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Finally Admit Lanning > Mario

MumbleRap said:
Sometimes you have to take a chance. If you’re an elite recruiter, you’re worth your weight in gold. If (when) Heatherman leaves for HC position, JT will get a promotion because he’s so **** important on the trail and has earned that chance.
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It’s actually a great comparison. This would be a terrible idea in my opinion. Just because he is a great defensive line coach and recruiter, does not make him a good defensive coordinator and I’d rather hire someone with experience in that regard.
 
KingCane20 said:
Yea, the td was scored by UCLA's BACKUP qb. What are you talking about? Did you watch that game before making these bad excuses?
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I don't understand your argument. Did you see the pick that Raiola threw? You want to blame the coaching staff for that?

UCLA scored one touchdown with the backup QB, on a 33-yard drive where the touchdown was a roll out into the flat. He threw for 43 yards in total!

Don't sit here and tell me UCLA won the game with its backup quarterback. They held onto a lead and Oregon bailed them out on their last touchdown with a backup quarterback.

We blaming Mario for all of Carson Beck's gross *** picks last year?
 
MikeyCanez said:
Classic context only works one way argument.

Oregon got bulldozed in the national semifinal, which feels pretty good on balance. Moore also turned the ball over three times in the first half…which sorta goes to my whole point about good QB play huh?

As we all know, Mario would never lose a game to a team that has lost to an inferior opponent…at least not in the last 10 months. And definitely not to a team that was coming off a 12-point performance against Wake Forest.

No idea what Raiola’s high school ranking has to do with anything, but I guess that makes him a “good quarterback” in your mind. Altogether, good point, that has to be Lanning’s fault too.

Worried about my guy TrumpyCane, this had to be one of the most half-assed arguments I’ve heard out of you in awhile.
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“When Lanning was the “better” coach, he had Bo Nix and Dillon Gabriel. Now Mario is the “better coach” and he’s had Ward, Beck and now Mensah.”

That was what you said, Lannings had great QBs every year he’s been there and his teams crash out every year in the same way

Getting absolutely *** blasted and physically taken to the woodshed

Ohio State did it in 2024, Indiana did it to them last year

Trumpycane brought up Raiola because you said they lost because of their backup QB making it seem like Raiola is hot garbage or something

So yes if Mario had a backup qb of Raiola’s level we would beat Wake
 
That was a classic Dan Lanning L. Goes for 2 early and doesn’t make it which leads to having to go for 2 again late and doesn’t make it. Loses by 2.
 
MikeyCanez said:
I don't understand your argument. Did you see the pick that Raiola threw? You want to blame the coaching staff for that?

UCLA scored one touchdown with the backup QB, on a 33-yard drive where the touchdown was a roll out into the flat. He threw for 43 yards in total!

Don't sit here and tell me UCLA won the game with its backup quarterback. They held onto a lead and Oregon bailed them out on their last touchdown with a backup quarterback.

We blaming Mario for all of Carson Beck's gross *** picks last year?
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Im focusing on a specific excuse that you said about Lanning. You brought up Lanning losing because he had his back up qb. That excuse is deemed null and void considering UCLA had the same issue.
 
Oregon has so much more talent than UCLA. Both were on their backup QBs. Oregon should've comfortably won that game, but didn't. Lanning may be decent as a DC, but I don't think he's shown to be a good HC so far. (I say "may" because I can't speak to his tenure in Georgia since I don't know what the divide in work and responsibilities were between Smart, Schumann, and Lanning.)
 
MikeyCanez said:
It’s actually a great comparison. This would be a terrible idea in my opinion. Just because he is a great defensive line coach and recruiter, does not make him a good defensive coordinator and I’d rather hire someone with experience in that regard.
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Love JT, but point taken. I trust Mario if that’s his route. But, hiring and elevating coaches within your system is never a guarantee of success. Look at Clemson and Dabo’s incestous hiring practices. IMO, it’s a contributing factor in their decline. New blood , as Mario has exhibited in his hires is good. Flip side, JT is special and again imo, deserves consideration.🙌🏽
 
TrumpyCane said:
“When Lanning was the “better” coach, he had Bo Nix and Dillon Gabriel. Now Mario is the “better coach” and he’s had Ward, Beck and now Mensah.”

That was what you said, Lannings had great QBs every year he’s been there and his teams crash out every year in the same way

Getting absolutely *** blasted and physically taken to the woodshed

Ohio State did it in 2024, Indiana did it to them last year

Trumpycane brought up Raiola because you said they lost because of their backup QB making it seem like Raiola is hot garbage or something

So yes if Mario had a backup qb of Raiola’s level we would beat Wake
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Based on advanced stats at least, Raiola played the worst game of any college quarterback this season, so I have no idea what level you think Raiola is, but it is pretty close to hot garbage.

- Lanning's '22 team got killed by Georgia and then lost two more games by a total of 6 points
- In '23 they lost two games by a total of 6 points to the eventual national championship runner-up, Washington (and its NFL quarterback)
- In '24 they lost once, to an Ohio State team that was a full on buzzsaw
- Last year they got beat by the eventual national champion, Indiana

We have different definitions of crash out. Are we giving Mario credit for losing by less to the same team? Because that is a flimsy *** argument.

The bias is showing and I had higher hopes for you in this back and forth.
 
KingCane20 said:
Im focusing on a specific excuse that you said about Lanning. You brought up Lanning losing because he had his back up qb. That excuse is deemed null and void considering UCLA had the same issue.
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You don't think the outcome is any different if Dante Moore played?
 
RVACane said:
These dudes are something else. They go on a mope hunt starting the **** looking for mopes to castigate who questioned Mario’s performance in years 1 and 2 and then when you stand up to it and explain the facts of the performance - the record, the decisions, the staff hires - they cry that you’re cherry picking and not bowing because he was way better in years 3 and 4.

No ****.
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This thread was created at the end of year three.

By the time OP stated that Lanning > Mario, we had just seen 5 -> 7 -> 10 wins in consecutive seasons. At the time, I thought OP was an emotional response to the Syracuse choke job, not a valid reading of the two coaches' trajectories.

If this thread was created after the 2023 season, I would have had almost no issue with people cosigning OP's premise. But even with the stumbles in 2024 it was clear then that the program had turned a corner. That's not MariBro homerism or cherry-picking.
 
Fart Keyhole said:
This thread was created at the end of year three.

By the time OP stated that Lanning > Mario, we had just seen 5 -> 7 -> 10 wins in consecutive seasons. At the time, I thought OP was an emotional response to the Syracuse choke job, not a valid reading of the two coaches' trajectories.

If this thread was created after the 2023 season, I would have had almost no issue with people cosigning OP's premise. But even with the stumbles in 2024 it was clear then that the program had turned a corner. That's not MariBro homerism or cherry-picking.
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He hadn’t shown enough at that point. The Beck season was significant as that was two years of results. Good thing we got Cam Ward that year on like the last day or our starter was Poffenberger. We were that close to being a failure as a Poff led team might’ve not gotten to a bowl game.

Anyway, the people I take issue with, they were going after posters for telling the truth in years one and two as well.
 
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