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[Calinative]

If something happens to Beck this year, it’ll be bad. There’s no one after him.

Can you name Georgia, Clemson, Ohio St, Notre Dame, PSU, Oregon, etc backup QB? I mean maybe this teams do have good options. But i guarantee none of them have proven jack **** - which is what the standard every player on our team is held to apparently...

The reality is if your stating QB goes down for an extended period of time, just about every team in the country and NFL is mostly ****ed. If that weren't the case we wouldn't be paying Beck likely double what the next highest paid player on the team makes.

So yeah if something happens to Beck we are ****ed. But I just don't see the problem in it really. There is one starting QB a season. If you want to spend $1M+ on a backup, that's 1-2 legit starting players in opportunity cost elsewhere on the roster. I mean the strategy has to be multiple $2M QBs and have them compete, or just one very expensive QBs (like Ward/ Beck) and then cheap depth that you hope develops. We saw how well the strategy we've chosen can work last year. Imo you go big at QB and just accept that if you get injured we are ****ed.

 

[Brooklyndee]

If something happens to Beck this year, it’ll be bad. There’s no one after him.

Depends what you consider bad. As far as excitement and a real offense yeah it'll be pretty bland not necessarily bad. If Dawson is worth **** he would just pivot into the exact game plan that Mario gets blamed for anyhow. Wed play physical ball & end of the day this offensive line can dominate against any basic acc defense if it's told get downhill and run block consistently. Notre Dame and clemson, possibly NC State are only interior lines that might hold up against us just selling out run and seriously dialing back the passing game. Fspoo regressed the way they did because ZERO aspects of their team were a strength. Our running game alone is built to dominate

 

[Calinative]

Depends what you consider bad. As far as excitement and a real offense yeah it'll be pretty bland not necessarily bad. If Dawson is worth **** he would just pivot into the exact game plan that Mario gets blamed for anyhow. Wed play physical ball & end of the day this offensive line can dominate against any basic acc defense if it's told get downhill and run block consistently. Notre Dame and clemson, possibly NC State are only interior lines that might hold up against us just selling out run and seriously dialing back the passing game. Fspoo regressed the way they did because ZERO aspects of their team were a strength. Our running game alone is built to dominate

If Beck were to get hurt imo if it's a 1 game type we just go with Emory, but if it's a 3+ game injury I'd be pretty ****ed if we didn't throw Nickel about there and see if he sunk or swam.

 

[Calinative]

I think I understand what you are saying now. Martinez was the best RB, but we underutilized him. And for what we asked of our RBs last season, Fletcher served much the same role well enough.

IMO Martinez is the best RB we've had here since Duke Johnson.

Travis Homer was shockingly underrated, but yes I agree. Duke then Martinez as far as actual quality of RB. Homer was probably actually better production honestly though. And on last year's team I actually think Homer and Fletcher would have been a better 1-2 punch than Martinez and Fletcher. Of course I only say that because I don't think there is anyway this staff would not give Fletcher >100snaps. Like Martinez + Homer would be very dope and far better than Fletcher+Homer imo. Even if Lyle was entering his 2nd year Martinez + Lyle I think would have been incredible. I really hope Fletcher can start breaking some **** Tackles this year and not exclusively be a 5yard back.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I'd argue the real difference is that Miami hit on their QB last year while FSU didn't. This year as well with Beck vs the BC kid they brought in.

You'd be arguing just for the sake of an argument. But I respect the commitment. Nothing was similar in the least. You would've simply seen a VERY different offensive game plan. Because we got Cam we were able to employ a game plan that we truly wanted to. If we didn't we would've ran a different offense. Just think our early 2k offenses when Kenny was the QB and then what that same offense turned into when derrick had to come in or we just pulled back the dogs. We just phased into a possession offense instead of an explosive offense exploiting defense all over the field. Anyone that knew what they were looking at knew what fspoo was for the last two seasons. Last season they lost both aspects of what made them click between a QB who thrived under pressure and a running game that was very complimentary to what they were able to do. They replaced that with dj uwannalaylay and nothing in the running game. It was obvious as **** they were gonna struggle heavily. With us no matter what any of y'all says, we have a dominant offensive line and running backs who if prioritized in game plan would make you pay. QB is a whole different topic I'm not gonna argue at all. I'd love to know what we have beyond Beck. I know Cool hand Luke impresses me. But until he gets meaningful snaps we won't have a clue what we really got.

 

[hoops156]

Exactly. Not only that but as a result we didn't really give Allen much of a shot and being honest he may have been our second best back if not potentially being more explosive than Damien. Far as Damien being best back since Duke is probably agree. Only one I'd say maybe would've been better would be if we actually used Gus how he should've been. I think if we give Lyle the brunt of the snaps this season he's gonna make some people forget about any receiver concerns. That kid can be really good.

I like AJ better than anyone on the roster not named DM at RB. Lyle I hope is a stud

 

[Brooklyndee]

I like AJ better than anyone on the roster not named DM at RB. Lyle I hope is a stud

If he would've been someone we recruited out of highschool opposed to a transfer he would've got ALLOT more burn. Gotta prioritize hs recruits just for the sake of relationships and showing our blueprint. It's too bad. I think he could've been very good for us. Like a Clinton kind of back.

 

[RVACane]

Depends what you consider bad. As far as excitement and a real offense yeah it'll be pretty bland not necessarily bad. If Dawson is worth **** he would just pivot into the exact game plan that Mario gets blamed for anyhow. Wed play physical ball & end of the day this offensive line can dominate against any basic acc defense if it's told get downhill and run block consistently. Notre Dame and clemson, possibly NC State are only interior lines that might hold up against us just selling out run and seriously dialing back the passing game. Fspoo regressed the way they did because ZERO aspects of their team were a strength. Our running game alone is built to dominate

We should be able to win 7-8 games on bro ball. And we might just do that with our line. But after Beck we have Emory and Judd. Luke is a freshman and not one I see as the week 4 starter type.

 

[Brooklyndee]

We should be able to win 7-8 games on bro ball. And we might just do that with our line. But after Beck we have Emory and Judd. Luke is a freshman and not one I see as the week 4 starter type.

Did you see Dorsey as a true freshman week 4 starter type?

 

[Calinative]

We should be able to win 7-8 games on bro ball. And we might just do that with our line. But after Beck we have Emory and Judd. Luke is a freshman and not one I see as the week 4 starter type.

Idk man if you look at any true freshman that starts you could probably say the same. You just really have no idea what will happen until bullets are flying. Of course you have to expect them to have very bad moments. It's be crazy if a 17/18 year old didn't!. I watched every game of Jared Goffs career, and he was 6'4 and probably 170lbs as a true frosh at Cal and won that starting job lol. Dude was literally a twig. If you told me he'd start I'd call you crazy. But he could throw and his HC/OC was Dykes. Of course they did a lot of losing, but it **** sure wasn't because of QB play. It's really about the system and what you ask them to do. Like look at Emory and how we won with him. I just don't see Nickel being worse than Emory under basically any circumstance....

 

[RVACane]

Did you see Dorsey as a true freshman week 4 starter type?

I saw Dorsey. I also saw Emory so I know that’s not gonna help us and I don’t think Judd helps either. We don’t know what Luke will needs I wouldn’t bank on him for instance , in week 4. If we lose Beck, it’ll be serious bro ball the rest of the way which is the right approach in bad circumstances

 

[RVACane]

Idk man if you look at any true freshman that starts you could probably say the same. You just really have no idea what will happen until bullets are flying. Of course you have to expect them to have very bad moments. It's be crazy if a 17/18 year old didn't!. I watched every game of Jared Goffs career, and he was 6'4 and probably 170lbs as a true frosh at Cal and won that starting job lol. Dude was literally a twig. If you told me he'd start I'd call you crazy. But he could throw and his HC/OC was Dykes. Of course they did a lot of losing, but it **** sure wasn't because of QB play. It's really about the system and what you ask them to do. Like look at Emory and how we won with him. I just don't see Nickel being worse than Emory under basically any circumstance....

I’d take my chances on nickel. I don’t think he’ll be ready early but I’d go that way if we lost Beck.

 

[Stats02]

I saw Dorsey. I also saw Emory so I know that’s not gonna help us and I don’t think Judd helps either. We don’t know what Luke will needs I wouldn’t bank on him for instance , in week 4. If we lose Beck, it’ll be serious bro ball the rest of the way which is the right approach in bad circumstances

IIRC, wasn’t there a lot of high praise for Dorsey coming out of camp as a true freshman? I know the internet and message boards were still relatively young, so we didn’t have 24/7 access to players and progress reports like we do now. But I do remember hearing that Dorsey was going to be “the guy” after Kenny Kelly left. Nobody wanted KK to lose his season to an injury, but we didn’t feel like the season was over. At least I didn’t. Sure, I would have rather KK be in there, but I was pretty confident and comfortable that Dorsey would still perform well enough to win the games we should. Can’t say I feel that way about Emory or even Nickel up to this point.

Never really heard that type of positive reports for Emory. There were a few from last year that said he was looking just “ok”, but nothing that he was a bonafied starter after Cam left. Basically a quality back-up for his entire college career. Now, the reports coming out of this spring camp this year is he looks horrible. Not even P4 back up material.

 

[RVACane]

IIRC, wasn’t there a lot of high praise for Dorsey coming out of camp as a true freshman? I know the internet and message boards were still relatively young, so we didn’t have 24/7 access to players and progress reports like we do now. But I do remember hearing that Dorsey was going to be “the guy” after Kenny Kelly left. Nobody wanted KK to lose his season to an injury, but we didn’t feel like the season was over. At least I didn’t. Sure, I would have rather KK be in there, but I was pretty confident and comfortable that Dorsey would still perform well enough to win the games we should. Can’t say I feel that way about Emory or even Nickel up to this point.

Never really heard that type of positive reports for Emory. There were a few from last year that said he was looking just “ok”, but nothing that he was a bonafied starter after Cam left. Basically a quality back-up for his entire college career. Now, the reports coming out of this spring camp this year is he looks horrible. Not even P4 back up material.

It was so long ago I can’t remember. I’ll take your word for it. And like you, that’s my point I guess - we don’t have much to rely on at the qb spot if Beck goes down. I get that’s a lot of teams’ issues today , and I feel better about Nickel than Emory and Judd, but it’s still not where I’d want to be. I’d feel better if nickel was here for a year already.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I saw Dorsey. I also saw Emory so I know that’s not gonna help us and I don’t think Judd helps either. We don’t know what Luke will needs I wouldn’t bank on him for instance , in week 4. If we lose Beck, it’ll be serious bro ball the rest of the way which is the right approach in bad circumstances

The point with Kenny was as a true freshman we knew a lil about him after camp cause he was doing his thing ,(much like Luke) but we didn't know what we really had on our hands. Didn't think we had any reason to have to start a true freshman multiple games that season and expect good results... Howd that work out for us. Not at all saying expect lightning to strike twice. Simply saying don't assume you know what you're gonna get unless we're in that situation. Emory or Judd we'd be playing some bro ball. Less often with Emory than most would think. All the same it would be dialed back significantly. With Luke I'm not sure how exactly we have to play. But we'd have the pieces in place to let him show who he is. I get everyone feels the need to constantly **** on us. Maybe people should save some of that **** for their own households and at least employ some adult depends around here. No one likes a back seat driver and even less of us like a Madden all American. To clarify I'm not saying that in context to you brother. You and I will always be good. Just speaking in generalities. Let us prove who we are again before any assumptions are made.

 

[Brooklyndee]

IIRC, wasn’t there a lot of high praise for Dorsey coming out of camp as a true freshman? I know the internet and message boards were still relatively young, so we didn’t have 24/7 access to players and progress reports like we do now. But I do remember hearing that Dorsey was going to be “the guy” after Kenny Kelly left. Nobody wanted KK to lose his season to an injury, but we didn’t feel like the season was over. At least I didn’t. Sure, I would have rather KK be in there, but I was pretty confident and comfortable that Dorsey would still perform well enough to win the games we should. Can’t say I feel that way about Emory or even Nickel up to this point.

Never really heard that type of positive reports for Emory. There were a few from last year that said he was looking just “ok”, but nothing that he was a bonafied starter after Cam left. Basically a quality back-up for his entire college career. Now, the reports coming out of this spring camp this year is he looks horrible. Not even P4 back up material.

If we're speaking about the fan base there was virtually no hype for Kenny. He wasn't even considered the #2 QB. After camp we saw plenty out of him internally but hype was measured because Kk was a sophomore. He was just starting to play with a lil more consistency and was getting plenty of praise. Luke is getting far more early hype and coming out of camp it was very similar to how Kenny was. Just like with Kenny we shouldn't have any reason to throw him into the fire any time soon. But we should also have no fear in knowing if he's capable in that moment. No point in putting that energy in the world though. So I'm shutting up and expecting Carson to get through the year just fine and barely touched. Thanks.

 

[Stats02]

If we're speaking about the fan base there was virtually no hype for Kenny. He wasn't even considered the #2 QB. After camp we saw plenty out of him internally but hype was measured because Kk was a sophomore. He was just starting to play with a lil more consistency and was getting plenty of praise. Luke is getting far more early hype and coming out of camp it was very similar to how Kenny was. Just like with Kenny we shouldn't have any reason to throw him into the fire any time soon. But we should also have no fear in knowing if he's capable in that moment. No point in putting that energy in the world though. So I'm shutting up and expecting Carson to get through the year just fine and barely touched. Thanks.

I guess that I remember different. I do remember hearing hype for Ken Dorsey. Nobody was saying he was going to be the starter and unseat Kelly for the ‘99 season, we all knew that wasn’t happening. There was a lot of rumor (which turned out to be true) that the 99 season would be Kelly’s last season due to his pursuit of professional baseball. Most of us were not worried about Kelly leaving early and who would be the starter for ‘00 because of all the positive reports of the tall, skinny kid from California.

Just like in 2001 when Wills McGahee was an absolute monster in spring camp, according to all the reports. The season came and he wasn’t our featured back and really didn’t have much of a role, but I distinctly remember all the news coming out of camp that he was the next big thing. Just had to wait another season. I know McGahee has nothing to do with this, but I’m using him as an example, because the hype was there for him, just like Dorsey 2 years prior. They both happened.

Nickel does have a lot of hype, but Dorsey was more polished based on the reporting that I remember. Agree on Carson, he’s going to be just fine. Our o-line is going to give him all day back there.

 

[kyle_schick]

Depends what you consider bad. As far as excitement and a real offense yeah it'll be pretty bland not necessarily bad. If Dawson is worth **** he would just pivot into the exact game plan that Mario gets blamed for anyhow. Wed play physical ball & end of the day this offensive line can dominate against any basic acc defense if it's told get downhill and run block consistently. Notre Dame and clemson, possibly NC State are only interior lines that might hold up against us just selling out run and seriously dialing back the passing game. Fspoo regressed the way they did because ZERO aspects of their team were a strength. Our running game alone is built to dominate

Like how we dominated with the backup against POWERHOUSE Iowa State last year in the poptart bowl?

Without a top 5 QB, we're a 4 win team.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

We should be able to win 7-8 games on bro ball. And we might just do that with our line. But after Beck we have Emory and Judd. Luke is a freshman and not one I see as the week 4 starter type.

I'd take my chances with Luke any day over Emory OR Judd. Kid's a gamer.

 

[RVACane]

I'd take my chances with Luke any day over Emory OR Judd. Kid's a gamer.

I agree. I don’t think he’s a day 1 or month 1 starter and very few are but if left that choice, I would go with him over the other two. I’m shocked Emory is still here after what I saw from him. I expected him to transfer to Valdosta State somewhere like that.