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Does Valentine recommit to UM?

Biggest thing in UM favor is that he didn't commit on his visit this weekend.........(unless he is a silent)
 
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He left LSU without committing...and his Bio still has this photo..

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Does this mean anything??? Am I reading to much into it? Only time will tell.....
 
Man, if we close by bringing TV back and taking JC Jackson away from UF and Treon away from FSU, it would be an awesome finish.
 
As I posted elsewhere

Biggest thing in UM favor is that he didn't commit on his visit this weekend.........(unless he is a silent)
 
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You're reading too much into the picture.

However, it is a good thing that he left without committing to them.
 
CANE4LIFE said:
There is a whole racket with guys like Genron, where they work as "scouts" for bullsh*t recruiting services that have direct ties to certain schools and boosters from those schools. They are basically paid to hustle kids to certain schools, take them on unofficial visits, block out other programs, etc. The NCAA has tried digging into this before, including everyone's good friend Charles Fishbein's shady @ss operation that was employing street agents and he had to fire at least one after the NCAA came after them.

People dont realize the entire industry that exists in many places to hustle these kids and college programs.
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The NCAA doesn't have the savvy or wherewithal to dig into this shady racket in south Florida. They'd have to turn into an elite intelligence outfit with covert agents to penetrate this mess. They're a bunch of naive midwestern bureaucrats with no real power to investigate--heck, their investigative powers are so weak that they had to resort to threats and extortion just to try to get information in our case. The improprieties of their actions is just evidence of their weakness.

One of the problems that people have identified is the problem of coaches employed by the high schools. I don't know how many of these are public schools, but it seems like it might be a violation of some code of ethics, if not an outright crime, for public employees (which these coaches presumably are) to accept some kind of benefit for delivering, or at least, directing a kid, to a particular program. If it is not covered by a law, or at least an enforceable code of conduct, it should be.

If lawmakers in Florida cared enough---maybe they could write a law that would regulate, if not outright ban, the activities of the street agents. I said "maybe."

As far as the poster who said "prove" that LSU is paying, such as an ESPN article or something, you'll never find it. If courts required direct proof of every crime, and did not permit circumstantial proof, the criminals would really be running wild. You'll never find it. But what about all the stories about Dwayne Bowe?-if I'm sitting a thousand miles away and believe, based on dozens and dozens of message board posts over the years, that something was not right with Bowe's ending up at LSU, or Patrick Johnson Peterson, then I'm going to suspect LSU. Please remember, college football is the second religion of southerners, or maybe the third after their real religion and hunting and guns (the second religion). You don't mess with their religions. And don't call me anti-southern, anti-religious, or anti-gun----because I'm not.

I don't know what's at play in the Valentine case---but is it true Genron accompanied him? It might be one thing for a HS coach to go on the trip, which is unusual--but street agent, plus TV's mother? It all sounds like maybe the "closing" where they finalize a "deal." Sorry, something still smells.
 
RiDLer80 said:
You're reading too much into the picture.

However, it is a good thing that he left without committing to them.
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A public commitment means nothing...if there is a deal going down. Why is Genron, the street agent, on the trip? Is he just an altruistic adviser who spends all this time just "advising" and "counseling" and "mentoring" a young man out of the goodness of his heart? What does Genron do for a living? He posts here occasionally, why doesn't he show up now and explain the nature of his livelihood and tell me he's not benefitting somehow from this?

I'm not saying he is doing something shady, but what is his role? Why does he do this? Again, how does he earn his living? Who is he? Does he report all his income to the IRS? Has he been audited? Maybe he should be.

Back in the mid-80's, when Jimmy Johnson was new on the scene, a kid he wanted badly, a track star and football player, was stolen from us at the last minute. I remember the kid, and the school where he ended up. It seemed very clear at the time that something went down to send him to that school. Our athletic director, Sam Jankovich, was seething mad--he made a public statement that the IRS should be auditing the parents of these kids who were apparently pocketing substantial income that was not being reported to the IRS. (I guess the IRS is too busy trying to cripple conservative groups).

And there were a couple of linemen from Illinois that our assistant coach Hubbard Alexander thought we had in the bag--until the Illinois DL coach who was a bagman himself bought the kids. That Illinois coach ended up our DL coach a few years later--irony of it all.

The whole business is dirty and we've been a victim much more than we've benefitted, yet we're the ones who end up punished--maybe because we're amateurs and the other schools are professionally dirty.

Now, I'm not saying this is the case at all with TV, but again, why is Genron on the visit, if indeed he is? Who is he? How does he support himself? What is his role?

Why does any HS player need a Genron?

Let him come back here and post, he can refute anything I'm implying, let him shoot me down.
 
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TheMatador said:
CANE4LIFE said:
There is a whole racket with guys like Genron, where they work as "scouts" for bullsh*t recruiting services that have direct ties to certain schools and boosters from those schools. They are basically paid to hustle kids to certain schools, take them on unofficial visits, block out other programs, etc. The NCAA has tried digging into this before, including everyone's good friend Charles Fishbein's shady @ss operation that was employing street agents and he had to fire at least one after the NCAA came after them.

People dont realize the entire industry that exists in many places to hustle these kids and college programs.
Click to expand...

The NCAA doesn't have the savvy or wherewithal to dig into this shady racket in south Florida. They'd have to turn into an elite intelligence outfit with covert agents to penetrate this mess. They're a bunch of naive midwestern bureaucrats with no real power to investigate--heck, their investigative powers are so weak that they had to resort to threats and extortion just to try to get information in our case. The improprieties of their actions is just evidence of their weakness.

One of the problems that people have identified is the problem of coaches employed by the high schools. I don't know how many of these are public schools, but it seems like it might be a violation of some code of ethics, if not an outright crime, for public employees (which these coaches presumably are) to accept some kind of benefit for delivering, or at least, directing a kid, to a particular program. If it is not covered by a law, or at least an enforceable code of conduct, it should be.

If lawmakers in Florida cared enough---maybe they could write a law that would regulate, if not outright ban, the activities of the street agents. I said "maybe."

As far as the poster who said "prove" that LSU is paying, such as an ESPN article or something, you'll never find it. If courts required direct proof of every crime, and did not permit circumstantial proof, the criminals would really be running wild. You'll never find it. But what about all the stories about Dwayne Bowe?-if I'm sitting a thousand miles away and believe, based on dozens and dozens of message board posts over the years, that something was not right with Bowe's ending up at LSU, or Patrick Johnson Peterson, then I'm going to suspect LSU. Please remember, college football is the second religion of southerners, or maybe the third after their real religion and hunting and guns (the second religion). You don't mess with their religions. And don't call me anti-southern, anti-religious, or anti-gun----because I'm not.

I don't know what's at play in the Valentine case---but is it true Genron accompanied him? It might be one thing for a HS coach to go on the trip, which is unusual--but street agent, plus TV's mother? It all sounds like maybe the "closing" where they finalize a "deal." Sorry, something still smells.
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Its impossible for them to stop it. The NCAA has no subpoena authority. Most of that stuff is all done in cash. There is no way for them to actually catch most of these coaches and street agents doing anything. The only time they get anything done, is when they can tie one of these "services" to a program, like they did with Oregon, and start snooping around, and then the program has to suddenly cut all ties, or do the "mea culpa" and act all shocked that they were hiring a bunch of shady hustlers as "scouts". Its gotten 10 times worse now with the 7 on 7 stuff. Now you have yet ANOTHER layer of shady hustlers involved with that, so even if the HS coaches arent up to their eyeballs in it, the coaches and leeches hanging around the 7 on 7 teams are having a feast hustling these kids and their families.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
JWG324 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
A lot of hot air but still no proof that TV is getting paid, other than female gossip
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You're never gonna have proof, but you can use your common sense.
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Common sense would dictate that you go with the explanation that you can prove with facts. Perhaps if we had no other facts that would suggest reasons for TV picking LSU would it then make sense to start speculating.
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As I've said, past history that seems credible with LSU. Bowe and Peterson. Let their fans come on this board and challenge it. They never have.

Again, circumstantial...you'll never have direct proof. Analogy to the legal system where it's good enough in many cases to meet the very high burden for a criminal conviction, i.e., beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
TheMatador said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
JWG324 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
A lot of hot air but still no proof that TV is getting paid, other than female gossip
Click to expand...

You're never gonna have proof, but you can use your common sense.
Click to expand...

Common sense would dictate that you go with the explanation that you can prove with facts. Perhaps if we had no other facts that would suggest reasons for TV picking LSU would it then make sense to start speculating.
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As I've said, past history that seems credible with LSU. Bowe and Peterson. Let their fans come on this board and challenge it. They never have.

Again, circumstantial...you'll never have direct proof. Analogy to the legal system where it's good enough in many cases to meet the very high burden for a criminal conviction, i.e., beyond a reasonable doubt.
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agreed..these types of allegations can always be discounted by asking where is the proof. the proof really is all the anecdotal evidence over many years of situations that defy logic. nobody will ever come to this board with direct evidence so everyone asking for it stop.
 
TheMatador said:
RiDLer80 said:
You're reading too much into the picture.

However, it is a good thing that he left without committing to them.
Click to expand...

A public commitment means nothing...if there is a deal going down. Why is Genron, the street agent, on the trip? Is he just an altruistic adviser who spends all this time just "advising" and "counseling" and "mentoring" a young man out of the goodness of his heart? What does Genron do for a living? He posts here occasionally, why doesn't he show up now and explain the nature of his livelihood and tell me he's not benefitting somehow from this?

I'm not saying he is doing something shady, but what is his role? Why does he do this? Again, how does he earn his living? Who is he? Does he report all his income to the IRS? Has he been audited? Maybe he should be.

Back in the mid-80's, when Jimmy Johnson was new on the scene, a kid he wanted badly, a track star and football player, was stolen from us at the last minute. I remember the kid, and the school where he ended up. It seemed very clear at the time that something went down to send him to that school. Our athletic director, Sam Jankovich, was seething mad--he made a public statement that the IRS should be auditing the parents of these kids who were apparently pocketing substantial income that was not being reported to the IRS. (I guess the IRS is too busy trying to cripple conservative groups).

And there were a couple of linemen from Illinois that our assistant coach Hubbard Alexander thought we had in the bag--until the Illinois DL coach who was a bagman himself bought the kids. That Illinois coach ended up our DL coach a few years later--irony of it all.

The whole business is dirty and we've been a victim much more than we've benefitted, yet we're the ones who end up punished--maybe because we're amateurs and the other schools are professionally dirty.

Now, I'm not saying this is the case at all with TV, but again, why is Genron on the visit, if indeed he is? Who is he? How does he support himself? What is his role?

Why does any HS player need a Genron?

Let him come back here and post, he can refute anything I'm implying, let him shoot me down.
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Were not the only program that has been caught, Bama has been caught I dont know HOW many times. The difference is, because UM was flashy and so hated nationally, it was much bigger news. Its also made worse because UM is a small private school, where even the local community cannot be counted on to back the program. The local media in So Fla spends more time digging for dirt and trying to make a name for itself trying to stir up "controversy" around UM as it does supporting anything it does. **** most of the alumni are from rival programs in the state.

Bama doesnt have to deal with that in Tuscaloosa, or the entire state for that matter. UT doesnt have to deal with that in Austin. OSU doesnt have to deal with that in Columbus. There, not only is the media totally compliant and supportive of the program, but the entire community bends over backwards to defend and support the program. UM has NO cover if/when things go bad. And it doesnt have the deeply rooted alumni and booster networks that those programs have. In Bama or Texas, all a coach has to do is pick up the phone, and players have no show jobs, players families get hired for jobs, new cars show up, etc. UM doesnt have that. So instead, one little sniveling jock sniffer gets butt hurt and creates a "national scandal" for supposedly buying a few dinners at Benihana and giving a few bucks to some kids playing pool or at a strip club. That kind of sh*t is a DAILY occurence in the $EC. Good buddy of mine who I have worked with for years is a former OL for Bama. He says after the games, he would have pockets STUFFED with envelopes and 100 bills from boosters giving them the post game "hand shakes".
 
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