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pacusmc said:
I’ve been talking about this for a decade. It’s the most ridiculous double standard to slam a Miami coach for missing on a blue chip prospect.
Bama Uga and Ohio state have had at times up to a 90 percent blue chip ratio.
If they were so good at developing and evaluating then their hit rate should equal the ratio but it’s nowhere near that.
If Brandon Innis was here people wouldn’t only be saying we missed on an eval. They would say we suck at developing.
But Jeremiah Smith made everyone forget that kid even exists. They also forgot about about Julian Fleming who was the number one receiver in his class and a consensus 5 star.

They literally forget frontrunner mistakes while bashing our “development”.
Anyone can be a genius if they recruit 3-4 top 5 receivers every cycle.
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I agree that coaches shouldn’t get a ton of “development” praise for bringing in a bunch of 5 star players every year who are literally projected to be 1st round talents b4 they step foot on campus ..they”ll get recruiting praise from me but not development…if you can turn 3 star guys into NFL players I’ll give you your development flowers for sure tho
 
RVACane said:
No I’m not saying that at all about this kid or any in particular. I’m saying we recruit pretty **** well based on rankings. We usually are number 1 in the ACC, maybe 2 one year??? So we’re either getting the wrong 4 stars, for whatever reason or we’re not developing them or we’re not using them correctly - it can’t all be the kids and if it is, we’re not identifying the right ones.
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Well a lot of you guys ain't going to want to hear this. But very little of this is on the kids. While more of the blame falls on a coaching staff it's nowhere near an issue or the entirety of it. People just don't want to be realistic with the state of amateur/professional college sports. This is a business. And if you're looking at this sheerly as a business, in order to get those top-notch employees you're paying for them right off rip. Yet if they don't perform right off rip you can't justify what is essentially their salary. So if somebody that you're paying to be a top-notch employee/player doesn't have the time necessary/mandatory to become that top end employee/player then who's really at fault? You can't take a kid that's a monster after 4 years in high school where reality is they're playing against individuals who 75% of the time 85% of the time will never come near playing at the same level that they are. You're dominating people that have no business being on the field with you. When you get to college that number obviously gets into a far smaller window. How are you going to tell somebody that's on a coaching staff that's a player whatever this is what we need out of you but you don't give them the time to become the best version of themselves or even close to it to put it bluntly. These are young adults that are playing a very physical sport they're playing against often far more mature physical specimens. someone can't be judged for what they're hopefully going to become eventually, immediately... More often than not The people that dominate in this sport are juniors and up. NIL has made it to where all that matters is results now. If you guys can separate one thing from another than what's the point?
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
I agree that coaches shouldn’t get a ton of “development” praise for bringing in a bunch of 5 star players every year who are literally projected to be 1st round talents b4 they step foot on campus ..they”ll get recruiting praise from me but not development…if you can turn 3 star guys into NFL players I’ll give you your development flowers for sure tho
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That was my point in that comment last week or something when it talked about the four and five-star guys that Alabama's put in a league in that Oregon's put in the league in that Ohio State is put in the league compared to looking at Mario when it's showing the four and five-star guys and then it's also showing how far ahead of he is on three star guys on two star guys on unranked guys. He's proving to y'all on a daily basis he's developing his players. That was the whole point.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Well a lot of you guys ain't going to want to hear this. But very little of this is on the kids. While more of the blame falls on a coaching staff it's nowhere near an issue or the entirety of it. People just don't want to be realistic with the state of amateur/professional college sports. This is a business. And if you're looking at this sheerly as a business, in order to get those top-notch employees you're paying for them right off rip. Yet if they don't perform right off rip you can't justify what is essentially their salary. So if somebody that you're paying to be a top-notch employee/player doesn't have the time necessary/mandatory to become that top end employee/player then who's really at fault? You can't take a kid that's a monster after 4 years in high school where reality is they're playing against individuals who 75% of the time 85% of the time will never come near playing at the same level that they are. You're dominating people that have no business being on the field with you. When you get to college that number obviously gets into a far smaller window. How are you going to tell somebody that's on a coaching staff that's a player whatever this is what we need out of you but you don't give them the time to become the best version of themselves or even close to it to put it bluntly. These are young adults that are playing a very physical sport they're playing against often far more mature physical specimens. someone can't be judged for what they're hopefully going to become eventually, immediately... More often than not The people that dominate in this sport are juniors and up. NIL has made it to where all that matters is results now. If you guys can separate one thing from another than what's the point?
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Oh I see the impact of NIL clearly. I’ve been excoriated on here for saying it changes expectations and timelines even if it’s unfair. Like take Samson for instance. I don’t know how much he got out of high school but the guys paying for it can’t consider it a success right now. But we know OL can easily take 3-4 years to develop so it’s not fair by a normal standard but money changes everything. It’s almost not worth it unless you know you have a Francis out of high school who’s plug and play for that money. I’m good going portal for a lot of it. Different day.
 
RVACane said:
Oh I see the impact of NIL clearly. I’ve been excoriated on here for saying it changes expectations and timelines even if it’s unfair. Like take Samson for instance. I don’t know how much he got out of high school but the guys paying for it can’t consider it a success right now. But we know OL can easily take 3-4 years to develop so it’s not fair by a normal standard but money changes everything. It’s almost not worth it unless you know you have a Francis out of high school who’s plug and play for that money. I’m good going portal for a lot of it. Different day.
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If we took up your stance on going to the portal for a lot of it we'd be in a situation VERY similar to fspoo. You can't go to the portal for the base of your squad. Need longevity & familarity for that.
 
Calinative said:
Or it takes min 2-3 yrs before the recruiting pays off... Portal is immediate, HS is delayed.
Last yr was by far our best portal class, and it led to the best offense in school history. Our HS recruiting should start paying off this season and next season and beyond.
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If you consider CAM to be the entirety of our portal class then you're right. But what led to our offense being what it was mainly consisted of all hs pick ups. Our oline had one portal person I believe, our #1/1b rb was a portal pick up #4 wr was a portal pick up and our #3 te was a portal pick up. Other than with Cam we would've been perfectly fine without any of them, maybe you can make the case for Damien as well but it's a stretch. The pieces that made our offense go **** NEAR ALL were hs pick ups.
 
Brooklyndee said:
If you consider CAM to be the entirety of our portal class then you're right. But what led to our offense being what it was mainly consisted of all hs pick ups. Our oline had one portal person I believe, our #1/1b rb was a portal pick up #4 wr was a portal pick up and our #3 te was a portal pick up. Other than with Cam we would've been perfectly fine without any of them, maybe you can make the case for Damien as well but it's a stretch. The pieces that made our offense go **** NEAR ALL were hs pick ups.
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Cam should have won heisman, Barrow was 1st team ALL-ACC, Martinez was the best RB we've had in a while, Baron and Brown were solid and very talented though we didn't get the most out of them. And starting Center and safety. So A) had a good portal class last year - certainly the best one we had up to that point under mario. Then I'd say Cam absolutely was the difference in us having the best offense in our programs history, and not. So B) some of those portal players were directly responsible for us reaching that peak. Sure OLine and Wrs were mostly HS guys. But that is more setting the foundation to be good to very good. Cam made it truly elite.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
If you consider CAM to be the entirety of our portal class then you're right. But what led to our offense being what it was mainly consisted of all hs pick ups. Our oline had one portal person I believe, our #1/1b rb was a portal pick up #4 wr was a portal pick up and our #3 te was a portal pick up. Other than with Cam we would've been perfectly fine without any of them, maybe you can make the case for Damien as well but it's a stretch. The pieces that made our offense go **** NEAR ALL were hs pick ups.
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Martinez was RB1. No letters afterwards. Running. Back. One.
 
Calinative said:
Cam should have won heisman, Barrow was 1st team ALL-ACC, Martinez was the best RB we've had in a while, Baron and Brown were solid and very talented though we didn't get the most out of them. And starting Center and safety. So A) had a good portal class last year - certainly the best one we had up to that point under mario. Then I'd say Cam absolutely was the difference in us having the best offense in our programs history, and not. So B) some of those portal players were directly responsible for us reaching that peak. Sure OLine and Wrs were mostly HS guys. But that is more setting the foundation to be good to very good. Cam made it truly elite.
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You specified it led to our best offense. So I only illustrated it's relevance to the offense. Using that same example while it definitely had some nice pieces on the defense, it also had parts that show you exactly why you can count on the portal continuously especially on the defensive side of the ball. No dispute on Cam. I already said he was essential.
 
RVACane said:
Those guys play for conference and even national championships. They hit on a lot of guys. On top recruits, we hit on Francis. Lyle is very good. Bain had a good freshman year. Hopefully some DL step up.
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Brother, Ohio state has dropped out of the top 5 in recruiting class rankings only once since 2016.
This hit rate you talk about is a direct correlation of how many elite recruits they land. Evaluation takes care of itself.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Martinez was RB1. No letters afterwards. Running. Back. One.
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Yes he was. The letters afterwards illustrate his role and his production. His 100 plus snaps could've been distributed to multiple backs and more than likely we'll still account for the same if not more than he physically contributed. Not a shot against him at all. I think we should've used him a lot more and in a very different role. But as I explained to y'all last year when you'd all get in your feelings and say we should give his carries to Fletcher and Lyle(happened often y'all said that by the way, hence 1a/1b etc) his role wasn't really in most instances about gains and exploiting his strengths. It was about wearing down a front 7 so we'd get more time and more production out of our passing game and late game opportunities. Nobody apparently understands the concept of a dive. THAT could've easily been accounted for by Fletcher or even lofton. Semantics I suppose.
 
Calinative said:
Or it takes min 2-3 yrs before the recruiting pays off... Portal is immediate, HS is delayed.
Last yr was by far our best portal class, and it led to the best offense in school history. Our HS recruiting should start paying off this season and next season and beyond.
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That’s the answer. Mario had good to great classes in 2023 and 2024, but most were not ready to meaningfully contribute on year one.

In the last twenty years the only wide receiver that I’ve seen had a strong year one contribution was Ahmmon Richards.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Yes he was. The letters afterwards illustrate his role and his production. His 100 plus snaps could've been distributed to multiple backs and more than likely we'll still account for the same if not more than he physically contributed. Not a shot against him at all. I think we should've used him a lot more and in a very different role. But as I explained to y'all last year when you'd all get in your feelings and say we should give his carries to Fletcher and Lyle(happened often y'all said that by the way, hence 1a/1b etc) his role wasn't really in most instances about gains and exploiting his strengths. It was about wearing down a front 7 so we'd get more time and more production out of our passing game and late game opportunities. Nobody apparently understands the concept of a dive. THAT could've easily been accounted for by Fletcher or even lofton. Semantics I suppose.
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I think I understand what you are saying now. Martinez was the best RB, but we underutilized him. And for what we asked of our RBs last season, Fletcher served much the same role well enough.

IMO Martinez is the best RB we've had here since Duke Johnson.
 
Brooklyndee said:
If we took up your stance on going to the portal for a lot of it we'd be in a situation VERY similar to fspoo. You can't go to the portal for the base of your squad. Need longevity & familarity for that.
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I'd argue the real difference is that Miami hit on their QB last year while FSU didn't. This year as well with Beck vs the BC kid they brought in.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I think I understand what you are saying now. Martinez was the best RB, but we underutilized him. And for what we asked of our RBs last season, Fletcher served much the same role well enough.

IMO Martinez is the best RB we've had here since Duke Johnson.
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Exactly. Not only that but as a result we didn't really give Allen much of a shot and being honest he may have been our second best back if not potentially being more explosive than Damien. Far as Damien being best back since Duke is probably agree. Only one I'd say maybe would've been better would be if we actually used Gus how he should've been. I think if we give Lyle the brunt of the snaps this season he's gonna make some people forget about any receiver concerns. That kid can be really good.
 
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