225Hurricane
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TVD time is NOW…the football GODS have spoken…everything thing happen the way they did…Enjoy the ride Family…
Should we have started with TVD and give him control from day one?
It appears that we should have given him the full playbook. If the D could keep up I feel like this would be a different season.
Post of the day....so true. CIS has the Monday Morningest of Monday Morning QBs.Our fan base is extremely fickle & unappreciative, we rival only Penn St & Ole Miss fans in those categories...
King carried this fckin team on his back last year, he was the reason why we even had an 8-3 record & would’ve been 9-3 if we played our full schedule but couldn’t because of covid.
We actually might’ve had an even better season last year if we played our original schedule, we would’ve played Mich St (before they became the top 10 team they are today), Temple, Wagner & Wake Forest.
He layed it all on the line for this team & won us games where he was clearly the best player on the field, how soon they forget how he played against LVille, NC St, FSU & how he lead us to a comeback victory vs VA Tech.
Plus it seems that people have forgotten how TVD played vs UVA & UNC, he’s been getting better but our fans are always so quick to anoint one QB after a couple games & trash another, but as soon as TVD has a bad game or two the same people trashing King will be trashing TVD & calling for Garcia.
It’s a false narrative that TVD would’ve won us more games if he started from game 1, the fact is, we’re barely winning games with him now because despite how well he’s played the last two weeks we still have one of the worst defenses in the ACC & that’s the main culprit as to why we lost all 4 of the games we’ve lost this year.
Thank god we didn’t start TVD. We kept it close.Bama would've eaten TVD alive. He wasn't ready.
This. The offense looks a lot different because Lashlee isn’t calling plays with one hand tied behind his back. King was a good deep ball passer at Houston but never looked comfortable throwing downfield here. The offense was more tailored to his athletic ability and not his throwing ability. It’s why we looked like Auburn under Malzahn so much last year. With how poor the line run blocks, they really put way too much on King’s legs, literally and figuratively. If opponents want to load the box now, they will get beat over the top.King was great last szn, but he is extremely limited as a passer. I’ve posted his deep ball accuracy stats several times. He simply can’t stretch the field.
Once Clemson exposed him last year, that was it. Stack 8 in the box and make him beat you deep. He can’t.
Great kid, great athlete, limited QB.
@TimeBum Ahh Michigan State is not a really really good team. They are decent. And if you know about today's game you know that Michigan gave the game away and practically every controversial and not so controversial call went their way. They beat a losing Nebraska team by 3 points and a really woeful Indiana team by 5 and had to slug it out with powerhouse Western Kentucky.
And forget TVD if King had been healthy the whole game the Canes could have pulled it off. There qb was stinking up the place. And they really only had one receiver as a weapon and the other was the running back which the U bottled up pretty good in the first half. A better coach would have doubled that receiver and brought more folks in the box on obvious running downs. (But of course even then you got to get the back on the ground)
Remember we could have gone up 14-3 but Mallory dropped the easiest pass in the end zone. And on MSU's first scoring drive Kam Kinchens dropped an interception in the end zone that could possibly have been run back for a big gain. And then right at the end of the half the defense gave up a big play that lead to them scoring right before the half. MSU didn't think they could beat the U until they realized how poor tacklers the D was and that King wasn't able to throw downfield. Can't revise history.
And this is why you never promise anyone anything. Especially the most important position on the team. Other guys, even if they like him, will have it in the back of their minds that one guy was handed the job, while everyone else had to work for it. Then when the one guy who was handed the job doesn't play as well as expected, things can get toxic in a hurry. I think we were seeing some of that at the end of last season, and even at the start of this season. ****, Perry bolted knowing the starting job was going right back to King as soon as he was healthy enough to play. Perry had his faults, but I think the O looked far better when he came in against Oklahoma State. That was pretty eye opening for me. When the backup comes in and runs the O to **** near perfection, it certainly makes you ask some questions about the starter.Manny promised King the job before he transferred. No way would he have started DVD. That said, there were rumors that Lashlee and King did not see eye to eye.
Exactly! Plus the intangibles that he brought. No way TVD is this good without the mentoring of KingOur fan base is extremely fickle & unappreciative, we rival only Penn St & Ole Miss fans in those categories...
King carried this fckin team on his back last year, he was the reason why we even had an 8-3 record & would’ve been 9-3 if we played our full schedule but couldn’t because of covid.
We actually might’ve had an even better season last year if we played our original schedule, we would’ve played Mich St (before they became the top 10 team they are today), Temple, Wagner & Wake Forest.
He layed it all on the line for this team & won us games where he was clearly the best player on the field, how soon they forget how he played against LVille, NC St, FSU & how he lead us to a comeback victory vs VA Tech.
Plus it seems that people have forgotten how TVD played vs UVA & UNC, he’s been getting better but our fans are always so quick to anoint one QB after a couple games & trash another, but as soon as TVD has a bad game or two the same people trashing King will be trashing TVD & calling for Garcia.
It’s a false narrative that TVD would’ve won us more games if he started from game 1, the fact is, we’re barely winning games with him now because despite how well he’s played the last two weeks we still have one of the worst defenses in the ACC & that’s the main culprit as to why we lost all 4 of the games we’ve lost this year.
If TVD's first games are against App ST and Mich St then by the time we play UVA and UNC Lashlee would've opened up the playbook for him a la Pitt and NCST.The staff did not F up by starting King v. Alabama.
We did F up by continuing to play King the next two games when he was being held together with bubblegum and toothpicks.
With that said, our 1-2 record with D'Eriq King would have been no different than with Tyler Van Dyke.
I guess if you think we would have won those one-score losses over UVA and UNC with a TVD running start...ok.
King’s ability to make the correct reads in many of the RPO plays this year we’re REALLY holding this offense backManny promised King the job before he transferred. No way would he have started DVD. That said, there were rumors that Lashlee and King did not see eye to eye.
Manny Fvcked up personnel up and down the roster. Lashlee fvcked up keeping handcuffs on TVD. BOT fvcked up not firing Blake and manny after unc.Should we have started with TVD and give him control from day one?
It appears that we should have given him the full playbook. If the D could keep up I feel like this would be a different season.
They’re a mirage just like us in 17. But they’re winning so whatever.@TimeBum Ahh Michigan State is not a really really good team. They are decent. And if you know about today's game you know that Michigan gave the game away and practically every controversial and not so controversial call went their way. They beat a losing Nebraska team by 3 points and a really woeful Indiana team by 5 and had to slug it out with powerhouse Western Kentucky.
And forget TVD if King had been healthy the whole game the Canes could have pulled it off. There qb was stinking up the place. And they really only had one receiver as a weapon and the other was the running back which the U bottled up pretty good in the first half. A better coach would have doubled that receiver and brought more folks in the box on obvious running downs. (But of course even then you got to get the back on the ground)
Remember we could have gone up 14-3 but Mallory dropped the easiest pass in the end zone. And on MSU's first scoring drive Kam Kinchens dropped an interception in the end zone that could possibly have been run back for a big gain. And then right at the end of the half the defense gave up a big play that lead to them scoring right before the half. MSU didn't think they could beat the U until they realized how poor tacklers the D was and that King wasn't able to throw downfield. Can't revise history.
And people want to RUN IT BACK with Manny who RUNS this abomination of a defense.Our fan base is extremely fickle & unappreciative, we rival only Penn St & Ole Miss fans in those categories...
King carried this fckin team on his back last year, he was the reason why we even had an 8-3 record & would’ve been 9-3 if we played our full schedule but couldn’t because of covid.
We actually might’ve had an even better season last year if we played our original schedule, we would’ve played Mich St (before they became the top 10 team they are today), Temple, Wagner & Wake Forest.
He layed it all on the line for this team & won us games where he was clearly the best player on the field, how soon they forget how he played against LVille, NC St, FSU & how he lead us to a comeback victory vs VA Tech.
Plus it seems that people have forgotten how TVD played vs UVA & UNC, he’s been getting better but our fans are always so quick to anoint one QB after a couple games & trash another, but as soon as TVD has a bad game or two the same people trashing King will be trashing TVD & calling for Garcia.
It’s a false narrative that TVD would’ve won us more games if he started from game 1, the fact is, we’re barely winning games with him now because despite how well he’s played the last two weeks we still have one of the worst defenses in the ACC & that’s the main culprit as to why we lost all 4 of the games we’ve lost this year.
100% Fact. What have you done for me lately.Our fan base is extremely fickle & unappreciative, we rival only Penn St & Ole Miss fans in those categories...
King carried this fckin team on his back last year, he was the reason why we even had an 8-3 record & would’ve been 9-3 if we played our full schedule but couldn’t because of covid.
We actually might’ve had an even better season last year if we played our original schedule, we would’ve played Mich St (before they became the top 10 team they are today), Temple, Wagner & Wake Forest.
He layed it all on the line for this team & won us games where he was clearly the best player on the field, how soon they forget how he played against LVille, NC St, FSU & how he lead us to a comeback victory vs VA Tech.
Plus it seems that people have forgotten how TVD played vs UVA & UNC, he’s been getting better but our fans are always so quick to anoint one QB after a couple games & trash another, but as soon as TVD has a bad game or two the same people trashing King will be trashing TVD & calling for Garcia.
It’s a false narrative that TVD would’ve won us more games if he started from game 1, the fact is, we’re barely winning games with him now because despite how well he’s played the last two weeks we still have one of the worst defenses in the ACC & that’s the main culprit as to why we lost all 4 of the games we’ve lost this year.
They’re a mirage just like us in 17. But they’re winning so whatever.