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Former FSU player shot, caught on camera.

Ash Joshi said:
I work in crime. I’m a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor in Atlanta. Anyone who tells you that violent crime has dropped is lying. I’ve literally seen no change in crime rates in 24 years of practicing law.
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I can cite you study after study proving what I said to be true. You literally make a living off defending criminals...the more the better for you.
 
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Ash Joshi said:
Only to the irrational. Living in a police state, with the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world hasn’t stopped crime.
so maybe, just maybe, when a current approach has failed; lots of violent crime and lots of incompetent cops, maybe we should consider something different.
but not on this forum.
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Yes the approach has failed, but cops dont make laws, they enforce them.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
This is wildly misleading and incorrect. They didn’t dismantle or disband their force, they reformed their union and hire more than double the amount of cops.

Like I’ve said before, if you take away power from public unions you will get results. Camden is living proof. But I guess their improved numbers are just a “right wing talking point.”

www.nationalreview.com

Camden Didn’t ‘Defund the Police’ | National Review

The New Jersey town executed a legal maneuver to depower its police union and bring back safe policing.
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I wrote the exact same thing earlier in the thread...its soooo stupid to use Camden as an example of successful dismantling of a police force. Completely false.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
It actually does matter what you call it. Dismantling something isn’t the same as reforming a certain part of it.

“The University of Miami should dismantle its football program.”

“Well what I actually meant was we should fire Manny.”

You see the difference? Capitol Hill, and wherever these local politicians legislate from, isn’t a message board after a loss. It’s wildly irresponsible for them to make that claim. These orgs meant what they meant and so did the politicians. Parroting their talking points only fuels the fire and doesn’t help anybody.
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But I think any reasonable person could agree that in today's political climate, it wouldn't matter what you call it that the opposition no matter the affiliation would play the verbal gymnastics to try and discredit. I'm trying to zero in on not letting semantics get in the way of something that could bring about real change.
 
CF3 said:
But I think any reasonable person could agree that in today's political climate, it wouldn't matter what you call it that the opposition no matter the affiliation would play the verbal gymnastics to try and discredit. I'm trying to zero in on not letting semantics get in the way of something that could bring about real change.
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This political climate is exactly why you have to direct about what you want. There are legitimate elected officials who are complicit in this (some calling for it too) and support the BLM and Antifa groups who have specifically said they want police gone. City council in Minny are voting to disband the department altogether. There no plans to replace it with any other kind of force, just moving funds to “social programs.”

Im just trying to clarify to you that semantics matter here. They are trying to use an example of something bc it fits their narrative, when it’s nothing like what they want.
 
There is so much ******* bull**** on this board lately. Jfc does anybody come here to talk football anymore?
 
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3rd-43 said:
I’m a bit lost with the shooting someone with automatics while wearing protective masks for covid.
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Well, mask is classic bad man gear going way back, so they could just be traditionalists or maybe believe in selective compliance with rules. Jest aside, prayer for the guy.
 
The Franchise said:
Right wing robots are so brainwashed and indoctrinated that they just puppet stupid political talking points on every subject. They’d rather keep doing everything the way it’s always been even if the way it’s always been isn’t working because their feeble brains are incapable of considering or processing change.
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So what's your grandiose idea of change that every right winger has been scoffing at?
 
CF3 said:
But I think any reasonable person could agree that in today's political climate, it wouldn't matter what you call it that the opposition no matter the affiliation would play the verbal gymnastics to try and discredit. I'm trying to zero in on not letting semantics get in the way of something that could bring about real change.
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Except they did the complete opposite of what you claimed. They added more officers...ALOT more officers.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
This is not the plan of people calling for disbanding cops. There are no plans of rethinking public unions or the force as a whole. They want police gone.
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Listen!!! They don't want the police TOTALLY gone. That's tired rhetoric and insanity. ****, we need the cops in our neighborhoods! But we need cops that are doing their jobs, the right way. They are hedging their bets on trying to do something a little different. It's quite apparent, that the old way (current way of doing things), ain't working. So it's on the local gov't to try to find a better way of policing it's citizens. The article provides a way to get something done. That's all. Stay off of FAUX NEWS, and pay attention to the cries of the people.
 
RVACane said:
Looks like he might know who it is. From the video, it looks like he reacted very quickly when they got out of the car.
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instincts a car stops in the middle of a street. I'm not sticking around to see who it is. I am getting loose. That's what it feels like sometimes growing up in a not so safe neighborhood.
 
Plzwork4 said:
Except they did the complete opposite of what you claimed. They added more officers...ALOT more officers.
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I claimed they changed what was the status quo. I never said they got rid of police altogether. For a few years, even the state police took control of policing Camden.The definition of insanity. Keep throwing money, manpower, military equipment *eye roll*, at crime and not achieving the "desired" effect. At what point does a different approach make sense?
 
KANE said:
Listen!!! They don't want the police TOTALLY gone. That's tired rhetoric and insanity. ****, we need the cops in our neighborhoods! But we need cops that are doing their jobs, the right way. They are hedging their bets on trying to do something a little different. It's quite apparent, that the old way (current way of doing things), ain't working. So it's on the local gov't to try to find a better way of policing it's citizens. The article provides a way to get something done. That's all. Stay off of FAUX NEWS, and pay attention to the cries of the people.
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www.google.com

Minneapolis mayor booed by protesters after refusing to defund and abolish police

While protests on Saturday were mostly peaceful, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey was met with a chorus of boos after telling a group of demonstrators he did not support abolishing the city police department.
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Sounds like the cries of the people are for a “police free future”
 
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