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Entire Athletic Department is Dysfunctional and a Disaster

Pimpdaddycane said:
I personally believe the powers that be have the athletic program exactly where they want it. The transition from “The U” to Wake Forest South is complete. No group is dumb enough to inadvertently go from Coker to Shannon to Al to Richt without a plan to suck. It’s just not possible this is inadvertant.
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Like I said, they don’t care.
 
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This is a classic dog and pony show.
Jedi Master Cane said:
OP listed out the disease that is spitting out all the symptoms we are currently *****ing about.

When the administration who has been tasked with acting as custodians for something they don't give an F about that something, or are too incompetent to properly manage that something ....you get ****** coaches, which lead to ****** seasons, which lead to ****** recruiting classes.

It's a cycle that is going to be difficult for us to escape from in the near future. This program is officially in a coma.
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This is it. It's the same cycle we've been in for the last 15 years. We just bottomed out again and will be looking for a new coach for the 2021 season. We'll likely fück that one up too. It's possible that the last chance to save the program was after Shannon was fired. And I don't want to hear about how Alabama was bad for years because college football is big business now and Miami can't keep up with the new model.

This is a classic dog and pony show.
 
Go Canes!! said:
This is the big picture:



And this:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ridiculous-sports-nutrition-center-on-campus/

And this:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/co...wer-five-program-looks-like-thanks-facilities

And this:

https://www.ncaa.com//football/article/2017-08-16/oklahoma-football-inside-look-sooners-new-132000-square-foot

We were in the freaking stone ages just a few years ago. Our facilities, nutrition program, weight room, athletic offices and home stadium were a joke. The AD is the person most responsible for getting us to where we could even come close to competing.

It's not about a 5 loss season or a bad recruiting class though those things are important. It's about building a program that's competitive for the long haul and James has done a **** good job of that.

We'll see what happens this offseason and next. You can't just fire everyone every time something goes wrong.
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As I've stated, Blake would be a great ASSISTANT AD. Facilities are getting up to par, but ****, even the University of Kansas have great facilities for their football program, and guess what? You already know.

Here's what I don't get: You equate facilities with being competitive. The two are not one in the same. Facilities are an added bonus. The examples you're furnishing are teams that are competitive both ON and off the field. I can unequivocally tell you that if you ask any recruit what's most important, and 100% of them will tell you the ability of the coaching staff to get them to next level, not buildings. Buildings don't mean chit when you are not winning on the field. They will be occupied by guys who will have a slim to none chance of making it to the next level. Again, Richt banked on with this new IPF, recruits will see that we are serious about football. Well, then 2018 happened. Then certain things that were happening on the field and in the locker room happened. Now, recruits are flying the coop.

But wait? We have new student housing going up and a shiny new IPF. The University of Texas has one of the best facilities out of all the P5 schools, and they were getting kids flying the coop left and right b/c they weren't winning. Now Herman has them back on the right path and kids are staying home. WINNING is everything.

Furthermore, you stated that James is doing a good job of keeping us competitive for the long haul. What evidence have shown we are going to be a competitive program for the long haul?
 
Go Canes!! said:
Football season ticket sales an all time high.
State of the art home stadium.
Brand new state of the art indoor practic facility.
Brand new $100 million housing village for student athletes ready to open next year.
Renovated facilities at Hecht, nutrition center and weight room just opened.
Fundraising at an all time high.
Women’s athletics blowing up.
Men’s basketball theee straight NCAA bids.

Honestly, some of you fire everyone, the sky is falling, this is a disaster clowns really need to take a deep breath and stfu for just a second. You sound like idiots.
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Lipstick on a pig

7-5, and baseball is dead
 
Go Canes!! said:
Football season ticket sales an all time high.
State of the art home stadium.
Brand new state of the art indoor practic facility.
Brand new $100 million housing village for student athletes ready to open next year.
Renovated facilities at Hecht, nutrition center and weight room just opened.
Fundraising at an all time high.
Women’s athletics blowing up.
Men’s basketball theee straight NCAA bids.

Honestly, some of you fire everyone, the sky is falling, this is a disaster clowns really need to take a deep breath and stfu for just a second. You sound like idiots.
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Sooo what does all that have to do with the total mismanagement of the FOOTBALL team and the desired result the fans and the BOT expect bit didnt get?
 
Rellyrell said:
Furthermore, you stated that James is doing a good job of keeping us competitive for the long haul. What evidence have shown we are going to be a competitive program for the long haul?
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He gave Richt a contract extension.................oh wait..............never mind. :hammering-head:
 
The Franchise said:
UM needs to first decide if it wants to be a power in today’s world. If it does, then it needs a complete overhaul of its approach and needs to get out of that “we won in 2001 without support staff” mentality. If it’s cool with being UVA/BC/UNC level, then just keep what we’re doing.

You will never surpass the current superpowers without making football a huge priority from a resource standpoint. You can’t beat teams with former high level coaches on support staff while you have a few recent grads with unknown football pedigree.

On top of all that, we need to scrap this “how will it look publicly if we hire ______” loser approach. We need to get back to hiring swashbucklers like Ken Briles who wants to hang 70 on everyone and doesn’t give a fck what anyone thinks.
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Miami HAS decided.

They know **** well what it takes to win. They choose not to do It, because the powers that be prioritize runnung a clean program above all else.

Our reputation gained in the 80’s really did a number on our admin. They would rather be Wake Forest than go back to being that.

Miami will fire Richt in 2 years....not because they give a **** about winning, but because fans will stop showing up. They will do just enough to keep their ROI positive, and not an inkling more.

they will hire another dopey coach, fans will get excited, buy season tickets, and the cycle of losing will start all over again.

Miami will milk its past to dupe fans in to spending money for as long as they possibly can, all while investing as little back in to the program as they possibly can. And this will go on until the last of us who give a **** are too old to remember Miami’s glory days.
 
Canedude08 said:
Actually, athletic success and academic success are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. The only major link between college athletics and academics is that you get more applications. That said, the quality of applicants can be hit or miss, depending on the current profile of your school. Alabama can win national titles until the end of time, but they aren't going to consistently get the kind of applicants that Miami gets, much less Stanford.
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There is a link though. Two big factors for the rankings are endowments and test scores.

1. More winning tends to mean more donations, so bigger endowments

2. More applications means the school can pick the top 10% Instead SAT scores instead of top 20% because of numbers. That doesn't work for a big public school like Bama because of the sheer number of in state applications they get normally. A championship there doesn't really move the needle. Miami is trying to snag applicants who would otherwise go to Vandy or Duke (not really getting the Harvard bound kids). Winning championships makes Miami more attractive, so more highly qualified applicants, so ranking goes up, so more qualified students become interested, and so forth. Student body is so small that getting in more students with higher test scores really does move the needle.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Football season ticket sales an all time high.
State of the art home stadium.
Brand new state of the art indoor practic facility.
Brand new $100 million housing village for student athletes ready to open next year.
Renovated facilities at Hecht, nutrition center and weight room just opened.
Fundraising at an all time high.
Women’s athletics blowing up.
Men’s basketball theee straight NCAA bids.

Honestly, some of you fire everyone, the sky is falling, this is a disaster clowns really need to take a deep breath and stfu for just a second. You sound like idiots.
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Hmmm, so if you’re correct and all is so well, why don’t tell us how we will get better w no recruits, and a staff on O that can’t develope?
 
Consigliere said:
I stopped here.

So as stated NO EVIDENCE was presented at trial as to whether Dewan knew of the payment plan or whether he received any payments.

If there is NO EVIDENCE, what standard of proof is met? If the DOJ was unable to get any evidence, what is the NCAA going to get? Also, how will they get this non-existent evidence? With their no subpoena power?

After you answer those questions, I suggest you look into VJ King and Lamar Peters. See how they're doing and how their schools are handling this bull****.
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Your skull must really be thick. Standards of evidence don’t matter to the NCAA, as they have proven time and again.

I’m assuming you didn’t follow the whole Shapiro mess very closely, and everything that came out about what the NCAA’s intentions were regarding Miami.

There's enough to criticize the program without this nonsense. I would do exactly the same thing as far as Dewan...until the NCAA gives the green light, which they HAVE NOT, you can’t risk playing him. Simple as that. They have a history of wanting the come down hard on us. A provable history.

That’s the only reason they’re not playing him. They’re afraid that the NCAA will hammer them if they do.

I’m done, you clearly don’t get it, and any kind of logic apparently escapes you.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Your skull must really be thick. Standards of evidence don’t matter to the NCAA, as they have proven time and again.

I’m assuming you didn’t follow the whole Shapiro mess very closely, and everything that came out about what the NCAA’s intentions were regarding Miami.

There's enough to criticize the program without this nonsense. I would do exactly the same thing as far as Dewan...until the NCAA gives the green light, which they HAVE NOT, you can’t risk playing him. Simple as that. They have a history of wanting the come down hard on us. A provable history.

That’s the only reason they’re not playing him. They’re afraid that the NCAA will hammer them if they do.

I’m done, you clearly don’t get it, and any kind of logic apparently escapes you.
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No, you don't get it. UM shouldn't have to wait for a "green light" from the NCAA to play an eligible player. They did the exact same thing to Dequan Jones in 2011. Suspended him for his entire senior season pending NCAA "review of his eligibility." DQJ lawyered up, threatened legal action against UM, and got reinstated after 10 games.
 
tcgrad1014 said:
No, you don't get it. UM shouldn't have to wait for a "green light" from the NCAA to play an eligible player. They did the exact same thing to Dequan Jones in 2011. Suspended him for his entire senior season pending NCAA "review of his eligibility." DQJ lawyered up, threatened legal action against UM, and got reinstated after 10 games.
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You’re right. They shouldn’t have to wait. But it’s Miami. It’s not an SEC school. If they’re Miami, they do have to wait.

If Dewan lawyering up and getting reinstatement was feasible, he would have already done so. But he hasn’t. And he has a career to worry about in the NBA...now, why hasn’t he gotten the lawyer if it’s so simple.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You’re right. They shouldn’t have to wait. But it’s Miami. It’s not an SEC school. If they’re Miami, they do have to wait.

If Dewan lawyering up and getting reinstatement was feasible, he would have already done so. But he hasn’t. And he has a career to worry about in the NBA...now, why hasn’t he gotten the lawyer if it’s so simple.
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It’s this pvssy mentality that has destroyed and crippled our athletic department. They’re too concerned about what the outside might think.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You’re right. They shouldn’t have to wait. But it’s Miami. It’s not an SEC school. If they’re Miami, they do have to wait.

If Dewan lawyering up and getting reinstatement was feasible, he would have already done so. But he hasn’t. And he has a career to worry about in the NBA...now, why hasn’t he gotten the lawyer if it’s so simple.
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Maybe because he's a 20yo kid who is being given bad advice. The reality is that if he had taken bennies, he wouldn't be sitting around waiting for the NCAA to finish their open ended fishing expedition. He'd be off to Europe or Israel to make money playing basketball.
 
The Franchise said:
It’s this pvssy mentality that has destroyed and crippled our athletic department. They’re too concerned about what the outside might think.
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It’s not about what anyone thinks, it’s about what the NCAA might do. Who cares what others think.

It’s like there’s amnesia about the past. We were a botched investigation away from decade crippling sanctions because of a used washing machine.

There’s plenty to bltch about, but this one CYA that makes sense. Nobody fūcking knows what the NCAA has in mind, but history proves we don’t get breaks from them.

Again, Dewan not lawyering up is telling.

I hope he does lawyer up and brings it to a head, though.
 
tcgrad1014 said:
Maybe because he's a 20yo kid who is being given bad advice. The reality is that if he had taken bennies, he wouldn't be sitting around waiting for the NCAA to finish their open ended fishing expedition. He'd be off to Europe or Israel to make money playing basketball.
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No amount of your logic is applicable to an illogical organization like the NCAA.

And I’m not arguing that he did take benefits. I don’t think he did, at least I hope he didn’t.

What you or I think is completely irrelevant. What’s relevant is how is the NCAA going to rule next week, next month, whenever. Do you know? I sure don’t.
 
Canedude08 said:
Actually, athletic success and academic success are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. The only major link between college athletics and academics is that you get more applications. That said, the quality of applicants can be hit or miss, depending on the current profile of your school. Alabama can win national titles until the end of time, but they aren't going to consistently get the kind of applicants that Miami gets, much less Stanford.
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I would say that Alabama is on par with Miami academically, if not ahead.
 
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