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For those absolving Mario and the staff...

hoops156 said:
Okay it’s all the players never the coach. Got it. I’ll see you next year when the same coaching issues continue
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Never said it was all the players. Gattis F'd up a ton in the first 4 games with his game plan and scheme not matching our kids' skills, especially TVD. Steele lost us the MSTU game, don't even care what happened on O. The blown 74yarder appears to be Kam's to own as it looks like 2 deep and he jumped the shallow route. Injuries haven't helped us at all. Requiring Greentree AA status to get PT is BullCRAP!
 
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90scane said:
maybe I missed it but how many of the “clock management sucks” posters are giving Mario credit? 10 points in 2 minutes in first half. Got ball back with a chance to win/tie with 1:14? you aren’t going to get much better than that IMO. My only complaint, way too many 5 yard passes on the last drive but UNC was playing soft making it tough to get open past the sticks.
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First time in 5 games. Shall we give him a standing ovation ?
 
90scane said:
You want perfect. You aren't going to get perfect. The clock management in that game wasn't the issue. TVD and Rooster turning the ball over, TS2/Kam giving up the TD, and our inability to score points in the red zone cost us that game.
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Funny how you say “you’re not going to get perfect “ with the coaching staff then you immediately point out the handful of mistakes the players made in a game where there are 150 plays. Hypocrisy much?
 
90scane said:
Never said it was all the players. Gattis F'd up a ton in the first 4 games with his game plan and scheme not matching our kids' skills, especially TVD. Steele lost us the MSTU game, don't even care what happened on O. The blown 74yarder appears to be Kam's to own as it looks like 2 deep and he jumped the shallow route. Injuries haven't helped us at all. Requiring Greentree AA status to get PT is BullCRAP!
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So it’s okay for coaches to make clear coaching errors but not okay for players? Who coaches them? Both ****ed up. Yesterday was more positive than anything but I still the same **** I saw the weeks before imo. Both have to be better. I already blamed players for the fumble missed kick and drops. I blame both
 
hoops156 said:
So it’s okay for coaches to make clear coaching errors but not okay for players? Who coaches them? Both ****ed up. Yesterday was more positive than anything but I still the same **** I saw the weeks before imo. Both have to be better. I already blamed players for the fumble missed kick and drops. I blame both
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Steele lost us the MSTU game, don't even care what happened on O. I'm not sure what more I have to say to blame coaches.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Funny how you say “you’re not going to get perfect “ with the coaching staff then you immediately point out the handful of mistakes the players made in a game where there are 150 plays. Hypocrisy much?
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I guess you wanted me to detail every mistake. **** happens! Who is to say that a player didn't cause the coaches to call that TO? Lots of blame can get thrown around. I didn't mention the drop by Mallory, missed FG by kicker... There is tons of blame to go around. What I liked: Gattis adjusted his gameplan to fit TVDs skillset. We gave up 6 points in a half of ball.
 
90scane said:
Steele lost us the MSTU game, don't even care what happened on O. I'm not sure what more I have to say to blame coaches.
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For me that mtsu game was strike 1 just as fiu loss was for manny. Manny had strike 2 by getting shut out by la tech. Strike 3 was unc. Let’s see how it plays out for Mario
 
I don’t have a problem necessarily with year 1 failures. What alarms me is that I don’t really see a specific identity or purpose/style they are working toward. If Miami was trying to implement a spread game, there might still be yr 1 losses but you could at least see what it is they are working toward.

All I hear from Mario is “Toughness, physicality”. Okay….those are nice words, but everyone is “Tough” in the upper echelon of CFB. WHAT are you doing X’s and O’s Wise? What is your purpose scheme wise? That is what matters and will determine success/failure. Everyone in the top 20 is tough, works hard, prepares etc Those are bare minimum standards, not calling cards
 
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5Rings&an Asterisk said:
It is culture. Tell me when was the last time this team didn't play down to its competition. This teams played against MTSU the way it wanted to play against Southern Miss. We really wanted to give the Southern Miss game away, but didn't. I think Mario ripped into them at half time and they woke up. Against MTSU they refused to play like they are capable of and played the game they wanted to play against Southern Miss.
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You gotta stop with this culture nonsense. If you want a winning culture, you have to win games. That's where good coaches play a huge role. Coaches need to find a way to get Ws even if the players are tripping all over themselves. Once the team starts winning games, the players will start to believe that they are capable of winning and they also have faith the staff will put them in a position to win games. The coaching staff builds on that and makes sure the players remember how terrible it feels to lose a game, and then the players start putting in the work on their own so they don't experience that feeling again.

UM just had the posterboy for college football culture as the HC a few years ago. Mark Richt was the program builder, the guy who was supposed to bring a winning culture to UM. He won 9 games his 1st season with a team that was 95% Al Golden players- a group so bad it got the previous HC fired mid-season. In his 2nd season he won 10 games, again with a roster that was around 60-70% Al Golden "loser" recruits. And then in his third season, when the majority of the team was Mark Richt recruits, the team finishes one game over .500 and essentially causes him to resign rather than fire his staff. So these Mark Richt "winning culture" recruits then finish at .500 under Diaz the following year including the loss to FIU and getting blanked by La Tech.

According to fan logic, this should have been impossible because Coach Culture, Mark Richt, recruited and taught these players. Even with a bad coach like Diaz, the roster of winners shouldn't have needed Diaz to coach them to victory, they should have been able to motivate themselves.
 
hoops156 said:
For me that mtsu game was strike 1 just as fiu loss was for manny. Manny had strike 2 by getting shut out by la tech. Strike 3 was unc. Let’s see how it plays out for Mario
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I'm sorry, but one could argue that the MTSU loss could be 3 strikes alone
 
hoops156 said:
For me that mtsu game was strike 1 just as fiu loss was for manny. Manny had strike 2 by getting shut out by la tech. Strike 3 was unc. Let’s see how it plays out for Mario
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Does Mario get a reset if he wins the coastal or wins 10 games one year?
 
BeachCanes said:
It’s hilarious… people keep talking about Manny leaving the cupboard “bare”. We have 40+ 4 stars. You don’t need that much talent to win the ACC let alone beat MTSU and UNC.
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Maybe you should take a look at that UNC roster. UNC is the 3rd most talented team in the ACC and not far from us at all. MTSU was 100% coaching specifically Steele.
 
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VERY few coaches in history have been able to build the type of program Mario talks about building. Only a couple of coaches. Mario did NOT DO IT at Oregon, it fell short of their highest levels. That is what is alarming to me. He did not make Oregon a great program and did not live up to their prior history and achievements. They have had better coaches who have done more.

Next year is going to be an extremely pressure filled year for Mario and his staff. This season is likely a 5-6 loss year.
 
Everyone arguing their points, it's a F***ing madhouse. This loss is pretty simple to analyze. The D though not great did their job, holding UNC to it lowest point total this season under 30 pts, and just 6 in the second half. Yet our impotent offense couldn't score 30 pts in this game for the win, against their 110th ranked D. . Everyone knew even before the game we would need to score at least 30 pts to beat them and we failed to do so. This offense is simply putrid, perhaps one of the worse in our history!!
 
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