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I'm not going to keep responding to all these dummies that say Brown isn't a good hire because of how Michigan lost to Ohio State. In 3 of his 5 seasons, Brown had top 3 defense nationally. Top 3. If you want the program to get back to where it was, it starts with crushing the ACC coastal. Brown isn't going to give up 42 points to NC St and UVA. Get the defense settled with good recruiters and staff, then in 2 years when Brown retires Diaz can go out and get the Lashlee equivalent from a G5. Right now Diaz needs someone who doesn't need adult supervision on defense.
 
TimeB0mb said:
I'm not going to keep responding to all these dummies that say Brown isn't a good hire because of how Michigan lost to Ohio State. In 3 of his 5 seasons, Brown had top 3 defense nationally. Top 3. If you want the program to get back to where it was, it starts with crushing the ACC coastal. Brown isn't going to give up 42 points to NC St and UVA. Get the defense settled with good recruiters and staff, then in 2 years when Brown retires Diaz can go out and get the Lashlee equivalent from a G5. Right now Diaz needs someone who doesn't need adult supervision on defense.
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Exactly. We need an adult.
 
RedSquare said:
excellent (top 10) defenses 4 years in a row. this year the wheels came off the wagon. it can happen.

he's an excellent DC by any measure. I'd take him in a heartbeat
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NO HE IS NOT.

I hate standing on a soap box, but Don Brown is a trash defensive coordinator and runs the exact same scheme Baker does -- aggressiveness for aggressiveness' sake.

The stats are entirely skewed because he gets to beat on the dumpster fires that were/are Rutgers, Maryland, MSU, and Illinois every season. And even "good" teams in the Big 10 (like Iowa) do not have great offenses.

Whenever he's played an elite offense, Brown's defense gets TORCHED. OSU put 56 points on them and Wisconsin dropped 35 in 2019. The Buckeyes dropped 62 in 2018, and followed that up by giving up 45 to Florida in the bowl game.

I'm too lazy to look up the articles, but the statistical analysis on this guy against good/elite offensive teams is ATROCIOUS. He would be an awful, awful, AWFUL hire.

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www.si.com

The Glaring Issue For The Wolverines Defense The Last Five Seasons

Don Brown has been very good about 80% of the time while at Michigan but there have been some pretty serious issues at times.
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detroitjockcity.com

Michigan Football: Somehow Don Brown remains on Harbaugh’s staff

Michigan football and head coach Jim Harbaugh has oddly elected to retain defensive coordinator Don Brown for the 2020 season.
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these convo’s are more nuanced than you guys are talking. Don brown was the defensive coordinator for a team with a mediocre Michigan offense. Without getting in my NCAA road to glory coaching bag let me tell you that you should account for that. There is a correlation there lol
 
TimeB0mb said:
So you are basing your hire based on how his defense fared against one of the best teams in CFB with something like 18 5 star players on the roster. Great way to evaluate. Baker gets torched by UVA and NC St. Brown gets torched by Ohio State. Obviously the same thing. Someone needs to fire that overrated Bama DB coach whoever he is because he stinks and got torched by the Gators and Lane Kiffin earlier in the season.

Let me guess, you think the right guy for the job is an inexperienced G5 DC whose team didn't play a single P5 program, as you think that's the guy who can help an inexperienced HC.
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Just because Baker is the wrong guy doesn't make Brown the right guy.

Brown often got to play against offenses that were ranked 100th or lower. He wouldn't get to face that in the ACC as regularly as he did in the ACC, and his defense STUNK this year. His ability to beat up on the dregs of college football skews the rankings in his favor and gives a misleading impression of how "dominant" his defenses were, really.

He would be the absolute wrong hire. And that's before looking at whether he's a cultural fit, which he's not.
 
Rellyrell said:
U know Don was our 1st choice before Manny. We’ve been craving Don; again I like to look at trends; so I would love to know where his defense started and finished at BC prior to taking the UM job.
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Before his arrival, BC was 71st (5.6) and 63rd (5.58) on D in yards per play in 2011-2012

In 2013, BC was 92nd in ypp (5.92) in Don's first year.
In 2014 and 2015 they jumped up to 30th (5.13) and then 1st (4.07).

Since he left, BC was 25th (5.09), 48th (5.37), 35th (5.17), 110th (6.33) in 2016-2019
 
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RVACane said:
Exactly. We need an adult.
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Some of the posters must be 12 years old to not remember the exact same things being said about Venables at Oklahoma. He feasts on bad teams, gets torched by good teams. The thing that matters is attention to detail. I want to see that DC can reliably shut down bad teams. If he can do that, it's pretty much an automatic 10 wins in the ACC. Then you add a dynamic offense, and when that defense plays a high powered offense, maybe it gives up 42 points (instead of 62 like with Baker) and the offense puts up 50. You can't reliably shut down high powered offenses in modern CFB, only slow them down. Ask that Bama DB coach (I can't quite remember his name) or Venables about the NC game last year. Brown can do that for Miami. Diaz doesn't have the luxury of time to hire a DC who can grown into the position anymore. If he doesn't win 9 or 10 in the next 2 years, he's probably gone. He has to hire an experienced guy who can fix the biggest defensive flaws and let Diaz focus on being a CEO type coach instead of having to constantly keep an eye on the defense. I get that there are new flavors of the month at DC. Go after one of those DCs and roll the dice in two years, but not now.
 
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So Brown got his *** spanked vs ohio st.... Baker got his *** spanked vs unc.... Listen if you don't want Brown, cool. But your reason being he was dog **** vs a top team nationally year in and year out is not the example to use lol.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Some of the posters must be 12 years old to not remember the exact same things being said about Venables at Oklahoma. He feasts on bad teams, gets torched by good teams. The thing that matters is attention to detail. I want to see that DC can reliably shut down bad teams. If he can do that, it's pretty much an automatic 10 wins in the ACC. Then you add a dynamic offense, and when that defense plays a high powered offense, maybe it gives up 42 points (instead of 62 like with Baker) and the offense puts up 50. You can't reliably shut down high powered offenses in modern CFB, only slow them down. Ask that Bama DB coach (I can't quite remember his name) or Venables about the NC game last year. Brown can do that for Miami.
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Don Brown has the stature to hire the position coaches these guys are crying for and to keep LB’s home - you know, the ones that spurned us for ———— Michigan.

He’s not good enough though so we cool. I’m sure we’d be Marcus Freeman’s only offer.
 
PSU Cane said:
Before his arrival, BC was 71st (5.6) and 63rd (5.58) on D in yards per play in 2011-2012

In 2013, BC was 92nd in ypp (5.92) in Don's first year.
In 2014 and 2015 they jumped up to 30th (5.13) and then 1st (4.07).

Since he left, BC was 25th (5.09), 48th (5.37), 35th (5.17), 110th (6.33) in 2016-2019
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Thanks my bro; so it appears the chit show in Ann Arbor is more of anomaly. Talked to my frat who’s by far thee most annoying Michigan grad & fan I’ve ever known. Lol. He said Don was solid, but what irked him & their fans was his inability to adjust to talent level. He said Michigan was very young on the backend, and despite the pups struggling with the speed of the game, Don refused to come off his press man defense & give them help.

He’s indifferent to the firing b/c when Michigan’s Def was on, they were on, but when the talent was out matched or exploited, he was stubborn to it. That was his viewpoint. He said a lot of fans felt that way.
 
Torocane said:
I remember CMR was waiting on Aranda. Literally the day after lsu got Aranda he hired manny
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Yessir. What could’ve been. Lol. Still remember Aranda saying our O wasn’t complicated to defend. Boy was he right. Lol.

And when I said Brown being “our 1st choice”, I was more less speaking on C.I.S want, not Richt. Lol
 
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CaneThang2020 said:
Yep we'll take him. DC/LB coach and clearly has developed his LBs at Michigan and at BC. We need an experienced veteran like him. I would even say bring him on as a Co-DC/LB coach and keep Banda as a Co-DC. Still need a CBs coach unless we're going to assign Banda as DC/Secondary coach. Then we just move Patke as full time ST coach and allow him to train under Brown's LB coaching tutelage.
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No, get rid of everyone. We're not keeping Baker and Patke to suck in another role.
 
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