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TheProf said:
Good lord, if you're gonna talk RPO's then know your stuff.

1) RPO's can be run from under center. The Packers were running basic RPO's in the 90's with Brett Favre under center. The backside WR would run a slant on certain run plays. If Favre saw the alignment he wanted then he had the ability to hit the quick slant on the backside. If the alignment wasn';t there then he'd give it to the back.

2) RPO's can have pre or post-snap reads. A pre-snap RPO looks at the number of hats in the box and the leverage the defense has. The QB makes the decision to give the ball or keep it and hit a quick pass based on the alignment here. This is what Favre and the Packers were doing in the 90's.

There are two other variants of RPO's that have post-snap reads. One version has the QB reading a backside backer or safety generally. He reads their movements and if they break on the give motion then he pulls the ball and hits the pass. If the key stays home then the QB gives the ball to the back. The other variant is basically what Auburn and Oregon were doing. It's more or less the triple option, but the pitch is replaced with a short pass, generally a screen or quick hitch. The backside DE is untouched. If he goes with the back then the QB keeps it and makes the decision based off of the defense to keep running it or to hit the quick hitter. If the DE does not bite on the back then generally the QB will give it, but if he does see they have leverage on the screen pass he can hit that, but the vast majority of the time it will be a give if the DE is staying home.
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Strong first post.
 
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duke4heisman said:

I posted this in another thread but a lot of people dismissed it because the competition. Regardless what you want to say about that, it shows those traits in college.
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With all due respect, it's just a highlights video. An exciting one for sure but the video I just attached shows N'Kosi doing the same thing, especially in the FSU, UNC, GT, and VT games (that 3rd & 10 throw to JT4 against FSU still blows my mind, you really can't teach that arm talent). The only difference is that we saw him play for a majority of the season. We need a guy who makes these plays all the time, not just over the course of a handful of snaps against bottom tier teams.

Not saying Martell isn't that guy but to say he's got elite traits at this juncture is a bit of a stretch, for me personally.

Just my two cents.
 
motorcitycane said:
Here’s one thing about Martell.

I don’t care to hear about the competition excuse. The kid had played in real games in big stadiums.

As a college football player this kid has thrown a 82% completion percentage against real competition. Yes it’s only 28 pass attempts.

But we got one QB with real experience that struggled to reach 50% of passed completed against real competition and we had a easy schedule.

Obviously I know that 82% completion isn’t sustainable but I don’t think you go from 82 to 50%.

Tate probably hit 62-67% of his passes and due to his run threat he probably isn’t going to be passing 30+ times per game.

Jarren the jury is still out for.

I have hope for Kosi that he improves but that 50% is still tough to shake. And you don’t see many 49%-50% kids grow into 60-70% completion percentage passers.

Even with the new QB coach I think Kosi would hit 58% of completions if he starts.

I want guys that are accurate and take care of the football. Even if they were a AJ McCarron, Ken Dorsey, or Greg McElroy style game manager we can have a lot of success with the accurate guy who takes care of the football.
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It has a lot to do with the offense urban ran. Haskins was at 70% completion rate. Tebow never completed less than 64% of his passes in a season. Braxton miller is the only qb he had that wasn't over 60% for his career.
 
252cane said:
Once again you are lying. You cant show me one post where i talked negative about him. And i clearly stated in another thread that arm strength isn't the most important thing.

And i have discredited everything ALL THE QBS have done in hs. Hs doesn't matter anymore. There are a ton of highly ranked qbs every year who never pan out.

You have seen me questioning the dudes claiming he is elite at evrything about proof of those skills but i have never came out and just talked shît about the guy. And i would do the same if people were saying the ridiculous shît about perry or williams.
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Lol ok I’m not gonna argue with you and I just don’t care enough to go through the trouble of screen shotting and reposting your ****. It seems we have a different opinion of what a negative post is. I’m not saying you’re saying he’s ugly or talking about his mom. You’ve posted negatively about his arm strength multiple times, just because you turn around and say it’s not the most important thing doesn’t change the fact that you’ve repeatedly questioned it. As well as his accuracy. And it’s not just HS, you downplay his highlights anytime someone breaks out his Osu tape. And I’m sure there’s more because **** near anytime someone says something good about him or predicts him to win the job, you’re comments are sure to follow.

But it’s not that serious to me man, keep doing you. It was a joke and I’m obviously not the only person to notice it but I’m not going to continue to derail this thread about it. Coach Enos will make his decision independent of what you or anyone else on this board thinks anyway.
 
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TheProf said:
Good lord, if you're gonna talk RPO's then know your stuff.

1) RPO's can be run from under center. The Packers were running basic RPO's in the 90's with Brett Favre under center. The backside WR would run a slant on certain run plays. If Favre saw the alignment he wanted then he had the ability to hit the quick slant on the backside. If the alignment wasn';t there then he'd give it to the back.

2) RPO's can have pre or post-snap reads. A pre-snap RPO looks at the number of hats in the box and the leverage the defense has. The QB makes the decision to give the ball or keep it and hit a quick pass based on the alignment here. This is what Favre and the Packers were doing in the 90's.

There are two other variants of RPO's that have post-snap reads. One version has the QB reading a backside backer or safety generally. He reads their movements and if they break on the give motion then he pulls the ball and hits the pass. If the key stays home then the QB gives the ball to the back. The other variant is basically what Auburn and Oregon were doing. It's more or less the triple option, but the pitch is replaced with a short pass, generally a screen or quick hitch. The backside DE is untouched. If he goes with the back then the QB keeps it and makes the decision based off of the defense to keep running it or to hit the quick hitter. If the DE does not bite on the back then generally the QB will give it, but if he does see they have leverage on the screen pass he can hit that, but the vast majority of the time it will be a give if the DE is staying home.
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Strong first post. Guys on here made you so mad you signed up to set it straight. Welcome aboard.
 
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canesthing3 said:
Lol ok I’m not argue with you and I just don’t care enough to go through the trouble of screen shotting and reposting your ****. It seems we have a different opinion of what a negative post is. I’m not saying you’re saying he’s ugly or talking about his mom. You’ve posted negatively about his throwing ability multiple times, just because you turn around and say it’s not the most important thing doesn’t change the fact that you’ve repeatedly questioned it. And it’s not just HS, you downplay his highlights anytime someone breaks out his Osu tape. And I’m sure there’s more because **** near anytime someone says something good about him or predicts him to win job, you’re comments are sure to follow.

But it’s not that serious to me man, keep doing you. It was a joke and I’m obviously not the only person to notice it but I’m not going to continue to derail this thread about it. Coach Enos will make his decision independent of what you or anyone else on this board thinks anyway.
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Like i told the other dude all you want to see is comments about tate. I have made them about all the qbs. Just like i dismissed what somebody was trying to say what jarren did in hs last week.

And yes i have questioned his passing ability because that was the biggest question mark about him at osu and when he transferred.

But since when is discussing a players ability is being negative about him? You have plenty of people calling perry a ****** and questioning his abilities but nothing is said.

Enos will make the decision and like i said in this thread and a million other threads i don't care who the qb is as long as they perform.
 
this all stemmed from one dude making it a high school popularity contest. look, these three weeks arent about what they did in HS or last year (for NP and TM) or even what they did in the spring at this point (since theyre essentially even). its about what they do now till Enos decides in 2 weeks or so. the coaches arent gonna care if they won 15 awards in HS or completed 100 percent of their passes last year or even **** the bed. theyre gonna care about what they do for them in these coming weeks. if guy A doesnt perform up to his potential or talent, thats on him and **** be riding the pine. i think itd be a good idea if we forgot HS existed for these kids and judge off the reports and limited clips we do get.
 
theribdoctor said:
On this point, check what Enos did at Arkansas.
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This is true and I consider that a tremendous credit to Enos.

Also considering the play calling and frequent low percentage passes that Richt called.

I like ENOS but I’m still thinking the Jury’s out on him too! I’ve looked up his total offenses as a OC. His best year was #27 which is solid other years were #57 and #61.

I’d want to see if Enos can transform Miami into a perennial top 15 offensive team.

Im only going off the numbers. I think our staff is pretty green. But can’t wait to see what they can accomplish here.

Manny Diaz resume has produced top 10 defenses at both Texas and Miami. I think those kind of numbers speak volumes for coaches.

So like everything, I’m in wait and see mode with this group of coaches. We have the athletes and schedule in our favor every year though. So I always feel Miami’s a good job to build your resume with.

We will see these guys ability to develop talent on both sides of the ball as the season and years go on.

Im optimistic and hopeful by the results so far though.
 
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Kendall Boy Cane said:


With all due respect, it's just a highlights video. An exciting one for sure but the video I just attached shows N'Kosi doing the same thing, especially in the FSU, UNC, GT, and VT games (that 3rd & 10 throw to JT4 against FSU still blows my mind, you really can't teach that arm talent). The only difference is that we saw him play for a majority of the season. We need a guy who makes these plays all the time, not just over the course of a handful of snaps against bottom tier teams.

Not saying Martell isn't that guy but to say he's got elite traits at this juncture is a bit of a stretch, for me personally.

Just my two cents.
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Kosi has a great arm when he's on but no way he moves like Tate
 
motorcitycane said:
This is true and I consider that a tremendous credit to Enos.

Also considering the play calling and frequent low percentage passes that Richt called.

I like ENOS but I’m still thinking the Jury’s out on him to I’ve looked up his total offenses as a OC. His best year was #27 which is solid other years were #57 and #61.

I’d want to see if Enos can transform Miami into a perennial top 15 offensive team.

Im only going off the numbers. I think our staff is pretty green. But can’t wait to see what they can accomplish here.

Manny Diaz resume has produced top 10 defenses at both Texas and Miami. I think those kind of numbers speak volumes for coaches.

So like everything I’m in wait and see mode with this group of coaches. We have the athletes and schedule in our favor every year though. So I always feel Miami’s a good job to build your resume with.

We will see these guys ability to develop talent on both sides of the ball as the season and years go on.

Im optimistic and hopeful by the results so far though.
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Brandon Allen went from 49% to 56% to 65.9% the last 2 under Enos. I trust him to make the QB better. Whomever that may be.
 
The Franchise said:
This chick Gabby is clearly trying to steer the masses toward her feelings on Jarren.
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Unfortunately bro everybody covering the Canes are spinning like a .38 special trying to push their own agendas with whichever QB they want to win the competition.

You can read from 4 different writers covering Fall camp & it'll be like, "Tate has struggled & he's the best, Jarren throws the best ball & been the most consistent but struggles with consistency, Perry has struggled & been the worst of the 3 & was the best today.."

Lol sh*t is mad annoying. That's why I'm just waiting until the scrimmages to see whoever Enos picks. The coaches are the only ones who are being objective, the writers/reporters are all clearly biased.
 
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