Oh no the name calling...my feelings.
You really are obsessed with my posts, it is funny. Pathetic too.
I'm sure you would love to believe someone is obsessed with your posts, it goes with the rest of your narcissistic personality.
I think you really are simple. I have explained why Marrone had success and Schiano didn't have the same type of success. I didn't change the argument at all, I merely stated that:
1. Marrone had success quicker than Schiano (i.e. winning season and bowl win in year 2 v. Schiano taking 5/6 seasons),
2. Marrone beat Schiano head to head (2 to 1), and
3. Marrone won the conference and Schiano did not
None of these are opinions, they're all facts.
Oh, I'm the simple one but using these simple facts of yours to back up opinions I guess makes you the complex thinker. Nice bait and switch and thanks for posting your taking points, Al Golden. But since you like to keep it nice and simple here are some facts for you.
1. Marrone never played in a BE with Miami, VT, which have stated on record to be the reason for Schiano winning later on (side note: why are you not using the same criteria to judge both? Kind of contradictory don't you think?).
2. Marrone posted his first winning season playing NO team that finished the season ranked in conference or out of it. Three of those 8 wins were against Akron, Colgate, Maine (side note: Is season really the season your using as part of your quick turnaround argument for highly successful Marrone? Didn't you say Schiano started winning by beating these same type of teams? Again, Why are you not judging them using the same criteria?)
3. In Marrone's 2 winning seasons he played a total of 1 team that finished the season ranked
4.From the period of 2005 to 2011 (seven seasons) Schiano playing a revamped BE consisting of West Virgina, Louisvillie, South Florida, Pitt., Cinn., UConn, produced 1 losing season over a seven year period. During this time facing the teams above he had a 25-24 record. (Side note: often used by you as a criticism of Schiano but not for the highly successful Marrone, what gives?)
5. From the period 2009 to 2012 (four seasons) playing in a BE with West Virgina, Louisvillie, South Florida, Pitt., Cinn., UConn produced 2 losing seasons. Yes 2 over a 4 year period. During his time facing those teams had a conference record of 11-17 (side note: I guess this a success for you? And does this indicated he would have had a winning record in the old BE?)
6. During their time together in the BE from 2009 to 2011, Marrone's had a conference record of 6-15 and Schiano had a record of 8-13 (side note: Since were using a 2-1 head to head match to draw some conclusions, what does this say? Did Schiano outpreform Marrone when facing same conference competition or not?)
As for your speculations on Marrone and how he would have done at Cuse if he was there at 2001...I don't know. Considering he beat Schiano when Schiano already had Rutgers running and Cuse was down, I would say Marrone would have beaten Schiano a bunch more. Again, this is speculation. Also irrelevant.
One more fun fact, Marrone was actually improving Buffalo from 6 to 9 wins. Schiano regressed. One last time, I am really praising Marrone for the speed at how he turned it around at a dead program.
What is your point about listing these "fun facts"? This convo started with you saying that coaches need to be successful in order to leave college for the NFL. I named O'Brien as an example of someone that was mediocre and received a NFL job, you argued that he was successful then added Marrone was as well. According to you, O'Brien was highly successful because he sanctions/transfer. Marrone was highly successful because he tied for the BE and had two winning seasons producing one his second year. Did I get all that? So wtf does their records in the NFL have to do with anything about landing a job from college?
Marrone, Schiano, O'Brien produced similar mediocre records and all landed NFL jobs but you seem to think they were all highly successful to land those gigs. So why don't you go ahead and tell us what made Schiano so highly successful landing him an NFL gig?
O'Brien/PSU lost the following kids:
1. Transfers: PSU lost about 18 kids via transfer (
A complete list of Penn State's departures).
So, out of those 18 transfers 9 left for personal reasons. 1 got kicked off. How did highly successful O'Brien compete without those studs that mostly ended up being career backups?
2. 2012 Recruits: 5 Kids de-commit and 2012 Total Commits: 19 Total (down -6) [to get down for 2014]
LMAO, how do decommits count as scholorships lost?
3. Sanctions Year in 2013-14 Academic Year or 15 New Ships available (down -10)
So he lost about 30-34 players over that time. He was successful (considering the sanctions/transfers) and he won coach of the year.
LMAO, what happened to 40? Even with your wonky numbers you don't get to 40, you're not making chit up are you? And the sanctions were reduced in 2013 then restored all together in 2014 (see usa today link). Keep on trying to figure out new ways to justify your silly arguments, Conman.
NCAA to gradually restore Penn State scholarships
Here let me help you out .
Getting to 67: A look at Penn State football's scholarship players for 2013 | PennLive.com
So a max of 18 scholarships players is what he was missing not 40. I'm sure these sanctions and scholarship reductions were crippling in your eyes even though PSU has a famed walk on program that doesn't count against scholarship limits. So tell why was O'Brien not subjected to your must win a conference championship criteria in order to a be success when he took over a team that was division co-champs the year before under Joe Paterno and only lost 1 impact player?