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A lot of people here think it's the offenses fault the defense plays so many snaps. It has nothing to do with being god awful on third downs
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A lot of people here think it's the offenses fault the defense plays so many snaps. It has nothing to do with being god awful on third downs
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75th in 3rd down Conversion Defense (40%) is inexcusable (Clemson 28%, UGA 33%, Bama 33%, OU 38%).
129th in 3rd downs faced
120th in plays against (989) contributes to the high yardage per game numbers. Over 200 more plays than some of the other top 20 teams in this category with 13 games played. Bad 3rd down convo rate contributes to the high plays against numbers.
20th in yards per rush at 3.5
17th in yards per attempt at 6.3.
12th in yards per play.
1.6 3rd down conversions per game is the difference between where we are and where the top D's are. Lets get some of those hot-shot cover corners in here and cut that 40% 3rd down conversion rate to around 30% and were good to go.
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brock
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You can point to metrics all you want to but bottom line we made multiple qbs below average look like heisman
Contenders, North Carolina 3rd string qb, Kirk Benkert, Pitt qb, Kelly Bryant starting off 15-15, Hornibrook 23-35 260 4tds. I mean come on...
Contenders, North Carolina 3rd string qb, Kirk Benkert, Pitt qb, Kelly Bryant starting off 15-15, Hornibrook 23-35 260 4tds. I mean come on...
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Bad combination of both.
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It is both. But people are naive to see how much the offense "screwed" the defense.
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We don't run the ball often enough. Plenty of three and outs beginning with an incomplete pass and going from there. Hurry up and run the ball would solve some of our problems. Even when you go three and out you're spending 60-80 seconds instead of 20-30...per three incompletions. More running plays cleanses issues on both sides of the ball.
Defensive improvement has been steady. As long as the per play numbers are fine then the supporting categories eventually take care of themselves. You're not going to have season after season of low to moderate yards per rush allowed and low yards per pass attempt allowed while also being terrible in third down conversion rate. Sorry, the adjusters may crave that type of thing but it doesn't happen, not in any sample other than meaningless outlier fashion.
We need to get the YPA allowed below 6 and keep it there. This season is the first time in many years we remained below 6 for most of the year, which is difficult to do and a great sign in itself. But the personnel never suggested we could finish the season below 6. Nobody should be particularly surprised how the season ended. We needed a favorable bowl draw but received a moderate one.
Once we have elite recruits out there at key positions then there won't be thread after thread debating their actual caliber.
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I'm not sure it's even worth bothering. This fanbase is hilarious. You have people using total yards as a primary defensive metric in the year 2017. Zero context. Or, is it that it fits with the agenda? We finished between 10-12 in yards per play allowed. The biggest problem is 3rd down defense and it needs to be fixed. Immediately. A thread on that is worthwhile. Comparisons to what happened at Texas are laughable.
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If you are at the top in TFL what the **** difference does it make if teams are converting 3rd and 10+?
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Fcking both.
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6.3 YPPA - good, but not good enough. T17th nationally.
3.5 YPRA - again, good, but not good enough. 23rd nationally.
39.55% Opponent 3rd Down Conversion Rate - 75th nationally. Clearly terrible. What makes it worse is Miami allowed 87 conversations, which is 123rd nationally (raw figure).
88% Opponent Red Zone Scoring % - 106th nationally. Clearly terrible.
More of an offensive statistic, but average of 26m30s in Time of Possession, which is 124th nationally. Pretty terrible. The three of the four playoff teams are 30+ (Alabama 29m50s).
3.5 YPRA - again, good, but not good enough. 23rd nationally.
39.55% Opponent 3rd Down Conversion Rate - 75th nationally. Clearly terrible. What makes it worse is Miami allowed 87 conversations, which is 123rd nationally (raw figure).
88% Opponent Red Zone Scoring % - 106th nationally. Clearly terrible.
More of an offensive statistic, but average of 26m30s in Time of Possession, which is 124th nationally. Pretty terrible. The three of the four playoff teams are 30+ (Alabama 29m50s).
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I assume that's a joke right?
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Manny’s scheme tries to have it both ways. He wants the sacks and TFL so he is aggressive on the DL (which I like), but the soft zone coverage to prevent the big play leaves us vulnerable to easy completions in the middle of the field. It’s why we gave up so many 3rd and long completions and why so many mediocre QBs had career days against us.
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Was waiting to see who would get the punchline....
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We have problems with our pass zone defense, some individual weaknesses in our DBackfield and some personnel stubbornness from coaching. Diaz is far from perfect and has adjustments to make.
The 3rd down stats from Saturday:
- Wisconsin started out the game 1-4 on any 3rd down with a distance over medium (6 or longer)
- The INT happened (not that this affects 3rd down defense)
- They finished the first half 3/6 on 3rd down and medium+. If you watch those 2 plays, it reflects the above: some zone vulnerabilities, some DB issues, oh and an egregious non-holding call.
- Wisconsin finished 3/8 on 3rd and medium or longer.
The defense was very over rated. Throw stats out and watch the games. D played well in a few games this year but was not consistent for 4 quarters and couldn't make plays when it really mattered. Undisciplined...lbs in the 2nd year taking the same gap...1 player in the back half who consistently tackles in JJ. D Tackles who did not stuff the run against teams with a pulse outside of Notre Dame. Blitzes were not creative and could be seen from miles away.
Bottom line....watch our front seven then watch Ohio St...Clemson..Auburn..Georgia even NC St. Different level of violence and physicality. No offense was sore after playing us this season. We rarely hit...we grab and pull. Never use the pads and drive thru the ball carrier. Don't know if that's the way Diaz teaches tackling but I have heard pads cracking in every bowl game on D. None of those sounds came from our D who is content with just bring down players holding on to ankles or hugging and hoping for help.
Bottom line....watch our front seven then watch Ohio St...Clemson..Auburn..Georgia even NC St. Different level of violence and physicality. No offense was sore after playing us this season. We rarely hit...we grab and pull. Never use the pads and drive thru the ball carrier. Don't know if that's the way Diaz teaches tackling but I have heard pads cracking in every bowl game on D. None of those sounds came from our D who is content with just bring down players holding on to ankles or hugging and hoping for help.
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One week everyone was worried about that geek at fsu stealing Manny. Now it is time to fire him. I'm unhappy with him because he seems to adjust away from what is working, which happens to be old school Miami style defense. I don't think we can pick the staff or the players apart yet. We got within ONE game of playoffs and ran into a big *** wall. Lot of new studs come in. Next year will tell all.
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yards per play is the stat especially when your QB sucks