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ncncanes said:
The OP is not based on fact --- not every one wanted Randy gone, they should have, but that was not the case
- just like, a lot more people HATED Butch when he was here ----- that was the original banner brigade ..... now everyone claims they were a fan
- people didnt like Dennis - guy won 2 Natl championships and it was still never enough
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What does not liking someone have anything to do with Al Golden having the same exact record in the same exact season that Randy was fired for???
 
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OzarCaneSaw said:
OrangetieFatface said:
OzarCaneSaw said:
GoldenShowers said:
Randy Shannon was 7-4 going into his final game in year 4 when the decision was made to fire him

Al Golden at best will be 7-4 going into his final game in year 4.

Donna Shalala and the AD and BOT are clearly racist if they retain Al for doing the same thing Randy did at the same point in his tenure.
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Of course they are, as is anyone how defends them. Donna, the rich white folks, the closeted racist fans are ALL ok with having "those people" play for them but couldn't wait to fire one of "those people". You're cot**** right. Now that they've got their clean cut, well spoken coach with the north-eastern accent who wears ties to games, well ***** bells, they'll do/say ANYTHING to keep him.
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I'm reserving the race card until the season ends. Racism is a steep accusation, and can go both ways.

Randy was a true cane through and through, Golden is a pasty MAC face in an expensive tie. Equal coaching accolades. Retain Golden this year and their true colors will really show. But I'll give the benefit of the doubt for 3 more weeks.
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He loses one more game this year, he should be gone. No matter what. Shannon should have been fired. Golden should be fired. No excuses. They produce the same results. If Golden is not, you have to ask why. WTH has pointed out, as has many other people, that Randy had extenuating circumstances equal to Goldens.
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Golden should've been fired 2 years ago haha.

I'm just saying I'm going to jump on the race card long and hard if he isn't fired in three weeks. I'm not going to do it until I have a full ****nal.

Been laying in wait for this for some time, but we need the admin to prove us right first. If golden is fired in a couple weeks than color isn't a factor.
 
It's not rugby bro. Learn your sports. The guy in the photo may be the best athlete on Earth.

I understand the point. But I am in reality and he is getting another year unless he ***** the bed from here out. People bring up race too often when they can't understand why things happen. There is way too much speculation with that accusation. This is just a different situation than Randy. Sanctions, scandals, scholarship reductions, and what not. He is getting a pass for that reason.

If I was running the show, he would have already had his bags packed.
 
Al Golden is the white Randy Shannon. But the adulation for Golden; a man that has yet to win 10 games, has not won the coastal and has fielded the worst Miami defense in school history. Think about all of that. Now please explain why Al Golden's failures are acceptable to the school and fan base and somehow Randy Shannon's were not?
 
GoldenShowers said:
HurricaneinLA said:
Got to get a coach that hates losing more than anything. Jimmy Johnson set the standard at UM. It sucks being a fan squabbling about a couple of teriible coaches.

Bottom line if you do not win you get fired. Nobody gives a **** about color unless you are a racist. It has been over a decade since our team was any good.

If Randy would have won he would still be here. I think everybody was pulling for Randy since he was from Miami and played at UM. A lot of great former and current players where from the same type neighborhoods and area as Randy. It would have be great to see Randy succeed.

Larry Coker got FIRED and he won a NC and lost in over time for another. His worst and last season was 7-6. Before that 12-0 NC, 12-1 Lost over time NC, 11-2, 9-3, 9-3.

Shannon's first year was the worst record at UM since the 70s at 5-7. We all know he was the defensive coordinator since 2001. If he was any good he should have done better since he got bumped up. He drove the team into the ground and let all the Shapiro BS happen on his watch. Recruiting sucked after one hyped up year with the NW kids. Most NW kids bailed on Golden their junior years.

Golden at least has recruited better and started with way less than Randy far from those champion years. Golden is just not good enough to coach at UM and has lost to many south Florida recruits. If he was any good he would have had a better record. No excuses. Should be fired just for the Penn St. bull**** along with another sub par season losing to Neb, Lou and GT. No way a real Miami team loses to those teams. All comes down to the administration Shalala has been a disaster for this team.
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But the entire point is bolded. If that was the case, why isnt Golden getting fired? He hasn't won, and has been just as ineffective as the guy they fired for him.

The point isn' that Randy shouldn't have been fired; that dude was a horror HC.

The point is that Al should be held to the same standard Randy was, and since he isn't, it seems to me the only reason is bc he is white.
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Randy was the defensive coordinator and was part the down fall before he was head coach. Once Butch's players where gone the team went 9-3, then Coker's last year at 7-4. Again Randy went 5-7 in his first year. Randy did not have any sanctions facing him. He just created them. That is why this ****** administration is keeping Golden around for another year. They did not inform Golden what he was really getting into. His pass should be revoked for the Penn st fiasco and get fired.
Got to wait for a new president unfortunately.
 
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Goblens should've been fired after last season for not firing his butt buddy. That ship has now sailed.
 
bbcane said:
Beef Stew said:
MiamiManiac said:
****, WEZ said they were going to turn this into a race thing if Al lost to F$U and people didn't want him fired. Not surprised they are going through w/ it lol.
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It's *** as ****. It's a ****ing joke to anyone who has seen real racism. Personally, it makes me support Al Golden more. I was on the fence before, now I'm a Golden supporter because of this bull****.
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Exactly. As a black man, it is garbage. It is all funny I guess , but the mods are in on it, which I don't like.
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Totally agree - now we know what has happened to this site - same as Grassy and Rivals.
 
txcanes said:
bbcane said:
Beef Stew said:
MiamiManiac said:
****, WEZ said they were going to turn this into a race thing if Al lost to F$U and people didn't want him fired. Not surprised they are going through w/ it lol.
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It's *** as ****. It's a ****ing joke to anyone who has seen real racism. Personally, it makes me support Al Golden more. I was on the fence before, now I'm a Golden supporter because of this bull****.
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Exactly. As a black man, it is garbage. It is all funny I guess , but the mods are in on it, which I don't like.
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Totally agree - now we know what has happened to this site - same as Grassy and Rivals.
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No, it's folks like you who aren't up to discussing observations.

Two guys, almost identical in every way - almost identical records - and one gets fired.

So if all other things being equal - what's a difference - what is dissimilar between the two?

You don't have to be a racist, or bigot to answer the question - what's the dissimilarity between the two, as their performances are almost identical?

You can do it! You don't have to try to demotivate the MODS to do your personal bidding.

Any casual observer could answer the question. Surely you're as bright as a non-fan, or casual observer, aren't you?
 
NVA CANE said:
Al Golden is the white Randy Shannon. But the adulation for Golden; a man that has yet to win 10 games, has not won the coastal and has fielded the worst Miami defense in school history. Think about all of that. Now please explain why Al Golden's failures are acceptable to the school and fan base and somehow Randy Shannon's were not?
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I really want an explanation from a Golden slurper as to why they so vociferously defend Al Golden, yet did not do the same for Randy Shannon? It's clearly not based on football results so please explain to us what is it based on?
 
It's really sad to see these people just not admit "holy ****, I am being conned by the well-spoken white guy. My prejudices got in the way and kept me from being objective."

Al Golden beat a mid-major by 21, and a pair of .500 teams by 24 and 27. So he's earned another year? That's now the benchmark?


In his first 10 games of 2010, Shannon beat two 8-5 teams by 23 and 28. Beat a .500 GT by 25, and even knocked off a ranked Maryland team. He was sitting at 7-3 with those wins, and people still wanted him fired.

Why no parade for tuning up average teams? Golden is 6-4 with a few wins like that, and he is drawing comparisons to Butch Davis and "the corner has been turned." "It's cuz he played FSU close." One, so has everyone, two, if that's the new standard for a coach around here we are in trouble.

It's odd, and I guess obviously some of you won't admit it or it's happening on a subconscious level, but it's obvious what's going on.
 
UMFarArcher said:
txcanes said:
bbcane said:
Beef Stew said:
MiamiManiac said:
****, WEZ said they were going to turn this into a race thing if Al lost to F$U and people didn't want him fired. Not surprised they are going through w/ it lol.
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It's *** as ****. It's a ****ing joke to anyone who has seen real racism. Personally, it makes me support Al Golden more. I was on the fence before, now I'm a Golden supporter because of this bull****.
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Exactly. As a black man, it is garbage. It is all funny I guess , but the mods are in on it, which I don't like.
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Totally agree - now we know what has happened to this site - same as Grassy and Rivals.
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No, it's folks like you who aren't up to discussing observations.

Two guys, almost identical in every way - almost identical records - and one gets fired.

So if all other things being equal - what's a difference - what is dissimilar between the two?

You don't have to be a racist, or bigot to answer the question - what's the dissimilarity between the two, as their performances are almost identical?

You can do it! You don't have to try to demotivate the MODS to do your personal bidding.

Any casual observer could answer the question. Surely you're as bright as a non-fan, or casual observer, aren't you?
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Did one go through an ncaa investigation where everyone and their mother was calling for our heads?

Please just lock this thread it's ******* cheap and petty

Always pulling the ******* race card.

Ask yourselves why hasn't randy gotten a look at Head coach anywhere since then? **** he was even passed over for the DC spot in Arkansas
 
UMFarArcher said:
calinative umstudent said:
Why are you trying to make this about race? and how you say we've responded to this Loss is just plain not true.
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It seems the only difference in the two, is the color of the coach.

The black one got fired for coaching like this.

There is no other difference.
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This is ridiculous. I wanted Randy fire because he was a mess and completely lacked any organizational skills. You could of argued that Randy was racist for running off countless white QBs. I want Al fired because, while well organized, his defense sucks and he is too prideful to admit it and make changes. The difference between them is more contractual than skin color. Randy got job because he was cheap, school was busy paying off a crappy basketball coach(black by the way), and nobody else wanted it. He had little leverage. Four years later he got contract renewal by basically quitting recruiting efforts. It was enough to save him. Al got had more leverage coming in because he was already a HC. Again, most good coaches did want the job and school new it need a choirboy to get it pass the ncaa(guess they forgot to put that in the job description. They Al got lucky. NCAA bomb hit and he leveraged that into horrible extension before first play of first season. Al wired his safety net in before this even started. Cost of firing Al is higher, not because he is white but because of leverage. Still, his rear was on fire until we smacked VT around. I still want him gone. I am fat old white Italian Catholic dude who wasn't very good at football(just like Al) but I have no faith in him at all he must go.

Donna hired both and fired Randy. If there is a racist must be her. I hate her, so if that is who you are blaming then I am all in, right or wrong.
 
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The NCAA investigation cloud will probably be the only reason why AG would be allowed to keep his position, after pretty much duplicating Shannon's record. But in my opinion it shouldn't be, because AG still had better than average recruiting classes. So the investigation shouldn't be an excuse why he hasn't been able to develop a winner in a weak conference. I think after this season all bets are off though. Of course thats depending on if the powers that be are dedicated towards winning.

Correction-He developed a winning team just like Shannon but not on the level that should be expected from a Miami team. ACC should be Miami vs FSU in the championship every year.
 
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