of 3 talented QBs (Harris, Smith, & Tebow)...2 decling programs in UM & FSU when He was at UF...& a loaded roster that Tressel left behind.
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Urban Meyer has an .850% winning percentage.

That "loaded" roster that he inherited from Tressel went 7-6 and lost to Al Golden the year before under Luke Fickell. Meyer started 24-0 with that group.

This is silliness.

You look clownish.
 
Tressel's final team was just young. Braxton Miller was starting as a freshman but the team was stacked when Meyer took it over.
 
Omega said:
The Iceman said:
Meyer always inherited good teams.
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Bowling Green
++BEFORE MEYER++
2000: 2-9
++MEYER ARRIVES++
2001: 8-3
2002: 9-3

Utah
++BEFORE MEYER++
2002: 5-6
++MEYER ARRIVES++
2003: 10-2
2004: 12-0
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Florida and Ohio State were loaded. BGU and Utah were in better shape than WKU

When Taggart took over WKU they were 2-22 in 2 years.

Meyer is a great coach, but he's had the luxury of not having to accept total dumpster fire jobs. Especially his 2 power 5 jobs.

I'm not saying Taggart is on Meyer's level at all because he isn't at this time but many black coaches have to get these dumpster fire jobs. Like Croom at MSU. He tore the whole thing down, laid the new foundation but gets no credit at all there.
 
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The Iceman said:
BGU and Utah were in better shape than WKU.
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You also forgot to mention another thing: BGU and Utah had a better coach.

Great coaches take over dumpster fires and have winning seasons.

Taggart took over a 3-9 South Florida team and went 2-10.
 
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The Iceman said:
I'm not saying Taggart is on Meyer's level at all because he isn't at this time but many black coaches have to get these dumpster fire jobs.
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This is ridiculous.

I love how you claim that 2-9 Bowling Green is not a dumpster fire but 3-9 South Florida somehow is.

Taggart was in the **** Sun Belt and he struggled to get to bowl eligibility. In his second year at WKU he lost to FCS Indiana State by 28 points.

But somehow he's being compared to Urban Meyer and Nick Saban.
 
The Iceman said:
You can be "stacked" and young.
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Give it up, man.

They went 7-6 because of Luke Fickell. Insert a great coach and they won their next 24 games.

Taggart went 2-10 at two different schools and had losing records at both of them but he's comparable to Saban and Meyer.

Please.
 
Omega said:
The Iceman said:
You can be "stacked" and young.
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Give it up, man.

They went 7-6 because of Luke Fickell. Insert a great coach and they won their next 24 games.

Taggart went 2-10 at two different schools and had losing records at both of them but he's comparable to Saban and Meyer.

Please.
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No one is questioning Meyer's coaching ability. I was just saying OSU was loaded (but young) despite going 7-6 under Fickell.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Meyer literally won a national championship with a backup QB.
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3rd string, really.

Meyer wins the first ever college football playoff with a 3rd string quarterback....

....Taggart's record with a quarterback other than Quinton Flowers.

2-10
7-5
7-5
2-10
4-8
7-5
 
The Iceman said:
No one is questioning Meyer's coaching ability. I was just saying OSU was loaded (but young) despite going 7-6 under Fickell.
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But what are you trying to convey here?

Urban Meyer took a 2-9 team and went 8-3. He took a 5-6 team and went 10-2. That's what great coaches do.

They don't go 2-10 twice.
 
Bowling Green is an also-ran...they aren't even in the top 5 of football schools in Ohio. The fact that Urban Myth got them to where they were when he left wasn't something to merely sniff at.

Utah pre-Pac 12 was a dumpster fire until Meyer came along...it was really the foundation that he laid there that actually got them into the Pac 12.

Even the Gators were also-rans under Zook, and as much as it pains me to say it, Meyer turned them into a powerhouse before he suddenly left...of course, UM and FSU being in the proverbial dumpster fire status had some part to play in all of that, too, as UF really filled what was a huge vacuum in the state.

Taggart isn't too bad of a coach, but to crown him among the GOATs as a program builder is a little much. He wasn't too bad at Oregon, but when they lost, they lost in pretty spectacular fashion.

I would say that USF was an easier job than BGU or even Utah, considering their access to local talent around the state...a 3rd tier athlete in Florida is better than a 2nd/even 1st tier athlete in a state like Utah, or the scraps that Bowling Green would have to fight for among all of the other lower-tiered schools in Ohio.
 
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406Cane said:
Bowling Green is an also-ran...they aren't even in the top 5 of football schools in Ohio. The fact that Urban Myth got them to where they were when he left wasn't something to merely sniff at.

Utah pre-Pac 12 was a dumpster fire until Meyer came along...it was really the foundation that he laid there that actually got them into the Pac 12.

Even the Gators were also-rans under Zook, and as much as it pains me to say it, Meyer turned them into a powerhouse before he suddenly left...of course, UM and FSU being in the proverbial dumpster fire status had some part to play in all of that, too, as UF really filled what was a huge vacuum in the state.

Taggart isn't too bad of a coach, but to crown him among the GOATs as a program builder is a little much. He wasn't too bad at Oregon, but when they lost, they lost in pretty spectacular fashion.

I would say that USF was an easier job than BGU or even Utah, considering their access to local talent around the state...a 3rd tier athlete in Florida is better than a 2nd/even 1st tier athlete in a state like Utah, or the scraps that Bowling Green would have to fight for among all of the other lower-tiered schools in Ohio.
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Well Meyer walked into a gold mind at UF. Zook was a circh but was a beast recruiting, that roster was loaded when he showed up, it was just young.

Super loaded.
 
Cribby said:
406Cane said:
Bowling Green is an also-ran...they aren't even in the top 5 of football schools in Ohio. The fact that Urban Myth got them to where they were when he left wasn't something to merely sniff at.

Utah pre-Pac 12 was a dumpster fire until Meyer came along...it was really the foundation that he laid there that actually got them into the Pac 12.

Even the Gators were also-rans under Zook, and as much as it pains me to say it, Meyer turned them into a powerhouse before he suddenly left...of course, UM and FSU being in the proverbial dumpster fire status had some part to play in all of that, too, as UF really filled what was a huge vacuum in the state.

Taggart isn't too bad of a coach, but to crown him among the GOATs as a program builder is a little much. He wasn't too bad at Oregon, but when they lost, they lost in pretty spectacular fashion.

I would say that USF was an easier job than BGU or even Utah, considering their access to local talent around the state...a 3rd tier athlete in Florida is better than a 2nd/even 1st tier athlete in a state like Utah, or the scraps that Bowling Green would have to fight for among all of the other lower-tiered schools in Ohio.
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Well Meyer walked into a gold mind at UF. Zook was a circh but was a beast recruiting, that roster was loaded when he showed up, it was just young.

Super loaded.
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I agree on that. He put together some great classes, he was just a corch...he washed out with Illinois too, and I think he's now corching the Packers' stellar special teams in the NFL. Lots of guys like that...corches, but great recruiters.
 
I would hate them hiring Jeremy Pruitt over taggart tbh. Pruitt is an elite coach
 
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