Final defensive rankings

[BigJoeGrizzly]

It really doesn’t matter what we all think I agree Manny isn’t going anywhere. Not until Rick is told by the admin (if that ever happens) to replace him. The only chance would be he takes another job but I don’t see teams beating down his door for his services either.

 

[ShadowSpring]

What are the stats on a per play basis?

Finished 10th 4.6 yards per play given up.

This is where we need to be.

I suspect 3rd down conversions is what killed the D.

 

[QuattroCane]

These threads are comical, but not surprising considering we went 3-10. Some of you need a little perspective.



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[Rellyrell]

How many snaps this defense play?

Ding, Ding, Ding.

 

[JoNJoN]

I like how OP is laughing at the defense. Here are some interesting stats per game (all in conference).

2016 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 21.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs TD against Pitt, the 100 Yard Return) [Actual Points Allowed is 20.875]
Yards Allowed: 397.75
Turnovers: 1.5
Sacks: 2.5
Tackles for Loss: 6.75

2016 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 29.38 (This includes the 14 points the D scored against GT, 2 Fumble TDs) [Actual Points Scored is 27.625]
Yards Gained: 394.13
Turnovers: .63
Sacks: 2
Tackles for Loss: 5.5

2017 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 18.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs onside kick flop against GT) [Actual Points Allowed is 17.875]
Yards Allowed: 368.25
Turnovers: 2.75
Sacks: 3.75
Tackles for Loss: 8.75

2017 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 27.125 (This includes the 7 points the D scored against UVA, Johnson Pick 6) [Actual Points Scored is 26.25]
Yards Gained: 392.625
Turnovers: 1.25
Sacks: 2.375
Tackles for Loss: 5.375


So on one hand you have a defense that improved and allowed less points and yards per game. On the other hand you have an offense that regressed and scored less points and had less yards per game. We won more games this year, I assure you it wasn't because of the offense.

Please note this post doesn't absolve the defense from blame, there is certainly blame to go around. I just don't get the "lol" for the defense.

Hey OP

 

[CaneandAbel]

What are the stats on a per play basis?

Finished 10th 4.6 yards per play given up.

This is where we need to be.

I suspect 3rd down conversions is what killed the D.

Definitely 7 out of the 9 teams ahead of us in yards per play are also in the top 25 in 3rd conversion %.

Penn State and Washington are the other 2 and are 47 and 55.

Us being 75 is way below par. If we were even at Penn state or Washington's level we'd improve alot in 3rd down defense.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Everyone wants time did Scott Frost need time and how much did he need after the O’Leary dumpster? I am quite pleased with the results from the season but someone explain how Frost goes to UCF and goes undefeated while putting it on Auburn as we speak.

I don’t know about you all but next season time is up. Again not so much the record. They played some of the worst football I have seen on the D side it was a Dorito bad..

 

[ncncanes]

Coming into the season we had concerns at corner- that played out - period


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[ChosenOne]

this is a garbage thread as it only lists the things that make the OP's arguement . How about you list tackles for loss or Ints or sacks ect ect. This D played amazing at times and garbage at times but always had big plays in them. That is a sign of a D who is young but promising . But the whole thread is bunk due to the OP selecting just the facts that suit him . I do agree with our talent and experience next season we better be in the top 15 of overall D and I believe we will but lets not act like this D didn't provide amazing moments like the VT and ND games and ND will end the season a top 10 team after they beat LSU today.

UGA and Alabama are one of the worse teams in terms of TFL and Sacks but no one here would pick our defense over theirs. PERIOD.

Our rankings just prove we do nothing well but keep teams out of the endzone and that's cool when your playing Duke or UNC, but that won't happen against great-elite teams as we saw vs Wisconsin if we continue to be mediocre against the run and pass. ***** all those other stats y'all trying to throw in my face. I only care about 5 defensive stats (In order):
- Points per game
- Total yards per game
- Yards given up on the ground per game
- Yards given up through the air per game
- Sacks/Pressures.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Sure the offense was horrible and got 3 and outs regularly but if you are that bad on third down defense shouldn’t Manny’s D take some of the blame here for being on the field too long?

Who is saying the defense is absolved from blame?

A lot of people here think it's the offenses fault the defense plays so many snaps. It has nothing to do with being god awful on third downs

It is both. But people are naive to see how much the offense "screwed" the defense.

I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Manny’s D is predicated on wrecking havoc on the opposing O causing turnovers, sacks and TFLs. However when you play great teams you must also disciplined. Sound D good tackling and making the O work for everything they get. You aren’t going to get multiple turnovers and 5 sacks a game not vs the Bamas and Clemsons of the world.

It was way too easy for teams to move up and down the field at year end. This isn’t Tom Brady who can look off a safety and scan the field for the open receiver. I saw it with Wisky QB knew exactly where to throw the ball before it was snapped. He didn’t have to look off a DB or check down at all..

 

[LuCane]

Who is saying the defense is absolved from blame?

A lot of people here think it's the offenses fault the defense plays so many snaps. It has nothing to do with being god awful on third downs

It is both. But people are naive to see how much the offense "screwed" the defense.

I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

That's because the playoff teams are almost universally all near the top in controlling the ball on offense via the run, 3rd down conversion offense and lower in 3 and outs. We allow a lot of plays per game for more than one reason. Part of it is our own 3rd down defense. Specifically, poor zone. The other part is the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense when it comes to total yards. Dig a little deeper. Again, I'm far from saying Diaz doesn't need significant adjustment. But, the agenda-driven masses have once again skipped over context.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

A lot of people here think it's the offenses fault the defense plays so many snaps. It has nothing to do with being god awful on third downs

It is both. But people are naive to see how much the offense "screwed" the defense.

I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

That's because the playoff teams are almost universally all near the top in controlling the ball on offense via the run, 3rd down conversion offense and lower in 3 and outs. We allow a lot of plays per game for more than one reason. Part of it is our own 3rd down defense. Specifically, poor zone. The other part is the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense when it comes to total yards. Dig a little deeper. Again, I'm far from saying Diaz doesn't need significant adjustment. But, the agenda-driven masses have once again skipped over context.

Who is doing that? People in this thread are discussing a ton of defensive stats.

 

[LuCane]

It is both. But people are naive to see how much the offense "screwed" the defense.

I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

That's because the playoff teams are almost universally all near the top in controlling the ball on offense via the run, 3rd down conversion offense and lower in 3 and outs. We allow a lot of plays per game for more than one reason. Part of it is our own 3rd down defense. Specifically, poor zone. The other part is the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense when it comes to total yards. Dig a little deeper. Again, I'm far from saying Diaz doesn't need significant adjustment. But, the agenda-driven masses have once again skipped over context.

Who is doing that? People in this thread are discussing a ton of defensive stats.

It's literally all over the board. Just click a thread mentioning the defense. You have more than a minority of posters calling the guy D'onofrio or patting themselves on the back saying they called he'd be a failure. And, in this thread, trying to make more of the correlation between total yards and playoff teams, without mentioning the obvious other factors, is questionable at best. Yes, our defense has to get better on 3rd down. Yes, other teams' defenses are aided in total yards defense by their run games and offenses.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

That's because the playoff teams are almost universally all near the top in controlling the ball on offense via the run, 3rd down conversion offense and lower in 3 and outs. We allow a lot of plays per game for more than one reason. Part of it is our own 3rd down defense. Specifically, poor zone. The other part is the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense when it comes to total yards. Dig a little deeper. Again, I'm far from saying Diaz doesn't need significant adjustment. But, the agenda-driven masses have once again skipped over context.

Who is doing that? People in this thread are discussing a ton of defensive stats.

It's literally all over the board. Just click a thread mentioning the defense. You have more than a minority of posters calling the guy D'onofrio or patting themselves on the back saying they called he'd be a failure. And, in this thread, trying to make more of the correlation between total yards and playoff teams, without mentioning the obvious other factors, is questionable at best. Yes, our defense has to get better on 3rd down. Yes, other teams' defenses are aided in total yards defense by their run games and offenses.

Dumb porsters talking about donofrio arent relevant. I see most people discussing a ton of Stats. Our inability to convert third downs hampers us, and maybe doesn’t allow us to get to the top of the YPG stats, but our YPG are still very disappointing. We were 20th in total d last year. We sucked at converting third downs last year too. Our TOP sucked last year as well.

 

[LuCane]

The playoff teams are almost universally near the top in YPG. The national champ is almost always near the top in YPG. Really the only one I cN ever remember with a poor defensive ranking is 2010Auburn. It’s a worthwhile stat because it actually puts our yards per play in context. We give up a ton of third down conversions so we stay on the field and continue giving up 4 yard easy oass plays or 5 yards that give teams way easier conversions than they should have.

That's because the playoff teams are almost universally all near the top in controlling the ball on offense via the run, 3rd down conversion offense and lower in 3 and outs. We allow a lot of plays per game for more than one reason. Part of it is our own 3rd down defense. Specifically, poor zone. The other part is the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense when it comes to total yards. Dig a little deeper. Again, I'm far from saying Diaz doesn't need significant adjustment. But, the agenda-driven masses have once again skipped over context.

Who is doing that? People in this thread are discussing a ton of defensive stats.

It's literally all over the board. Just click a thread mentioning the defense. You have more than a minority of posters calling the guy D'onofrio or patting themselves on the back saying they called he'd be a failure. And, in this thread, trying to make more of the correlation between total yards and playoff teams, without mentioning the obvious other factors, is questionable at best. Yes, our defense has to get better on 3rd down. Yes, other teams' defenses are aided in total yards defense by their run games and offenses.

Dumb porsters talking about donofrio arent relevant. I see most people discussing a ton of Stats. Our inability to convert third downs hampers us, and maybe doesn’t allow us to get to the top of the YPG stats, but our YPG are still very disappointing. We were 20th in total d last year. We sucked at converting third downs last year too. Our TOP sucked last year as well.

If you have a metric with more context already built in, like YPP on defense, why use the one (total yards) with more variables? Neither are perfect, but total yards requires a ton more explanation. I'm not that far away from some of you guys. I'm disappointed. He needs to fix 3rd down playcalling. It's just not as bad as some are laying out.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Is it a talent/depth issue? How many times did we shut the opponent on 1st and 2nd, then someone left a receiver wide open for a 3rd and 8+ conversion?

I swear most opponent's big plays against our D were on 3rd and long.

 

[561Cane]

Ding ding ding! Turnover conversion into points from the O lead Rosier was a flat F!

passing (56th)
rushing (43rd)
Points/G: 29.1 (59th)
3rd Down Conversion Pct Defense (75th)

lol

These are Manny Diaz stats. It’s a high risk high reward style of coaching. His teams have always been ranked highly in TFL, sacks and now did well in turnovers. The major problem was the offense not converting any of the turnovers into points.

 

[Clipse]

Great defenses get off the field on 3rd down. That's what stopped us from being great. And we really need better cornerbacks. I feel like we played much more man last year, and that Manny would prefer to play man. Jackson and Delaney are much better in zone defending down the field. Having them defend man in space doesn't end well.

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[The Franchise]

People expecting coaches to suddenly change the results they've achieved over fairly long careers just because they change jobs are usually disappointed in the end.

Diaz is who he is. He's a feast or famine guy for the most part who creates negative plays and gives up too many easy passes. That's why his TFL and sack numbers are usually very good, but he still gives up way too many yards and points and lets teams keep too many drives alive.

The guys trying to make everything about stats just need to be honest with themselves. Does this defense look great to you? Does it get the results it should get given the NFL talent on the roster? Are you cool with bad QBs setting completion records on us and good QBs looking like HOF QBs?

I'm hoping he gets better because we need him to, and all I want to do is watch UM play great football. I don't care about being right or wrong about Diaz. But our pass D is a sieve. There are way too many guys wide open, and the QB seems to have enough time to find them regularly. It's been dealer's choice for some average/poor passing QBs against us, and that has to get fixed.