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[Biscuits]

I'd be very interested to hear one Raymond Bellamy's candid thoughts on this matter.

 

[MadCane]

LOL....Shannon was a complete disaster. Went through about 3 offensive coordinators, quarterback management was pitiful, he couldn't speak the English language, recruiting classes were totally unbalanced, he was the most passive aggressive human being ever towards players and the media. Didn't have to deal with the Shapiro situation, and didn't have to deal with the former coach just flat out quitting recruiting in the final year (like he did).

Aside from those minor details, the OP's comparison is spot on.

Look, Golden is a disaster in many ways. But with dumb hyperbole like the contents of this thread, legitimate points are overshadowed by the idiocy.

 

[The Franchise]

LOL....Shannon was a complete disaster. Went through about 3 offensive coordinators, quarterback management was pitiful, he couldn't speak the English language, recruiting classes were totally unbalanced, he was the most passive aggressive human being ever towards players and the media. Didn't have to deal with the Shapiro situation, and didn't have to deal with the former coach just flat out quitting recruiting in the final year (like he did).

Aside from those minor details, the OP's comparison is spot on.

Look, Golden is a disaster in many ways. But with dumb hyperbole like the contents of this thread, legitimate points are overshadowed by the idiocy.

Did you peck that post out with the tip of your pointy white hat?

 

[TrueCane55]

:stormwarningflag-sm

 

[MadCane]

LOL....Shannon was a complete disaster. Went through about 3 offensive coordinators, quarterback management was pitiful, he couldn't speak the English language, recruiting classes were totally unbalanced, he was the most passive aggressive human being ever towards players and the media. Didn't have to deal with the Shapiro situation, and didn't have to deal with the former coach just flat out quitting recruiting in the final year (like he did).

Aside from those minor details, the OP's comparison is spot on.

Look, Golden is a disaster in many ways. But with dumb hyperbole like the contents of this thread, legitimate points are overshadowed by the idiocy.

Did you peck that post out with the tip of your pointy white hat?

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[FullyERicht]

LOL....Shannon was a complete disaster. Went through about 3 offensive coordinators, quarterback management was pitiful, he couldn't speak the English language, recruiting classes were totally unbalanced, he was the most passive aggressive human being ever towards players and the media. Didn't have to deal with the Shapiro situation, and didn't have to deal with the former coach just flat out quitting recruiting in the final year (like he did).

Aside from those minor details, the OP's comparison is spot on.

Look, Golden is a disaster in many ways. But with dumb hyperbole like the contents of this thread, legitimate points are overshadowed by the idiocy.

So you are saying that the grasping of the english language is why they fired randy? He went through coordinators bc he tried to get better. Al just keeps the same ****bags around.

There is no objective empirical evidence that Al has done any better than Randy. In case you havent noticed, hes pulling up lame recruiting his fourth year as well.

 

[The Franchise]

GoldenShowers, didn't Shannon also get stuck playing a 3rd string true freshmans QB part of the way through his final season when Jacory got injured? That true freshmans QB was a project who wasn't getting any reps in practice and was scheduled to redshirt. No one ever brings that up when they talk about Shannon, yet all they do is make excuses for Folden because he has to play a freshmans QB who is actually better than the senior QB he played last year.

 

[MadCane]

LOL....Shannon was a complete disaster. Went through about 3 offensive coordinators, quarterback management was pitiful, he couldn't speak the English language, recruiting classes were totally unbalanced, he was the most passive aggressive human being ever towards players and the media. Didn't have to deal with the Shapiro situation, and didn't have to deal with the former coach just flat out quitting recruiting in the final year (like he did).

Aside from those minor details, the OP's comparison is spot on.

Look, Golden is a disaster in many ways. But with dumb hyperbole like the contents of this thread, legitimate points are overshadowed by the idiocy.

So you are saying that the grasping of the english language is why they fired randy? He went through coordinators bc he tried to get better. Al just keeps the same ****bags around.

There is no objective empirical evidence that Al has done any better than Randy. In case you havent noticed, hes pulling up lame recruiting his fourth year as well.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said, if someone is into dumb hyperbole.

 

[BucCANEers]

I wasnt around here back in 2010, but Im sure there were a lot Randy supporters just like there are alot of ppl that have turned on Golden and used memes to insult his intelligence. I dont know if "Congratulations, the most diverse fanbase in the country is secretly racist" was a joke but if it wasnt I think that was one of the most idiotic post ever made.

 

[BucCANEers]

Why are you trying to make this about race? and how you say we've responded to this Loss is just plain not true.

It seems the only difference in the two, is the color of the coach.

The black one got fired for coaching like this.

There is no other difference.

One reason he could be kept is because of recruiting. Golden has some great recruits commited to 2016 and '17. Wasnt Shannon's last year, he had like 8 commits.

 

[MadCane]

Many of us want Golden replaced. But the idea that people are now minimizing the disaster of Randy Shannon is just plain dumb.

I bet many of the same people were pushing for Shannon to be fired for years, but now romanticize his tenure to make some dumb "racist" point. He was a disaster. So is Golden. Racism has nothing to do with it. Golden appears to be getting more time because he followed a disaster, and also dealt with the Shapiro situation. That's all.

We'll see how long this grace period lasts.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Many of us want Golden replaced. But the idea that people are now minimizing the disaster of Randy Shannon is just plain dumb.

I bet many of the same people were pushing for Shannon to be fired for years, but now romanticize his tenure to make some dumb "racist" point. He was a disaster. So is Golden. Racism has nothing to do with it. Golden appears to be getting more time because he followed a disaster, and also dealt with the Shapiro situation. That's all.

We'll see how long this grace period lasts.

I guess the glare from the burning cross on your lawn is making it tough for you to read, but nobody is saying Shannon was not a disaster. Nobody is romanticizing his tenure.

I am pointing out a cold hard fact: both coaches were in identical situations in their third and fourth seasons. They are interchangeable. The only difference is the fan reaction. Both deserve(d) to be fired.

However, to see the absolute night and day treatment each received despite identical performances is sad and racist.


With Shannon, 99% of the fan base were lighting torches, now, they're lighting cigars.

 

[BucCANEers]

I can only compare their records up to this exact point, Beef Stew, as I do not have a crystal ball. Saying "he finished 7-6" is irrelevant for this conversation.

I can also only compare their performances through 10 games, and the reactions of the fan base to those performances. These are all facts. If it makes you uncomfortable, sometimes that's what happens when a mirror is held up.



As far as trends, I only can tell you this..

Average margin of defeat through 10 games in Shannon's 4th season: 14 points
Average margin of defeat through 10 games in Golden's 4th season: 11 points

Average margin of victory through those 10 games for Shannon: 20 points
Average margin of victory through those 10 games for Golden: 22 points



The similarities are startling. Well, except for the fans' reaction.

In 2010 they were constructing a noose, in 2014 they're building a statute.

Who the **** is building a dam statue!? I swear, you want the guy fired, ask for the real god **** reasons at hand. Not making up the complete BS about racism. It's absolutely ridiculous and just plain annoying. What you're doing is the reason there still is real racism. You're making it about race, and then when people defend them from your ridiculous accusations it just keeps the cycle of racist accusations rolling. Why even throw the race in there? just make you're case without it. It completely destroys the validity of your argument. And stop acting like people are building him a statue.

Cant wait till the Canes bench Kaaya....oh how the racism threads will start popping up.

Didn't the Canes choose a lighter skin qb (Kaaya) over a darker skin one (Edouard)? Racism lol

 

[BucCANEers]

With Shannon, 99% of the fan base were lighting torches, now, they're lighting cigars.

Like I said I wasnt around here when Shannon was the coach, but I do know there were a lot of Shannon supporters. I remember on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Fannation etc Miami fans were supporting Shannon. I would say the same percentage of Shannon supporters and non supporters are about the same as to Goldens. You need to stop trolling people, you're a big name poster on here and your swaying the lesser minds with the whole race thing.

 

[MadCane]

Many of us want Golden replaced. But the idea that people are now minimizing the disaster of Randy Shannon is just plain dumb.

I bet many of the same people were pushing for Shannon to be fired for years, but now romanticize his tenure to make some dumb "racist" point. He was a disaster. So is Golden. Racism has nothing to do with it. Golden appears to be getting more time because he followed a disaster, and also dealt with the Shapiro situation. That's all.

We'll see how long this grace period lasts.

I guess the glare from the burning cross on your lawn is making it tough for you to read, but nobody is saying Shannon was not a disaster. Nobody is romanticizing his tenure.

I am pointing out a cold hard fact: both coaches were in the identical situations in their third and fourth seasons. They are interchangeable. The only difference is the fan reaction. Both deserve(d) to be fired.

However, to see the absolute night and day treatment each received despite identical performances is sad and racist.


With Shannon, 99% of the fan base were lighting torches, now, they're lighting cigars.

They situations weren't identical, chief. Apply some critical objective thinking to this topic. It has nothing to do with racism. You can actually very reasonably argue for Golden to be fired without using this opportunistic (and dumb) idea that racism is the cause. Give it a shot. Many of us reasonable people would probably agree with you.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

With Shannon, 99% of the fan base were lighting torches, now, they're lighting cigars.

Like I said I wasnt around here when Shannon was the coach, but I do know there were a lot of Shannon supporters. I remember on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Fannation etc Miami fans were supporting Shannon. I would say the same percentage of Shannon supporters and non supporters are about the same as to Goldens. You need to stop trolling people, you're a big name poster on here and your swaying the lesser minds with the whole race thing.

Not joking anymore, the fanbase went in on Shannon after FSU blew us out. Fans were already waining in support after the Ohio State game. After we lost to Virginia it was the universal opinion that he had to win out.

Except for Don Bailey, Jr. of course, who shamefully attacked Dan Morgan on air for even suggesting a change. He went as low as to make fun of him for failing to win a title in 2000.

 

[WhatTheHell]

With Shannon, 99% of the fan base were lighting torches, now, they're lighting cigars.

Like I said I wasnt around here when Shannon was the coach, but I do know there were a lot of Shannon supporters. I remember on Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Fannation etc Miami fans were supporting Shannon. I would say the same percentage of Shannon supporters and non supporters are about the same as to Goldens. You need to stop trolling people, you're a big name poster on here and your swaying the lesser minds with the whole race thing.

Like you said, you weren't around. It was a lynch mob on every Miami message board. You had a small faction of "he's not the one out there missing tackles" morons like you do now, but it was overwhelming the amount of vitriol and hate he received.

The larger part of the fans wanted him out at 7-3. After his 4th loss, that was it. It was all but unanimous.

I'm not trolling, I'm dead *** serious. To see the contrasting attitudes towards the coaches despite the comparable situations is alarming.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Why are you trying to make this about race? and how you say we've responded to this Loss is just plain not true.

Probably because it is about race

You think the next head coach is gonna be black?

Would it still be about race if we hired Butch?

Topic is termination.

What's good for the Black guy should be the same standard for the white guy.

UM did that to Shannon. And if UM is consistent, Golden is gone.

Any crooked-assed attorney gets a good whiff of this, he's going to cost UM a lot of money, and that's without winning.

 

[rex karz]

Pound for pound that 2010 team was smoking the most dope of any NCAA division one school in history. They played like it!

 

[MdCanesFan]

Kill..some of you dummies were REALLY serious bout this race thing..

When I saw the OP I thought it was a joke

Race though..wheres the "Really N*gga" meme when you need it

AG had to deal with much more than just expectations during his tenure..I think that does save him a year.

But really good teams arent spawned overnight..it takes an infusion of talent plus the coaches mental makeup

This year you see some of those things with the way players answer questions (almost identical to the coaches), the 2nd half of season fight

Similar to AG never ending fight to save his BFF's job..the culture and a standard has to be set

We cant keep going about it firing coaches because they're not 30-3 their first 3 years.

At the same time I wont keep giving Golden a pass because of the adversity he had when he took the job

He needs to keep showing improvement and that starts with finishing THIS season strong and winning a bowl game

THEN he needs to close out our class strong as well..

Those are a few things I feel need to happen to show that his particular program in place for UM can actually trend upwards