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252cane said:
Show me any negative posts i made about martell. I'll wait. I have a issue with weird *** dudes saying he is elite when he hasn't shown it.
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You’re kidding right? I’m not wasting my time doing that. Just go to your post history, close your eyes and point your finger at the screen. Whatever post you click on will likely be you talking about his arm strength or discrediting any and every thing he’s done in HS and at Osu.

Idgaf who wins the job. From Martell through Proctor and everyone in between. But the people who constantly post negative **** to counteract the positive **** are just as bad as the fanboys IMO.
 
One thing I’ll say is that Kosi isn’t slow. He lacks the killer instinct to pull the ball and go when he does run.

He’s still in pass first mode. But that kid could house a 50 yard TD. He’s not a burner or as dynamic a runner as Tate.... but Kosi has more running ability than a kid like Franks.

We don’t know about Jarren and we haven’t seen him run.
 
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canesthing3 said:
You’re kidding right? I’m not wasting my time doing that. Just go to your post history, close your eyes and point your finger at the screen. Whatever post you click on will likely be you talking about his arm strength or discrediting any and every thing he’s done in HS and at Osu.

Idgaf who wins the job. From Martell through Proctor and everyone in between. But the people who constantly post negative **** to counteract the positive **** are just as bad as the fanboys IMO.
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Once again you are lying. You cant show me one post where i talked negative about him. And i clearly stated in another thread that arm strength isn't the most important thing.

And i have discredited everything ALL THE QBS have done in hs. Hs doesn't matter anymore. There are a ton of highly ranked qbs every year who never pan out.

You have seen me questioning the dudes claiming he is elite at evrything about proof of those skills but i have never came out and just talked shît about the guy. And i would do the same if people were saying the ridiculous shît about perry or williams.
 
D RevLee said:
U straight line it and you'll give the DB an opportunity to break and jump the ball.

I'm confused as to why we've seen no videos of Martell improvising and taking off to run. He's not helping himself.
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maybe he's been told NOT to run but to stand in and make the throws...Receivers aren't getting any action if he's running on every play...They know he can run.They need to make sure he can make the throws and the WR's can catch.
 
mjackson6 said:
RPO is not a post snap read and you don’t read an edge defender. That is a read option... totally different concept.

RPO you make a decision on numbers in the box as to whether you’re gonna pass or throw and usually have a decision of a run play to one side and pass play to that side and then a different run play to the other side and a different pass play to the other side. The concept started with a single high safety, because they’re irrelevant in the run game (makes it 11 vs 10 basically) then you move some guys around and control the numbers to your advantage
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You’re right that the guy the quarterback is reading can be a safety or Linebacker but it is based on post snap movement if he comes up u pull it and make a quick pass if he goes back you hand it off what you’re describing is a basic audible.
 
Canesbro31 said:
You’re right that the guy the quarterback is reading can be a safety or Linebacker but it is based on post snap movement if he comes up u pull it and make a quick pass if he goes back you hand it off what you’re describing is a basic audible.
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I’m not gonna argue anymore. LuCane put it best. They’re so versatile that you can do anything you want with an RPO now. The RPOs that we used in college were presnap, count the men in the box, and know what play you’re running based off a number matchup. Listen to McVay and Andy Reid talk about their RPOs which they run under center.

Ours were always based off of the safety or the mike. The read option was always based off the edge defender.

Looking back I remember that Brad Kaaya always made his decision looking at the edge defender. RPOs are pre and post snap though just depends what you wanna do.
 
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Canefam said:
Being mobile near the goal line is a huge benefit...!
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Here’s one thing about Martell.

I don’t care to hear about the competition excuse. The kid has played in real games in big stadiums.

As a college football player, this kid has thrown a 82% completion percentage against real competition. Yes, I know it’s only 28 pass attempts.

But we got one QB with real experience that struggled to reach 50% of passed completed against real competition and we had a easy schedule.

Obviously I know that 82% completion isn’t sustainable but I don’t think you go from 82 to 50%.

Tate probably hit 62-67% of his passes and due to his run threat he probably isn’t going to be passing 30+ times per game.

Jarren the jury is still out for.

I have hope for Kosi that he improves but that 50% is still tough to shake. And you don’t see many 49%-50% kids grow into 60-70% completion percentage passers.

Even with the new QB coach I think Kosi would hit 58% of completions if he starts.

I want guys that are accurate and take care of the football. Even if they were a AJ McCarron, Ken Dorsey, or Greg McElroy style game manager we can have a lot of success with the accurate guy who takes care of the football.
 
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mjackson6 said:
I’m not gonna argue anymore. LuCane put it best. They’re so versatile that you can do anything you want with an RPO now. The RPOs that we used in college were presnap, count the men in the box, and know what play you’re running based off a number matchup. Listen to McVay and Andy Reid talk about their RPOs which they run under center.

Ours were always based off of the safety or the mike. The read option was always based off the edge defender.

Looking back I remember that Brad Kaaya always made his decision looking at the edge defender. RPOs are pre and post snap though just depends what you wanna do.
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Yes let’s just agree that there are so many different ways to do it but I played QB in a spread offense in high school and it was a post snap read.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
I know what a read option is and what an RPO is, do you? read option about 98 percent of the time has your QB running the ball if he chooses not to hand off. Now people like Malzahn and a few others have made a creative "Triple option" out of the read option by having the QB throw the ball after tucking it to run. Think back to the Iron bowl year when Auburn had the jeremey (i think that was his name) kid playing QB.

An RPO is a post snap read to give the ball or throw the ball. Not a check at the LOS to a run or pass play. I mean the godfather of the RPO is Art Briles right....ever seen an RPO run from under center? In fact i've never seen an RPO or Read option run from under center. I've seen a veer and midline run from under center.
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Dude you got schooled own it and move on. You come off as some weak pathetic snowflake.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
I could care less what kind of mood you're in and why would i take someone who doesn't know much about the game's word for it? Why because it's your hobby? My hobby is fishing that doesn't make me a fishing guide.

Keep thinking a presnap check is the same as an RPO. Keep thinking that a sight adjustment or throwing hot is an RPO. Keep thinking that because two choices are called in a huddle and decided based on alignment and numbers is an RPO.

I may not be totally right here, but you thinking that you are is just laughable....hey counter alert
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Last sentence first. You aren't totally right. Now as far as my credibility is concerned. I've never claimed I was a "guru" or expert. People say nice things. I just nod.

Now with that said over the course of watching film for over a decade, writing a week in review series for this wonderful site, breaking down numerous quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks, throwing with nfl wide receivers in the off seasons (obb episode with Chris chambers) being an avid 7-7 junkie too lol, breaking bread with some nfl qbs when I needed help understanding something, etc.

I'm a student of the game my freind. All I ever care to be. But just a few years farther down the curriculum. you need to hit the playbook more. I'll do the same. 👊
 
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Canesbro31 said:
Yes let’s just agree that there are so many different ways to do it but I played QB in a spread offense in high school and it was a post snap read.
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Im just going off what Randy Sanders installed at ETSU and he got the design and concept from Jimbo Fisher. His entire purpose was so that everyone knew the play and was on the same page before the ball was snapped. Keeping it simple at the FCS level. Once we got a QB that could run it it was lethal.
 
Good lord, if you're gonna talk RPO's then know your stuff.

1) RPO's can be run from under center. The Packers were running basic RPO's in the 90's with Brett Favre under center. The backside WR would run a slant on certain run plays. If Favre saw the alignment he wanted then he had the ability to hit the quick slant on the backside. If the alignment wasn';t there then he'd give it to the back.

2) RPO's can have pre or post-snap reads. A pre-snap RPO looks at the number of hats in the box and the leverage the defense has. The QB makes the decision to give the ball or keep it and hit a quick pass based on the alignment here. This is what Favre and the Packers were doing in the 90's.

There are two other variants of RPO's that have post-snap reads. One version has the QB reading a backside backer or safety generally. He reads their movements and if they break on the give motion then he pulls the ball and hits the pass. If the key stays home then the QB gives the ball to the back. The other variant is basically what Auburn and Oregon were doing. It's more or less the triple option, but the pitch is replaced with a short pass, generally a screen or quick hitch. The backside DE is untouched. If he goes with the back then the QB keeps it and makes the decision based off of the defense to keep running it or to hit the quick hitter. If the DE does not bite on the back then generally the QB will give it, but if he does see they have leverage on the screen pass he can hit that, but the vast majority of the time it will be a give if the DE is staying home.
 
motorcitycane said:
Here’s one thing about Martell.

I don’t care to hear about the competition excuse. The kid had played in real games in big stadiums.

As a college football player this kid has thrown a 82% completion percentage against real competition. Yes it’s only 28 pass attempts.

But we got one QB with real experience that struggled to reach 50% of passed completed against real competition and we had a easy schedule.

Obviously I know that 82% completion isn’t sustainable but I don’t think you go from 82 to 50%.

Tate probably hit 62-67% of his passes and due to his run threat he probably isn’t going to be passing 30+ times per game.

Jarren the jury is still out for.

I have hope for Kosi that he improves but that 50% is still tough to shake. And you don’t see many 49%-50% kids grow into 60-70% completion percentage passers.

Even with the new QB coach I think Kosi would hit 58% of completions if he starts.

I want guys that are accurate and take care of the football. Even if they were a AJ McCarron, Ken Dorsey, or Greg McElroy style game manager we can have a lot of success with the accurate guy who takes care of the football.
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On this point, check what Enos did at Arkansas.
 
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