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NE Canes said:
Well, that’s a little hyperbolic, UGA is scoring 30 points a game but whatever.....

It really comes down to;

Are those SEC teams really as bad as the ACC teams we played and is our defense is really on par with Bama.

The answer is no to both. Stats just don't mattter especially when we play some of the poorest teams in footbal.
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Oh, the answer is no?

Who can argue with that.
 
NE Canes said:
Below average compared to who...? Miami? The ACC? UGA, scoring 30 points a game.
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NCstate averages 33. What about the other juggernauts you listed?
MSU- 16.3 ppg
MIZ- 22.3ppg
TENN- 20.7 ppg
UGA- 29.0 ppg (62nd of 123 teams)

The first 3 teams are among the lowest scoring in FBS
 
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Ironmanfootball said:
3 of the top 4 guys in the program are LB coaches.
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Who had a hard job recruiting linebackers given three long-time starters had the positions locked up till this season. Recruits do their homeowrk too, they will always want to see a pathway for them personally to get on the field.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Got this from Manny Navarro:

The Hurricanes are giving up the same amount of yards per play on defense as No. 1-ranked Alabama.
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Alabama's defense has struggled this season.

Ole Miss absolutely torched them.

They are playing way better as of late but this isn't your typical Bama defense of years past
 
DTP said:
NCstate averages 33. What about the other juggernauts you listed?
MSU- 16.3 ppg
MIZ- 22.3ppg
TENN- 20.7 ppg
UGA- 29.0 ppg (62nd of 123 teams)

The first 3 teams are among the lowest scoring in FBS
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Yes. But all against better teams. You are still using stats to prove a point.

You said UGA was below average. They are 4-2 and only lost to bama and UF. If 4-2 UGA is below average scoring 30 points a game then who is average? Who is above average? Tell me who is in the top 5 in scoring and yards and then tell me we are supposed to take these stats seriously.

30 points a game at 4-2 and you said below average.....

It is just hyberbole and now you are trying to back it up.

The entire point is you cannot directly compare the schedule we played vs the schedule Bama played and claim we are on the same level based on stats.
 
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DMoney said:
Total yards is probably not the best indicator.

Do you have stats for yards per pass/rush?
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Well if that’s the case, the top guy should give zero fcks for calling out his DC & keeping it real v. saying some bull chit like we’re 4th in the ACC as he defends his DC. What he could’ve said was “we still believe in our scheme, we’ve had success in our scheme, but our staff are always...
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yards per attempt, passing:

2020 -- 6.6 YPA (32nd overall)
2019 -- 6.9 YPA (34th overall)
2018 -- 5.6 YPA (2nd overall)
2017 -- 6.3 YPA (15th overall)
2016 -- 6.2 YPA (12th overall)


Yards per attempt, rushing (This is skewed somewhat because sacks count as rushing plays for the offense in college):

2020 -- 4.14 YPC (48th overall)
2019 -- 3.21 YPC (10th overall)
2018 -- 3.82 YPC (36th overall)
2017 -- 3.47 YPC (17th overall)
2016 -- 3.70 YPC (20th overall)

Average them over the past 5 years, we've had the 19th best pass defense in YPA and 26th best rush defense in YPC.

I would venture to bet there are not 8-10 teams in America who can match those numbers.

Which again goes back to what most people with a clue here say....it's consistently a very good and occasionally great defense. If you don't agree with that, I'm sorry, you're allowed to have your opinion, but it's still wrong.

And PS...yes, it's down THIS year. All the metrics bear that out. It's not a total sieve. But it's not as good as the previous 4 years thus far. Is it Baker? Is it the backers? Has the scheme changed? Not sure. But so far this year, the numbers are down. The past 4 years have consistently been very, very good. Put this offense with the 2018 defense and we probably go undefeated. You don't do that with some horrendous defense, like people around here like to claim that we have.
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I’m wondering if the backers have a big part. While we are giving up 6.6 in YPA in passes, we r giving up 11.10 YPC. It appears a lot of completions are happening in these soft areas and ran out for add’l yardage.
 
NE Canes said:
Yes. But all against better teams. You are still using stats to prove a point.

You said UGA was below average. They are 4-2 and only lost to bama and UF. If 4-2 UGA is below average scoring 30 points a game then who is average? Who is above average? Tell me who is in the top 5 in scoring and yards and then tell me we are supposed to take these stats seriously.

30 points a game at 4-2 and you said below average.....

It is just hyberbole and now you are trying to back it up.

The entire point is you cannot directly compare the schedule we played vs the schedule Bama played and claim we are on the same level based on stats.
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Dude what better teams are you talking about?

Other than being SEC what characteristic is there that's tangible?
 
NE Canes said:
Yes. But all against better teams. You are still using stats to prove a point.

You said UGA was below average. They are 4-2 and only lost to bama and UF. If 4-2 UGA is below average scoring 30 points a game then who is average? Who is above average? Tell me who is in the top 5 in scoring and yards and then tell me we are supposed to take these stats seriously.

30 points a game at 4-2 and you said below average.....

It is just hyberbole and now you are trying to back it up.

The entire point is you cannot directly compare the schedule we played vs the schedule Bama played and claim we are on the same level based on stats.
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You keep moving the goal posts. None of the teams I listed are good offensive teams. Georgia is the closest but statistically, they’re average at best. 80th in total offense out of 123 FBS teams who have played a game this year. 62nd in scoring offense which includes special teams and defensive touchdowns.
Does Alabama have way more talent on their defense than Miami? Yes. Should they be statistically way better than Miami? Yes. But they’re not and it’s not because they’ve played a bunch of good offenses. Like I said originally, Mississippi and Texas A&M are good offenses. Georgia is average at best and the rest are bad. FSU scores more than MSU MIZ and TENN. That’s how bad those teams are
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m wondering if the backers have a big part. While we are giving up 6.6 in YPA in passes, we r giving up 11.10 YPC. It appears a lot of completions are happening in these soft areas and ran out for add’l yardage.
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We get killed on those little misdirection dump offs to backs and tight ends. Two yard passes that end up going for 10+ because we don’t have a linebacker within 10 yards of the guy catching the pass. We tend to remember the few downfield passes that beat our DBs but we get gouged way more often on underneath stuff and short routes that pick up lots of YAC.
 
Our LB play is bum juice. We can’t get a pass rush due to excessive stunting and lack of coverage help. Our safety play has probably been the most reliable and without it we lose some games. Not saying they have been all world but the best unit on the team.
 
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Silver King said:
Who had a hard job recruiting linebackers given three long-time starters had the positions locked up till this season. Recruits do their homeowrk too, they will always want to see a pathway for them personally to get on the field.
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Tell that to: Bama, UGA, Clemson, OSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, LSU, etc who pull Blue Chip on Blue Chip every year regardless of who is in front of them on the depth.

If you prove that you 1- get freshmen on the field and 2- develop players who can go to the NFL early, recruits will care about that less and less.

Recruits do their HW and see two, four year starters who showed little to no growth. They see younger players buried behind bad upper classmen, they go elsewhere.
 
Only **** stat that matters is POINTS PER GAME.
When people talk about any other stat I just consider it an attempt to promote the few things that they're good at. (rather than what REALLY matters)

"We are #2 in the country in Passes Broken Up during night games and #3 in the nation at defending Capricorn Quaterbacks!"

We found something we're good at! Let's promote it!

As a DC the only stat I ever cared about was POINTS and how we measured up compared to other defenses on our opponent's schedule.
If we can hold an offense to their season lows, and play better than the other defenses on their schedule, then I'm happy with the way we played. You have to put things in perspective.

I think it says something about a defense (and their coordinator) when you're able to defend an offense better than the other 10-15 defensive staffs that were on that schedule. I do, however, understand that there's occasionally parody and outliers. We only gave up 223 yards and 14 points to Saint Thomas last season, both season lows for them. Then we turned around and gave up 18 points to freakin' Hallandale. Absolutely pathetic effort. Even Flanagan and South Broward held Hallandale to less points. I called a ****ty game and our kids were sleep walkin'.

Which brings me to my next point about defensive stats.
WHAT DO YOU DO VERSUS QUALITY OPPONENTS?
We can stroke each other to Sack and TFL stats all day but what have we done when facing an offense with a pulse? Nobody was talking about these stats after the LSU, Clemson and Wisconsin games. These stats are cool and all but they tend to be padded while facing inferior opponents.

We also don't usually measure up very well when being compared to common opponents. I've seen Duke put up better defensive performances versus common opponents. Now as I mentioned, parody and outliers happen, but we've seen this way too many times with our defense. We've seen QB's and WR's at lower level programs have career days. Why was Louisville's QB, RB and WR able to have a career day versus us...while racking up 500+ yards of offense and 34 points...when their offense has gotten skull fvcked several times since then? Turns out they weren't that good on offense, we just made them look that way. The same can be said for MANY other offenses we've faced during Baker/Manny's tenure. Let's not forget allowing Wisconsin's QB to throw the ball all over us while their True Freshman WR looked like Megatron. They didn't do that versus ANYBODY on their schedule that year.
 
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