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SinisterCane said:
lol
You actually compared Mario to head coaches who actually won playoff games and another coach that’s beating him 2 straight
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Who on this list have we lost to?

Ryan Day
Marcus Freeman
Kalen Deboer
Josh Heupel
Lane Kiffin

Kirby
Elko
Lanning
 
Angry Ibis said:
Thread is not about Lane deserving support. If he dropped those games at Miami, he would deserve criticism. Deserves it for those losses.
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Maybe the greater point is there’s only so much a coach can do in today’s college football.

Most games amongst top 40 teams come down to a couple of big plays , mistakes and lucky bounces.

Just look at Beck’s last pick. That DB makes the fingertip grab like that one or two out of 10 times. If the ball just scrapes the dirt, we may not even be having this conversation.

Winning is just hard. Harder than ever.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Show me a coach who doesn't lose a game he shouldn't?

Should Ryan Day have lost to Michigan last year?

And I'm not breaking your balls about this, I get your point and I agree with it. Mine is, every coach loses games. All of them. You're measured on wins and losses, that's literally it. Billy Napier just got fired for losing games. How many of them was he favored in this year? One? USF, I think, correct? So this year, he lost one game he "shouldn't" have. But that's not why he was fired. He was fired because he's losing too many games, period.

Mario has also shown he can win games he "shouldn't". We were a 3 point dog to ND this year, and won the game outright. But again, none of this matters. Did you win or lose? That's all that matters. He's won 15 and lost 3 in the last 2 seasons. We had the best season we've had in 20 years last year, but I think almost all of us will still say that it wasn't good enough, because we allocate resources like a Top 12 team, and we didn't make the Top 12 playoff. Not good enough. This year, we're 5-1 and ranked in the top 10 again.

Mario has had this team ranked in the top 10 for 19 weeks the past 2 years.
From 2006 to 2023, do you know how many weeks Miami was ranked in the Top 10 of the AP poll?

18.

I'll be the first to say last year wasn't good enough. If we don't make the playoffs again this year, I'll be the first to say it again. Nobody is crowning this dude because of what's been done to this point. We all want a lot more success than 10 win seasons with no postseason excitement. But let's also have some perspective here. Who does this place suck off more than Dan Lanning? Didn't he just lose at home to a bunch of 3-stars? Who was favored in that game? Hmm, sounds like he lost one he shouldn't have. Once the CIS jaws are rested after polishing Lanning, who's the next one we fight to fawn over? Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin lost to the ******* Gators last year. He lost, at home, to Kentucky, as a 15.5 point favorite. I've got a couple screws loose, but that sure seems to me like a game he should've won.

We're 5-1, ranked #9, with 6 games left. Let's see how they go before we make definitive conclusions about things, either way.
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Now more than ever in the NIL era, there are no super teams like the UGA and Bamas of the 2010's and teams are losing to teams they shouldn't. Even last year, ND lost to NIU before making it to the natty. I'd be more willing to accept the random losses if we had made the playoffs along the way but as of now, we're still fighting just to get a spot. That's where I think guys like Lanning, Freeman and Day get a bit more grace for losing games they shouldn't. Especially Day now as he has the ring.

I am happy with the Mario era so far despite everything. Having a top tier NIL program, actually winning big games for the first time in almost 2 decades, and bringing some fun back to recruiting is a pleasant change to where we were before Mario.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Maybe the greater point is there’s only so much a coach can do in today’s college football.

Most games amongst top 40 teams come down to a couple of big plays , mistakes and lucky bounces.

Just look at Beck’s last pick. That DB makes the fingertip grab like that one or two out of 10 times. If the ball just scrapes the dirt, we may not even be having this conversation.

Winning is just hard. Harder than ever.
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Nah. I'm a Mario supporter, but this still ain't it. I agree with you it's hard, and I agree that parity has this sport as wide open as it's been in my lifetime. It's good for the sport. But the good ones find a way to get it done. I'll argue that's a 1 in 50 catch, not 1 or 2 out of 10, but it doesn't matter, don't let the game be that close. Don't go down 14-0, don't throw the 3 previous picks, etc. etc.

I will never say it's OK to lose because winning is hard. And yes, winning IS hard. It's unacceptable to lose to Louisville. However, multiple things can be true. It can be unacceptable to lose that game, while also understanding that one team went undefeated in the entire country last year, they didn't win anything, and we still have 6 games to play. If we go 11-1, I'll never think about the Louisville game again.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Nah. I'm a Mario supporter, but this still ain't it. I agree with you it's hard, and I agree that parity has this sport as wide open as it's been in my lifetime. It's good for the sport. But the good ones find a way to get it done. I'll argue that's a 1 in 50 catch, not 1 or 2 out of 10, but it doesn't matter, don't let the game be that close. Don't go down 14-0, don't throw the 3 previous picks, etc. etc.

I will never say it's OK to lose because winning is hard. And yes, winning IS hard. It's unacceptable to lose to Louisville. However, multiple things can be true. It can be unacceptable to lose that game, while also understanding that one team went undefeated in the entire country last year, they didn't win anything, and we still have 6 games to play. If we go 11-1, I'll never think about the Louisville game again.
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What good teams are out there “getting it done” right now?

Cause all I see is the vast majority of teams out there just surviving or taking at least one tough loss every week.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Maybe the greater point is there’s only so much a coach can do in today’s college football.

Most games amongst top 40 teams come down to a couple of big plays , mistakes and lucky bounces.

Just look at Beck’s last pick. That DB makes the fingertip grab like that one or two out of 10 times. If the ball just scrapes the dirt, we may not even be having this conversation.

Winning is just hard. Harder than ever.
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Winning has been hard. We win on lucky bounces and mistakes, too. Some coaches make it easier through schematic advantages. Some make it more difficult through their strategies. Mario makes it easier through talent acquisition for example. We got out coached and played on Friday. It happens. Smart board people have commented on concerns for multiple games/seasons. And here we sit.

We are 5-1. Let's make it 6-1. I'll be there.
 
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That's us and Mario right now
 
kyle_schick said:
Average Miami fans couldn't tell you the names of the players or coordinators or even the result of the games.

They're extremely casual. Not a bad thing, but that will skew any poll.

Mario is a 9-10 per year coach. He has no real football IQ. He's also not ever going to be fired. The boosters/NIL people love him and don't care at all if we never even make the ACCCG.

There's 2 routes.

Mario has a few back-to-back bad seasons and leaves to save face.

Mario continues going 9-4/10-3 and retires from coaching eventually.

As parity increases, coaching acumen will separate the better coaches and Mario's advantages of "good" highschool recruiting will fall.

There also isn't really any development. Either a kid comes in and starts day 1, or eventually "contributes" when the portal additions don't live up to expectations.
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GTFOH
 
k9cane said:
I think there are some fans who are (overly) emotional over the loss on Friday. That's natural. But overall, I think most fan are still supporting Cristobal for the most part

My view is Cristobal gives us the best chance (for whatever defiencies he might have as a coach) to get back to a consistently high level. He has already raised the floor significantly. Maybe Im being overly dramatic in thinking that if it doesn't work with him -- Im not sure it will work with anyone at UM.

He's gotten more support and has the backing of key individuals that help finance this whole thing .

With that said, I love his seriousness as a leader. For too long Miami has been soft and a bit of a clown show. He's an elite recruiter, and this isn't just a job for him - or at least just a stop over. Miami finally has a shot to have their version of Bobby Bowden. Maybe that doesn't matter in this era, but I'm still a fan of long-term stability.

On the flipside, I have concerns over the pace and tempo of the offense, at times. Every season he will lose a game (or two) that boggles your mind. If Im not mistaken, Miami has now lost three games in their last 10 or 11 as a double-digit favorite vs ACC teams

It is what it is.

Mario, as I said before, has greatly raised the floor of this program. For that he must be given credit. Now, the question is -- how high is Miami's ceiling with him?

I personally think Miami has to win out to make the playoffs. Lets see if he can prepare and lead this team to the finish line.
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I am not a Mario Cristobal fan as a head coach. I never have been. I think as an OL/A-HC/Recruiting coordinator, he's elite, but as a HC he has an incredibly outdated philosophy and gigantic blind spots for things which would make winning on gameday a lot easier on him.

Whether or not you support the guy now that he's here, is different. He has unquestionably raised the profile and the floor for the program as it stands today. He's taken seriously as a program builder and the money is flowing in because of that. So, not supporting him as of today is asinine.

As great of a recruiter as he is, it is harder for him at Miami. We still are not viewed as the "offer you got to have," by recruits and their "advisers." His long term success and support will come down to him overcoming those deficiencies and sustaining high level success on the field.

Specifically, his standard cannot be 7, 8, 7, 10 win cycles. That will turn into 5 and 6 win clusterf-cks in a hurry, and he will fail. He needs incredibly large amounts of talent to overcome his deficiencies, and they aren't signing up for anything but making the playoffs at least half the time.

So yes, I support him 100%, and I want to be clear, I never thought, nor would I predict an undefeated season. That is an incredibly out-of-touch with reality baseline for any season, but after beating the teams which most agreed were the biggest threat, losing the way we did to UL is a very bitter pill. We were unprepared, unfocused, all the "un" things you can be, but specifically, it showed no progress from Mario in the areas which are holding him back.

You can't win in college football without spending an absurd amount of money, so spend some more on a seasoned coach who knows his sh*t when it comes to managing a game. There's tons of guys who know what to do with analytics, and can break the game down into segments which would help him immensely in making the right adjustments, gaining an extra possession and calling out your own big picture tendencies your opponents are feasting on.

Right now, it's a total random walk on game day, there is no plan, it's obvious. That's what killed him against UL and a guy like Brohm. Two coaches, two weeks, one had a plan, the other didn't. You need to counter a guy like Brohm before kickoff. 3 years in a row he didn't. Fix that or lose support.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
And why is he a double-digit favorite? Because he brought in the talent for Vegas to think we're 10+ points better.

Did it make you feel better when Manny lost to ACC teams when we were favored by 3? You're judged by wins and losses. Win or GTFO. Nobody here is looking to retire by betting Miami moneylines, I hope.
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With all due respect, the point of having superior talent is to be able to beat inferior opponents with ease. Well, Mario does not do that. Hence why he has 6 Ls as a double digit fave since becoming HC at UM, which is the most in the country during that span.

So what good is bringing in all that talent, if you are just going to lose to inferior teams regularly? He also has 10Ls as a fave since arriving at UM, once again, the most by any HC in FBS during that span. This trend goes back to his days at OU.

Has Mario raised the floor here? Absolutely.

Is the program in a better place from prior to his arrival? Absolutely.

Will Mario ever win anything of real signifigance here? My opinion is that he won't. He routinely loses to inferior teams, due to his lack of being a good gameday HC and having no advantage when it comes to Xs and Os.

If we make it to the playoffs, he will be playing against teams with similar or better talent, 95% of the time, plus going against coaches who likely will all have an advantage, and in some cases a drastic one when it comes to Xs and Os.

If the fanbase is ok with 9-10 wins regularly routinely, with no legit shot at winning it all, Mario is our guy. If we want more, it won't be him.
 
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hoops156 said:
theyre getting lane imo.

mario needs to win big this year bc when UF gets lane and FSU eventually fires Norvell, the state will be much harder to plow through than it was the last few years.
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We’re never playing UF in the regular season again unless we somehow join the SEC and they HAVE to play us. Conference schedules going to 9 games killed that.
 
STG said:
With all due respect, the point of having superior talent is to be able to beat inferior opponents with ease. Well, Mario does not do that. Hence why he has 6 Ls as a double digit fave since becoming HC at UM, which is the most in the country during that span.

So what good is bringing in all that talent, if you are just going to lose to inferior teams regularly? He also has 10Ls as a fave since arriving at UM, once again, the most by any HC in FBS during that span. This trend goes back to his days at OU.

Has Mario raised the floor here? Absolutely.

Is the program in a better place from prior to his arrival? Absolutely.

Will Mario ever win anything of real signifigance here? My opinion is that he won't. He routinely loses to inferior teams, due to his lack of being a good gameday HC and having no advantage when it comes to Xs and Os.

If we make it to the playoffs, he will be playing against teams with similar or better talent, 95% of the time, plus going against coaches who likely will all have an advantage, and in some cases a drastic one when it comes to Xs and Os.

If the fanbase is ok with 9-10 wins regularly routinely, with no legit shot at winning it all, Mario is our guy. If we want more, it won't be him.
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Here is the preseason Top 15, the supposed best of the best.

How many of these Top 15 have “beaten inferior teams with ease” so far this season?

How many of them have a better overall resume, since we regularly lose to inferior opponents?


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