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JOE'CANE said:
-_- you had me with the first sentence then you lost me with the 2nd. I literally just said they dont put you in jail for everything. Especially with all these activists judges using emotions rather than interpreting the law.
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No, the United States has 1/4 of the world’s prison population because we don’t put people in jail. Stop arresting, prosecuting and convicting victim-less criminals and there’d be more than enough resources to handle violent criminals. Why are prisons full of drug users and not rapists?
 
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Ash Joshi said:
I beg to disagree. In Georgia where I practice criminal law,
murder is a mandatory life sentencing with no parole consideration for 30 years.
Rape, Agg Sodomy, Agg Child Molestation is a mandatory 25 years with no parole.
Kidnapping with boldly injury is mandatory life with no parole for 30 years.
Armed Robbery is a mandatory 10 years with no parole.

what has happened in most states due to draconian sentences for violent crimes and static criminal justice budgets is that non-violent offenders are serving 50% of their sentences or less because all the need space is being taken by the violent criminals.

Thats the hard truth whether it fits your narrative or not. And it’s not just in Georgia. So you can na sherry pick a case anywhere but what I am giving you is the actual law as written, not an anecdote.
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Even with those facts, it doesnt change the fact the average nationwide for rape is 4 years.

We can pick here and there and get different results but i guarantee you what you see everyday are charges being reduced so that they dont hit those mandated punishments. Eventhough the elements of the crime fit the higher charge.
 
CF3 said:
Its wild out in North Philly and they have a large police force. Doesn't matter if its over funded, partially funded, or defunded if its ineffective. They dismantled the Camden, NJ police who sucked up overtime in one of the most dangerous cities in America. The replacement was a force that was based on community policing with officers actually walking the "beat" in neighborhoods. The result was a significant drop in crime over the last several years. Defunding doesn't mean let it become the wild west. It already is in places like North Philly
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This is wildly misleading and incorrect. They didn’t dismantle or disband their force, they reformed their union and hire more than double the amount of cops.

Like I’ve said before, if you take away power from public unions you will get results. Camden is living proof. But I guess their improved numbers are just a “right wing talking point.”

www.nationalreview.com

Camden Didn’t ‘Defund the Police’ | National Review

The New Jersey town executed a legal maneuver to depower its police union and bring back safe policing.
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**** I hope he's OK.

Sidenote, has anyone seen worse form with a rifle? I guess at least he didnt tilt it sideways.
 
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DTP said:
No, the United States has 1/4 of the world’s prison population because we don’t put people in jail. Stop arresting, prosecuting and convicting victim-less criminals and there’d be more than enough resources to handle violent criminals. Why are prisons full of drug users and not rapists?
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There aren't less rapists in jail because there are drug users in jail.
 
CF3 said:
Its wild out in North Philly and they have a large police force. Doesn't matter if its over funded, partially funded, or defunded if its ineffective. They dismantled the Camden, NJ police who sucked up overtime in one of the most dangerous cities in America. The replacement was a force that was based on community policing with officers actually walking the "beat" in neighborhoods. The result was a significant drop in crime over the last several years. Defunding doesn't mean let it become the wild west. It already is in places like North Philly
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This!
 
JOE'CANE said:
Even with those facts, it doesnt change the fact the average nationwide for rape is 4 years.
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This just might.

According to the US DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics's November 2018 Bulletin, your "4 year" statistic is incorrect. The median (i.e., the "middle") prison time served for "rape/sexual assault" is 4.2 years. But the mean (i.e., the "average") prison time served for "rape/sexual assault" is 6.2 years.

Additionally, these statistics do not include time spent in jail. So, for instance, when an accused individual awaiting trial is unable to make bail, they will be spending that time locked up in jail (thus making up an additional period of incarceration not included in these statistics, and increasing the total length of incarceration). It was more difficult to find recent statistics from a credible source on this, but according to a 2000 BJS report the average time from arrest to sentencing for all felonies was 219 days (back in 1996). So you should basically include another 7 months of incarceration for anyone who can't make bail.

It's also important to note that criminal statutes vary greatly by state, and these statistics combine "rape/sexual assault" into one category. This is critical, as some states define sexual assault as unwanted sexual contact (e.g., groping, fondling, etc...) short of rape or attempted rape. Certain entertainment "news" outlets that are more interested in sensationalizing the "news" to increase viewership will then report these statistics under the blanket term "rape," when in reality they encompass lesser (albeit, serious) *** crimes.

If you take a moment to review the link below, you'll also note the average prison sentence length for "rape/sexual assault" is 12.2 years. So contrary to your contention that "activists judges" are the reason for what you perceive as a low amount of time spent incarcerated, the facts suggest judges are sentencing these convicted felons to heftier prison time, but they end up serving much less of their sentences (for reasons that are obviously outside the judge's control). Perhaps if privatized prisons and CO unions weren't so intent on keeping non-violent offenders in prison (because they're easier to handle and good for business), there might be more room for these violent offenders to serve more of their sentence.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp16.pdf

https://www.bjs.gov/content/
 
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JOE'CANE said:
This is just talking points. Nearly every large if not all police departments embrace community policing. Community policing would not have stopped this act from occurring. Especially with the culture that has taken hold in urban communities. What would have stopped this is proactive policing. Maybe a pretextual traffic stop, which has been found constitutional by the supreme court.

Proactive policing is the most effective way to deter violent criminals. Community policing is the most effective way to built bridges into the community however one does not work without the other. Today there is NO political will to support proactive policing especially in liberal cities.

These are just facts. Do you think community policing was not implemented in Seattle? And they just lost a precinct and 8 blocks of their city. The problem is that you must have an olive branch but you also need the stick.
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What would you consider proactive? Something like stop and frisk? I grew up with a bunch of kids that became criminals. I was fortunate (and I'm thankful) that I had good parents. So many kids dont have that and it's not as simple as "they need both parents" or "stop being lazy". I grew up with kids that were born with no shot in this life. Kids dont choose when or to whom they are born. Crime is biblical. It's a condition of humanity, but the violence we see not only in the inner city is largely due to the drug trade. The "war" on drugs is largely a joke. There aren't large African American cartels or trafficking organizations. I'm active military and I've never heard of any strategy where your focus is on the pawns at the lowest level. A cargo ship owned by JP Morgan showed up in Philadelphia with a billion dollars of cocaine. I still haven't learned how that investigation ended up. Meanwhile Jamal from North Philly or Jo Jo from the trailer park gets caught with a pocket-full of coke and gets the book thrown at them. What kind of "war" is that?
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
This is wildly misleading and incorrect. They didn’t dismantle or disband their force, they reformed their union and hire more than double the amount of cops.

Like I’ve said before, if you take away power from public unions you will get results. Camden is living proof. But I guess their improved numbers are just a “right wing talking point.”

www.nationalreview.com

Camden Didn’t ‘Defund the Police’ | National Review

The New Jersey town executed a legal maneuver to depower its police union and bring back safe policing.
www.nationalreview.com www.nationalreview.com
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I mean, I'm from Camden. I know exactly what happened. My point was that it doesn't matter what you call it, substantive change CAN produce results
 
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JOE'CANE said:
Even with those facts, it doesnt change the fact the average nationwide for rape is 4 years.

We can pick here and there and get different results but i guarantee you what you see everyday are charges being reduced so that they dont hit those mandated punishments. Eventhough the elements of the crime fit the higher charge.
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When the charge is rediced it isn’t rape any longer. We reduce rape charges when the allegations don’t warrant a rape charge. But that doesn’t change my point at all. A conviction for rape carries a very long, mandatory sentence.

you are using the wrong point to make your argument. The arrest charge or indicted charge is not what you look at for sentence statistics because charges are often inflated for negotiation purposes. Look at the charge of conviction to better understand statistics on sentences.
 
CF3 said:
I mean, I'm from Camden. I know exactly what happened. My point was that it doesn't matter what you call it, substantive change CAN produce results
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It actually does matter what you call it. Dismantling something isn’t the same as reforming a certain part of it.

“The University of Miami should dismantle its football program.”

“Well what I actually meant was we should fire Manny.”

You see the difference? Capitol Hill, and wherever these local politicians legislate from, isn’t a message board after a loss. It’s wildly irresponsible for them to make that claim. These orgs meant what they meant and so did the politicians. Parroting their talking points only fuels the fire and doesn’t help anybody.
 
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