Feds slowly chipping away at College Bribery and Fraud.

Drewny1

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Remember Kelley Williams-Bolar? She was was convicted of using the wrong residence to get her daughters into a better school district in Ohio than underperforming Akron. She was sentenced to 3 years & ordered to pay $30,000 to the school district. The governor granted clemency but she did serve some time. For ‘tampering with goverment documents’, I recall.

I wonder what sentence these parental icons will incur?

Disclaimer: comments plagiarized from someone else’s tweet.
Federal Racketeering is Up to 20 years for each count. Also the feds dont have concurrent sentencing
 

TemplarCane

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Federal Racketeering is Up to 20 years for each count. Also the feds dont have concurrent sentencing
We'll see.

Thanks.
 

bobbydigius

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Here’s my two cents on this issue as someone who’s had a couple of wealthy parents ask me directly if I could take their kids ACT, and as someone who’s been in the room for meetings with admissions officers at a top HS.

This “investigation” targets purely upper middle class families who’s kids couldn’t cut it academically to get into the school of daddy’s choice. IE The parents willing to spend 1-500k to get their kids into college. The parents willing to spend 2million+ won’t be touched because as discussed above they’re willing to pay enough to do it legally.

Although I love UM and have my signed Hester jersey from when I was 6 framed in my dorm, at the end of the day after getting cut off at 18 I chose UM for the money. Although I was accepted to UVA, UNC, Emory etc, I’ve been a UM fan since birth and they came through (I pay about 5k/ year for a 70k$ education). Parents at my HS saw this (our ACT scores were posted in the alumni letter) and I got multiple offers to get their kid my score so they could go to HPY with their parents legacy carrying them. Offers typically came in semesters of tuition covered and “rec letters” to ivy’s. “Rec letters” typically meant calling up x booster from their social club (Ivy’s version of frats) and pretty much made you a lock for whatever school it was. Although I never took the offer mostly out of spite for the thought of some rich kid going to HPY on my intelligence, this is a very common thing that many of my friends who needed the money have done, and I’ll tell you it’s a pretty damn easy thing to do. Not many subs who administer the test give a shít who you are and once you take the test enough it’s just a matter of intentionally getting enough answers wrong for it to be believeable (can’t get a kid who got a 26 a 36).

Here’s the part that sucks the most. It’s NEVER going to be a level playing field. UM gave my HS a admissions rep that only covered the top 5-6 S florida private HS (heritage,Andrews, pinecrest, NBP, etc). And laid out for us explicitly what correlative ACT:GPA unlocked what scholarship dollars. We were being given scholarships for meeting the lowest criteria on UM’s published admission stats Bc of the HS we went to, and as the kid who rode his bike to school sitting next to kids driving GT3’s, I was the only one phased by this. Meanwhile, my friend who attended monarch was told if he wanted to go to UM he’d have to be at the top of that band, just to get in with no money. My point is this: you can have all the “crackdowns” and investigations you want, but this won’t change the game in the slightest. If you think the bag game is bad for football, try telling the person on deck for the Supreme Court their kid can’t go to Yale. (No, that’s not a figure of speech)

Disclaimer for the grammar police, I’m sitting on my couch on spring break, if you want 5k words with present participles matching the underlying thematic dimensions of the work, get off an online forum
Great post, except for the saying the upper middle class has 500k to give to get their kid into a school. I know, semantics but still...
 

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At the end of the day, this headline encapsulates the entire fiasco:

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lol at this little nugget:

The toker, who sports a ponytail and raps under the name “Billa,” then shamelessly plugged his music. “Check out my CD, ‘Cheese and Crackers,’ ” he said of his 2018 five-track record that includes a song titled “If I Lost My Money.”
 

954Cane'21

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Great post, except for the saying the upper middle class has 500k to give to get their kid into a school. I know, semantics but still...
Doctors, lawyers, comptrollers etc in S florida pay 20-30k a year for HS, 200$/week for tutoring, then on top of all that pay for private college admissions consultants and all their kids activities. That’s all before we get into donations or college itself. Quarter mil is probably more realistic on average, but a half isn’t much of a stretch.
 

bobbydigius

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Doctors, lawyers, comptrollers etc in S florida pay 20-30k a year for HS, 200$/week for tutoring, then on top of all that pay for private college admissions consultants and all their kids activities. That’s all before we get into donations or college itself. Quarter mil is probably more realistic on average, but a half isn’t much of a stretch.
Once again semantics, maybe you meant middle of the road upper class. Only a small sliver of upper middle class people people touch a quarter million a year let alone have it to give away to get their kid into a school. If you have a half a ticket to just throw around to get your kid into a school, before you even pay for school, you are rich. Now there are levels to being rich, but you are rich. 1% income is what, just below 450k a year this cycle?
 

954Cane'21

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Once again semantics, maybe you meant middle of the road upper class. Only a small sliver of upper middle class people people touch a quarter million a year let alone have it to give away to get their kid into a school. If you have a half a ticket to just throw around to get your kid into a school, before you even pay for school, you are rich. Now there are levels to being rich, but you are rich. 1% income is what, just below 450k a year this cycle?
I agree and get what you’re saying I just wana be clear because I think a lot of people are quick to lump this as the 1%’ers. I’m specifically referencing families with incomes between 200-350k/yr. Which is what I’ve found to be people whose parents had “traditional middle class” family incomes of 75-150k, that are willing to do anything to make sure their kids don’t slide back down to that income level. Parents who went to X law school or Y Med school don’t want billy to be an accountant slugging 60k at pwc, they want him to go Finance at Harvard and walk into wall st at 200. Them shelling out 250-500 is a massive sacrifice, but to them it’s worth it.
 

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Well I don't know about you guys, but I feel safer already! Hey FBI, you may not have noticed this, since women's volleyball and rowing is so glamorous, but there's this thing called "College Football", where the practice field parking lots look like NFL teams reside there. Where recruits post pictures and videos online with stacks of cash and other "swag". Where the players themselves openly reference "bagmen" and other recruiting "perks". So... when do we see Nick Saban frog-marched in handcuffs out of his Alabama office? Just asking.

Btw, when you get tired of college sports, there seem to be a lot of ex-Washington politicians who end up as high paid executives at, or giving $500k a pop speeches to the very same corporations who lobbied them throughout their time in office. I'm sure there's noting nefarious going on (perish the thought!), but maybe you should get yourself a few wiretaps, just to make sure.
 

TemplarCane

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What crimes would us wanna-be District Attorneys want to charge the actors in the Bag Game with? Money laundering? Tax fraud? Okay.

Not being sarcastic. I’m curious what anyone on the board with a legal background thinks.
 

Jack71

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What crimes would us wanna-be District Attorneys want to charge the actors in the Bag Game with? Money laundering? Tax fraud? Okay.

Not being sarcastic. I’m curious what anyone on the board with a legal background thinks.
What did they charge the college basketball coaches with for buying recruits?
 
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Not quite.

There is nothing illegal about a university accepting a student as a legacy, or if the family is a wealthy donor.
Oh boy...if we truly reviewed the types of things that have been "legal" in this country for years and years...

There's "illegal"....and then there's "wrong." Especially when we ended up here to begin with with that hypocritical quote, "there can't be a separate Admissions system for the wealthy."
If we open up our eyes,...there already has been for decades and decades.
 
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One of the convicted gave $400,000 over 8 years ($50,000 per year) to the University, and their child was NOT accepted to the school. That was their motivation to do what they did.

God forbid they just don't use that money for tutors. The kid must have been extremely handicapped mentally
Ignoring better details on this specific case,... this post encapsulates how the system should be.

Give whatever you wish to the institutions all you want...but have no advantage in the admissions process for your relatives.
 

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The operative word is slowly

Feds are far too slow to catch the best college crooks ( Bama etc).

It's like putting your 80 year old arthritic Grandma in charge of watching numerous teenagers in a large three story house.
 

MainLineCane

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Ignoring better details on this specific case,... this post encapsulates how the system should be.

Give whatever you wish to the institutions all you want...but have no advantage in the admissions process for your relatives.
Paying the same tuition as everyone else does NOT entitle you to preferential treatment. You can't come to the door paying the same and expecting anything special

Its advantageous to a degree, for a school to admit celebrities, some prominent legacies or members of prominent families for image and future donations

BUT IF I or anyone else gave millions upfront as a gift to a University .....I would EXPECT certain advantages .....even IF were sponsoring Mr. Ed for admissions.

Most schools , even the Ivy league, have some special provisions, flexibility or leeway to accept students that otherwise do not meet all admission criteria.

Of course, It's up to them whether it's in their interest to provide any advantage......and is dependent, on how impressive my donation actually is in comparison to others ....and just as important, how Mr. Ed's admission may affect their brand.

Of course, then the famous Mr. Ed would have to still pay for tuition and fees as other students and would be on his own regarding grades.

Denying that the rich and famous do not get breaks is just not reality. Whether they should is a different story better left to ethics
 

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WTF? since when does government get to tell private instiutions how to decide who to admit? If fraud was conducted, that’s a different issue. But colleges are free to admit wealthy people, poor people ... whoever.
Might not be so simple. Every university gets federal funds and contracts. They might be subject to rules and requirements imposed by the government as a result.
 

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Paying the same tuition as everyone else does NOT entitle you to preferential treatment. You can't come to the door paying the same and expecting anything special

Its advantageous to a degree, for a school to admit celebrities, some prominent legacies or members of prominent families for image and future donations

BUT IF I or anyone else gave millions upfront as a gift to a University .....I would EXPECT certain advantages .....even IF were sponsoring Mr. Ed for admissions.

Most schools , even the Ivy league, have some special provisions, flexibility or leeway to accept students that otherwise do not meet all admission criteria.

Of course, It's up to them whether it's in their interest to provide any advantage......and is dependent, on how impressive my donation actually is in comparison to others ....and just as important, how Mr. Ed's admission may affect their brand.

Of course, then the famous Mr. Ed would have to still pay for tuition and fees as other students and would be on his own regarding grades.

Denying that the rich and famous do not get breaks is just not reality. Whether they should is a different story better left to ethics
Maybe Mr. Ed went to a state school and paid in-state tuition. He probably had enough in royalties to tide him over. Could live in a stable at the vet school and probably save on room and board. Do you think hay is more expensive than pizza at the student Union? I doubt it.
 

TheMatador

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The real tragedy here is that if they were basketball or football players they would be removed from the school. They wouldn’t be able to continue their education.

I’m betting that none of these kids are kicked out of school.
That one actress' two daughters won't return to USC.
 
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