Does the voting committee learn a lesson?

[clg003]

Needing to win your conferences devalues out of conference games. If you lose two games in college football you're done.

top 5 and 3 wild cards who can be from anywhere.

 

[NJshoreCane]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

They basically backed in.
Sittin' pretty while 10 other teams are busting their *** to get one of the four spots.

 

[kalinis]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

They basically backed in.
Sittin' pretty while 10 other teams are busting their *** to get one of the four spots.

ohio state had a better resume and penn state didn't get left out for osu, they got left out for Washington who was number 4 ranked team, when u look at who they beat who teams played penn state other then beating osu didn't have the resume

losing to Clemson shouldn't change that. Clemson would of whooped penn state also. Clemson is a team on a mission and acc has proven to be best conference this bowl season so losing to pitt wasn't so bad, the acc is 8-3 in bowl season and has winning records on yr vs big 10 and sec easily I believe is 7-2 vs big 10 and 9-4 vs sec. that's counting reg season

remember this isn't an osu vs penn state argument. osu was 3rd team in not 4th. Washington beat out penn state and Michigan and winsconsin and all them and lets not forget penn state had 2 losses one of them to an 8-4 pitt team

 

[Jonnyblaze]

8 team playoff, no byes, no automatic inclusion for conference champs.

**** no. You'd end up with 6 of the 8 teams from the SEC and Big Ten.


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[RiDLer80]

the third? best team in the conference got thumped by Clemson.. why is the third best team in a conference in the playoff?

Ohio State was one of only four power-5 teams in the country with one loss or less. How were they the third best team in their conference?

At worst they were second in the Big Ten. They were one of two teams with only one conference loss.

 

[RiDLer80]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

Since when is one loss worse than two losses? Penn State's two losses mattered more than Ohio State's one loss. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[DaU83]

The wins should hold more weight. Especially head to head, and especially because OSU was skating by some pretty bad teams throughout the season.

 

[Sully]

I think you take the five power conference champions plus three and call it a day.

 

[DaU83]

the third? best team in the conference got thumped by Clemson.. why is the third best team in a conference in the playoff?

Ohio State was one of only four power-5 teams in the country with one loss or less. How were they the third best team in their conference?

At worst they were second in the Big Ten. They were one of two teams with only one conference loss.

fine, the SECOND best team in the the EAST division of the big 10 got thumped by clemson.. why is the secnod best team in their division in the playoff?

 

[passitback]

Needing to win your conferences devalues out of conference games. If you lose two games in college football you're done.

top 5 and 3 wild cards who can be from anywhere.

Such an obvious solution to the bull****. Let these clowns in the media weigh in on 6-8.

 

[NJshoreCane]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

They basically backed in.
Sittin' pretty while 10 other teams are busting their *** to get one of the four spots.

ohio state had a better resume and penn state didn't get left out for osu, they got left out for Washington who was number 4 ranked team, when u look at who they beat who teams played penn state other then beating osu didn't have the resume

losing to Clemson shouldn't change that. Clemson would of whooped penn state also. Clemson is a team on a mission and acc has proven to be best conference this bowl season so losing to pitt wasn't so bad, the acc is 8-3 in bowl season and has winning records on yr vs big 10 and sec easily I believe is 7-2 vs big 10 and 9-4 vs sec. that's counting reg season

remember this isn't an osu vs penn state argument. osu was 3rd team in not 4th. Washington beat out penn state and Michigan and winsconsin and all them and lets not forget penn state had 2 losses one of them to an 8-4 pitt team

The process of elimination has to start somewhere.
Conference Champions will do that.
Also, it will eliminate the human element.
Every team in the country will know that if they win their conference championship, they are in. Cut and dry.
No committee other than the selection of the at-large teams. If a team is upset about not being selected as an at-large, too bad. Win your conference.
The committee then seeds the tourney regardless of CC or not.
This year would have been:
Bama'
PSU
Clemson
Washington
OU

At-large:
OSU
MICH
Flip a coin between FSU and USC (no more than 2 at-large teams from 1 conference)

 

[NJshoreCane]

Some say ooc schedules will be watered down.
They will not. At large teams with aggressive ooc scheduling will have an advantage.

 

[NJshoreCane]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

It didn't matter that OSU lost to PSU.

 

[kalinis]

If you extend the playoff to 8 teams (6 won't happen because too many would about byes) then you'll have 2-loss and maybe 3-loss teams in the playoff. By doing so you would absolutely ruin the best regular season in all of sports.

You mean to tell me you think Oklahoma deserved a shot at championship after getting worked by Houston and Ohio State? Or Michigan did after losing to both Ohio State and Iowa?

Had Penn State not lost to Pitt they definitely would've been in the playoff instead of Ohio State. Instead, a regular season loss matters and they miss the playoff.

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

They basically backed in.
Sittin' pretty while 10 other teams are busting their *** to get one of the four spots.

ohio state had a better resume and penn state didn't get left out for osu, they got left out for Washington who was number 4 ranked team, when u look at who they beat who teams played penn state other then beating osu didn't have the resume

losing to Clemson shouldn't change that. Clemson would of whooped penn state also. Clemson is a team on a mission and acc has proven to be best conference this bowl season so losing to pitt wasn't so bad, the acc is 8-3 in bowl season and has winning records on yr vs big 10 and sec easily I believe is 7-2 vs big 10 and 9-4 vs sec. that's counting reg season

remember this isn't an osu vs penn state argument. osu was 3rd team in not 4th. Washington beat out penn state and Michigan and winsconsin and all them and lets not forget penn state had 2 losses one of them to an 8-4 pitt team

The process of elimination has to start somewhere.
Conference Champions will do that.
Also, it will eliminate the human element.
Every team in the country will know that if they win their conference championship, they are in. Cut and dry.
No committee other than the selection of the at-large teams. If a team is upset about not being selected as an at-large, too bad. Win your conference.
The committee then seeds the tourney regardless of CC or not.
This year would have been:
Bama'
PSU
Clemson
Washington
OU

At-large:
OSU
MICH
Flip a coin between FSU and USC (no more than 2 at-large teams from 1 conference)

when u look at the resume it matters, we can't just say win your conference your in. that would make it so no one would schedule anyone out of conference,

this year was an anomaly in way things have been also. its first year u had a 2 loss conference champ while a team with 1 loss was in there league, the comitte has a list of things to determine the final 4

conference championships do matter when u put teams resume up and they are close or tied, in this case though it was a conference champ that beat out osu, now we can debate why osu was ranked higher then Washington and why Washington a 1 loss conference champ got in over penn state which lost to a 3 loss usc in rose bowl if u want.

the honest opinon is the comitte has a thankless job. they have to determine the top 4 teams and its never gonna be easy , if we went to 8 teams we would argue who should of been the 8 seed and the 7 seed and we need a 16 team playoff etc, I am fine with way cfp is now.

its always gonna be hard to pick the perfect 4 but committee does a good job usually. at least so far, I still maintain Clemson is on a mission and would of killed penn state also.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Ohio State regular season loss to Penn State head-to-head should've mattered more. That's why everyone is complaining lol.

They basically backed in.
Sittin' pretty while 10 other teams are busting their *** to get one of the four spots.

ohio state had a better resume and penn state didn't get left out for osu, they got left out for Washington who was number 4 ranked team, when u look at who they beat who teams played penn state other then beating osu didn't have the resume

losing to Clemson shouldn't change that. Clemson would of whooped penn state also. Clemson is a team on a mission and acc has proven to be best conference this bowl season so losing to pitt wasn't so bad, the acc is 8-3 in bowl season and has winning records on yr vs big 10 and sec easily I believe is 7-2 vs big 10 and 9-4 vs sec. that's counting reg season

remember this isn't an osu vs penn state argument. osu was 3rd team in not 4th. Washington beat out penn state and Michigan and winsconsin and all them and lets not forget penn state had 2 losses one of them to an 8-4 pitt team

The process of elimination has to start somewhere.
Conference Champions will do that.
Also, it will eliminate the human element.
Every team in the country will know that if they win their conference championship, they are in. Cut and dry.
No committee other than the selection of the at-large teams. If a team is upset about not being selected as an at-large, too bad. Win your conference.
The committee then seeds the tourney regardless of CC or not.
This year would have been:
Bama'
PSU
Clemson
Washington
OU

At-large:
OSU
MICH
Flip a coin between FSU and USC (no more than 2 at-large teams from 1 conference)

when u look at the resume it matters, we can't just say win your conference your in. that would make it so no one would schedule anyone out of conference,

this year was an anomaly in way things have been also. its first year u had a 2 loss conference champ while a team with 1 loss was in there league, the comitte has a list of things to determine the final 4

conference championships do matter when u put teams resume up and they are close or tied, in this case though it was a conference champ that beat out osu, now we can debate why osu was ranked higher then Washington and why Washington a 1 loss conference champ got in over penn state which lost to a 3 loss usc in rose bowl if u want.

the honest opinon is the comitte has a thankless job. they have to determine the top 4 teams and its never gonna be easy , if we went to 8 teams we would argue who should of been the 8 seed and the 7 seed and we need a 16 team playoff etc, I am fine with way cfp is now.

its always gonna be hard to pick the perfect 4 but committee does a good job usually. at least so far, I still maintain Clemson is on a mission and would of killed penn state also.

With the 3 at large selections , out of conference scheduling would be critical.

Make it 8 and stick to 8. It's not only thankless, it is impossible to select 4 teams when you have the teams playing completely different schedules. How do you choose whose better between Alabama and, let's say OSU when they play 2 completely different schedules in different conferences?

Remember in '06 when everyone thought OSU and Michigan were far and away the 2 best teams in the nation and some though they should play for a rematch for the NC?

Heck, a week ago, everyone thought OSU was the second best team in the country.

The truth is we really don't know. So why limit the field to 4?
With 5 conference champions you are at least choosing a team that has played at least half of their schedule against common opponents compared to teams in their conference. That's a more tangible process than an "eye test".

I agree with you on Clemson. They win Monday night.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Penn State looks good... Should not have been *. Need to win your conference?

We just need an 8 team play off

Then we need 16,.....32.......64.......

Can u imagine a NCAAF tourney! I'm in!

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Penn State didn't belong. The only problem with Ohio State is JT "Little Game" Barrett. He is an absolute embarrassment. I posted that on several sites in late 2015, when Urban Meyer made the incomparably ignorant decision to bench Cardale Jones and his 8.3 YPA in favor of Little Game. Barrett responded predictably, with a pathetic 6.7 YPA. He has tunnel vision under pressure and makes petrified throws with little accuracy or touch. That results in laughable performances in big games like 3.9 YPA in the loss to Michigan State last season as 14 point home favorite, and 3.8 YPA last week against Clemson. Ohio State had a whopping 3 first downs late in the third quarter.

For the 2016 season, Barrett again posted 6.7 YPA, which is awful for a program of that caliber. Penn State's quarterback averaged 9.3.

I can't believe Meyer wastes all that young talent and coaching ability by failing to recognize that Barrett is a flawed overmatched quarterback. Barrett ruined the 2015 playoffs by allowing Michigan State's entry and he ruined that semifinal game last week via runaway incompetence. Minus that injury in 2014 he would have ruined the 2014 playoffs also, and very likely handed Nick Saban another national championship. No chance Ohio State puts up that many points in the semi if Barrett plays instead of Cardale Jones. And from there Alabama merely would have had to push around a soft Oregon team.

JT Barrett won the nod over Cardale Jones due to the idiocy of "better all around player." That's the same flawed mindset as "playing great right now." Who the **** cares? If you have to resort to modifiers like "all around" or "right now" it means you have no clue what you are doing. Brilliance matters. USC received that "right now" tag throughout the deep portions of the season. It was laughable, just like the "all around" label is almost always fragile and meaningless. USC would have been shoved around by legit powers if it had advanced to the playoffs. There was a reason for those early losses. Many fundamental reasons and they would have surfaced in massive doses against a true powerhouse. Washington State likewise received the "right now" tag, as if somehow those early losses to Eastern Washington and Boise State didn't happen. I love preseason rankings because "right now" doesn't contaminate reality.