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guacamoleesestra

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I know, I know, another thread on these guys. Sorry in advance, but I had a separate but related question.

In the article yesterday quoting Grace's lawyer, he mentioned that Jermaine is free to go wherever he wants and is immediately eligible. Graduate transfer rules aside, why would Grace / Young / AQM be immediately eligible to play if they've violated NCAA rules and not satisfied any NCAA punishments? If they do play immediately for another team, wouldn't that team be risking forfeiting those games if it was found any of those players did violate NCAA rules and not served any punishment? I think I read that Young will be sitting out this year because he transferred - so will the investigation into his wrongdoing be investigated during that year to see if he has to serve a suspension? Particularly with regard to Grace, it struck me as odd that he could be dismissed from the team at Miami due to Miami's fear of NCAA backlash, but be immediately eligible with no repercussions anywhere else. I understand we have to be conservative due to the probation but it seems crazy that he'd have no punishment if he went to any other school.
 
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guacamoleesestra said:
I know, I know, another thread on these guys. Sorry in advance, but I had a separate but related question.

In the article yesterday quoting Grace's lawyer, he mentioned that Jermaine is free to go wherever he wants and is immediately eligible. Graduate transfer rules aside, why would Grace / Young / AQM be immediately eligible to play if they've violated NCAA rules and not satisfied any NCAA punishments? If they do play immediately for another team, wouldn't that team be risking forfeiting those games if it was found any of those players did violate NCAA rules and not served any punishment? I think I read that Young will be sitting out this year because he transferred - so will the investigation into his wrongdoing be investigated during that year to see if he has to serve a suspension? Particularly with regard to Grace, it struck me as odd that he could be dismissed from the team at Miami due to Miami's fear of NCAA backlash, but be immediately eligible with no repercussions anywhere else. I understand we have to be conservative due to the probation but it seems crazy that he'd have no punishment if he went to any other school.
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Until the NCAA actually investigates them, which likely won't happen, they have no issue with NCAA eligibility. This was a SCHOOL decision, not the NCAA's, despite what idiots like Stewart Mandel tweet. I don't see why the NCAA would investigate two guys who aren't student-athletes at the moment, either.

The word crazy is appropriate here. It took a perfect storm to get these guys kicked off the team, and yes they played a role in causing it -- but it was still a perfect storm. Take away one of the variables: No prior investigation; shorter investigation; no lingering target on UM's back; no whistle blower; no outside counsel; Richt being allowed to make the decision; probably a few others too -- any of those changes and at least AQM and Grace are suiting up Saturday.
 
guacamoleesestra said:
I know, I know, another thread on these guys. Sorry in advance, but I had a separate but related question.

In the article yesterday quoting Grace's lawyer, he mentioned that Jermaine is free to go wherever he wants and is immediately eligible. Graduate transfer rules aside, why would Grace / Young / AQM be immediately eligible to play if they've violated NCAA rules and not satisfied any NCAA punishments? If they do play immediately for another team, wouldn't that team be risking forfeiting those games if it was found any of those players did violate NCAA rules and not served any punishment? I think I read that Young will be sitting out this year because he transferred - so will the investigation into his wrongdoing be investigated during that year to see if he has to serve a suspension? Particularly with regard to Grace, it struck me as odd that he could be dismissed from the team at Miami due to Miami's fear of NCAA backlash, but be immediately eligible with no repercussions anywhere else. I understand we have to be conservative due to the probation but it seems crazy that he'd have no punishment if he went to any other school.
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In the article if you look closely he says he's free to go to any FCS school and play immediately. Not FBS
 
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The part people are missing is that they lied....thus why they are off the team. Also, they violated NCAA rules....if the school didnt drop the hammer, the NCAA would have
 
Same way that Ray Ray Armstrong was immediately eligible and free to go wherever he wanted to go. He tried to go to several schools after UM bounced him, and no one would touch him.

Frankly, Grace's lawyer has demonstrated less than rudimentary knowledge of NCAA rules. He basically threw dirt on his own client's grave when he ran his mouth to the media admitting Grace lied during the investigation. He obviously didn't know about the NCAA rule that Dapper Slapper quoted regarding the automatic 1 year penalty for lying during this sort of investigation.

This is what happens when lawyers get involved in squabbles merely to promote themselves through the media. I'm not sure where Grace got the money to pay for thousands of dollars in exotic rentals and thousands in legal fees. But the guess is the lawyer agreed to do it in exchange for getting his name out there.

He got a chance to grandstand to the media and **** on UM and make himself seem to be that shining beacon in the night for the abused and downtrodden. Unfortunately, he buried his own client in the process and likely spread a bunch of baseless garbage to the press to make his client seem like a poor innocent choirboy and paint UM as the evil ogre. It's a classic example of Lionel Hutz Champerty 101.

Grace and AQM are free to go where they want. That doesn't mean anyone will want to deal with the cases that will follow them. They can't just wash their hands of this case by going elsewhere. The next school would have to do its own investigation and consult with the NCAA on a punishment just like UM.
 
The Franchise said:
Same way that Ray Ray Armstrong was immediately eligible and free to go wherever he wanted to go. He tried to go to several schools after UM bounced him, and no one would touch him.

Frankly, Grace's lawyer has demonstrated less than rudimentary knowledge of NCAA rules. He basically threw dirt on his own client's grave when he ran his mouth to the media admitting Grace lied during the investigation. He obviously didn't know about the NCAA rule that Dapper Slapper quoted regarding the automatic 1 year penalty for lying during this sort of investigation.

This is what happens when lawyers get involved in squabbles merely to promote themselves through the media. I'm not sure where Grace got the money to pay for thousands of dollars in exotic rentals and thousands in legal fees. But the guess is the lawyer agreed to do it in exchange for getting his name out there.

He got a chance to grandstand to the media and **** on UM and make himself seem to be that shining beacon in the night for the abused and downtrodden. Unfortunately, he buried his own client in the process and likely spread a bunch of baseless garbage to the press to make his client seem like a poor innocent choirboy and paint UM as the evil ogre. It's a classic example of Lionel Hutz Champerty 101.

Grace and AQM are free to go where they want. That doesn't mean anyone will want to deal with the cases that will follow them. They can't just wash their hands of this case by going elsewhere. The next school would have to do its own investigation and consult with the NCAA on a punishment just like UM.
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Some people gets it and some don't..
 
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If Miami is off of probation in October, why not suspend them "indefinitely" (until that date) and then allow them to return to the team? I don't know if what I said just makes sense but I'm posting it anyway.
 
GaCane1213 said:
The part people are missing is that they lied....thus why they are off the team. Also, they violated NCAA rules....if the school didnt drop the hammer, the NCAA would have
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The NCAA doesn't have the stones to do anything.

I don't condone lying, but my goodness we have the moral police around here. 18-22 year olds never lie guys! Only Miami football players!
 
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The Franchise said:
Same way that Ray Ray Armstrong was immediately eligible and free to go wherever he wanted to go. He tried to go to several schools after UM bounced him, and no one would touch him.

Frankly, Grace's lawyer has demonstrated less than rudimentary knowledge of NCAA rules. He basically threw dirt on his own client's grave when he ran his mouth to the media admitting Grace lied during the investigation. He obviously didn't know about the NCAA rule that Dapper Slapper quoted regarding the automatic 1 year penalty for lying during this sort of investigation.

This is what happens when lawyers get involved in squabbles merely to promote themselves through the media. I'm not sure where Grace got the money to pay for thousands of dollars in exotic rentals and thousands in legal fees. But the guess is the lawyer agreed to do it in exchange for getting his name out there.

He got a chance to grandstand to the media and **** on UM and make himself seem to be that shining beacon in the night for the abused and downtrodden. Unfortunately, he buried his own client in the process and likely spread a bunch of baseless garbage to the press to make his client seem like a poor innocent choirboy and paint UM as the evil ogre. It's a classic example of Lionel Hutz Champerty 101.

Grace and AQM are free to go where they want. That doesn't mean anyone will want to deal with the cases that will follow them. They can't just wash their hands of this case by going elsewhere. The next school would have to do its own investigation and consult with the NCAA on a punishment just like UM.
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Fantastic breakdown there.

I do understand why a lot of fans are struggling with the idea that "lying" cost Grace his spot on the squad based on his attorney's version. He claims they turned over proof that everything was paid for by family and that there was no other evidence...just hearsay. When I first saw that I was puzzled too...as if UM chose to accept hearsay over the actual documentation provided. Something NO other University would do as 100% of all illicit booster activities are targeted at only ever producing hearsay that can't be proven.

Then said attorney claims his client lied...but is a 21 year old blah blah blah. Huh? Any way you can contradict your concrete v. hearsay statement any more?

UM
 
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Gatorhater said:
ilovelamp51 said:
GaCane1213 said:
The part people are missing is that they lied....
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Oh the horror.. Not a LIE. Who would ever do that to try to get out of trouble?!
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Certainly not a President or presidential candidate. These kids got worse punishment than a perjurer. And I guess there no against "extra benefits" from selling influence.
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If they owned up and told the truth they probably woulda been suspended maybe 4-6 games. I think well be fine and people are worrying too much. Our DL is great, and we only had Grace one more year. Time for the freshman linebackers to play. Only means theyll be even better year 2
 
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Fightinibis said:
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The Franchise said:
Same way that Ray Ray Armstrong was immediately eligible and free to go wherever he wanted to go. He tried to go to several schools after UM bounced him, and no one would touch him.

Frankly, Grace's lawyer has demonstrated less than rudimentary knowledge of NCAA rules. He basically threw dirt on his own client's grave when he ran his mouth to the media admitting Grace lied during the investigation. He obviously didn't know about the NCAA rule that Dapper Slapper quoted regarding the automatic 1 year penalty for lying during this sort of investigation.

This is what happens when lawyers get involved in squabbles merely to promote themselves through the media. I'm not sure where Grace got the money to pay for thousands of dollars in exotic rentals and thousands in legal fees. But the guess is the lawyer agreed to do it in exchange for getting his name out there.

He got a chance to grandstand to the media and **** on UM and make himself seem to be that shining beacon in the night for the abused and downtrodden. Unfortunately, he buried his own client in the process and likely spread a bunch of baseless garbage to the press to make his client seem like a poor innocent choirboy and paint UM as the evil ogre. It's a classic example of Lionel Hutz Champerty 101.

Grace and AQM are free to go where they want. That doesn't mean anyone will want to deal with the cases that will follow them. They can't just wash their hands of this case by going elsewhere. The next school would have to do its own investigation and consult with the NCAA on a punishment just like UM.
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Fantastic breakdown there.

I do understand why a lot of fans are struggling with the idea that "lying" cost Grace his spot on the squad based on his attorney's version. He claims they turned over proof that everything was paid for by family and that there was no other evidence...just hearsay. When I first saw that I was puzzled too...as if UM chose to accept hearsay over the actual documentation provided. Something NO other University would do as 100% of all illicit booster activities are targeted at only ever producing hearsay that can't be proven.

Then said attorney claims his client lied...but is a 21 year old blah blah blah. Huh? Any way you can contradict your concrete v. hearsay statement any more?

UM
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Problem is a significant portion of this site only likes the UM football team. They have no ties to UM and seem to hate everything related to UM other than the football team.

As a result, they're inclined to believe or advocate any position that is contrary to that taken by UM. In their warped world, UM is out to get the football players and ruin the team even though UM just paid Folden $8M to leave and is now paying Richt $4M per year.

If they really hated football and wanted the team to die they would have just kept Folden. He was killing the program, and it would have been much cheaper.

These unfortunate dopes are so bent on being the cool anti-establishment types that they're actually believing everything Grace's lawyer says. How big of a dupe can you possibly be to do that? I can assure you poor souls that most things that come out of most lawyers' mouths when they are advocating are about as trustworthy as Willie Williams at an electronics store.
 
Golsen82 said:
If they owned up and told the truth they probably woulda been suspended maybe 4-6 games.
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So MAYBE half the season? Just double it for not being forthcoming? What a load of crap. Miami has battered wife syndrome & will do anything to please the NCAA. Using these kids as scapegoats was a perfect opportunity.
 
ilovelamp51 said:
Golsen82 said:
If they owned up and told the truth they probably woulda been suspended maybe 4-6 games.
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So MAYBE half the season? Just double it for not being forthcoming? What a load of crap. Miami has battered wife syndrome & will do anything to please the NCAA. Using these kids as scapegoats was a perfect opportunity.
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Do you have any idea what the rules are relating to loss of eligibility based on the amount of impermissible benefits received? Do you have any idea of the rule related to an automatic 1 year loss of eligibility for lying during an investigation like this? If not, then you're just making **** up and throwing fuel on a fire against UM for no reason.

You guys who are claiming UM should just make up its own rules regarding loss of eligibility for taking impermissible benefits are coming off like raging idiots.
 
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