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Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
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Most kids just want to play. On my HS team, I often got the back 7 or at least the DBs aligned and there were better athletes and players than me. Some wouldn’t care to read the game plan. Some didn’t understand it. Some weren’t prepared for an offense that shifted or showed something different. Played nearly 30 years ago (yikes), and things were even simpler back then, I think, but when opponents shifted or motioned, processing goes down the drain.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
That isn’t an intelligence thing. When my partner at Safety went down with injury, the teammate who stepped in was an elite student who ended up at top Uni and I think works in a hedge fund now. He was wildly lost on the wrong side of the formation sometimes. Knew his key, but if the key changed, chaos. ‘Seeing’ formations is just a skill. Find some guys who love football on your side. Find the guys who are lost on the other side. Pick on them. Profit.
Motion and shifting. My God, what a nightmare.
Pop Warner teams could do a better job of handling motion or shifting.
We looked like a clown show out there. That’s on Guidry. We may not have had the personnel, but the mishandling of motion/shifting, pre-snap misalignments, improper usage of stunts/blitz is 100% on Guidry.
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Seemed like Guidry defenses had too much going on in terms of communication & scheme and that’s why u saw guys brains completely explode whenever an opposing player went in motion..unnecessary stunts/loops completely giving up the edge, little to no adjustments and even tho the talent wasn’t the best seemed like Guidry did little to help them at least be in the right place to make play.
Gap integrity on front and
Communication on back end
Tackling
Pre-snap adjustments
Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play ?
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I think sometimes we make defensive scheme more complicated than it really is. At the end of the day, everybody is basically running the same defenses. Your base structure is usually some variation of a 3-4, 4-2-5, 4-3, or a similar front. Everybody is also running the same families of coverages: Quarters, Cover 2, Cover 3, man, match coverages, etc.
What separates a good defense from a bad defense isn’t necessarily what is drawn on the whiteboard. It’s how well you teach the rules of the defense, how clearly players understand their assignments, and most importantly, how you teach them to handle the things offenses do specifically to break those rules.
A well-designed offense understands the general rules of every coverage. They’re not just calling plays because they look good on paper. They’re calling route combinations designed to put a specific defender in conflict and force him to violate one of his coverage rules.
Take Cover 3 as a simple example. If I’m an offensive coordinator and I know you’re playing traditional Cover 3, I know your corner is responsible for the deep third and your underneath defenders have curl/flat and hook responsibilities. So I can attack that structure with something like a flood or sail concept. I can send one receiver vertical to occupy the deep-third defender, another receiver into the intermediate outside area, and a third receiver underneath into the flat.
Now I’m creating conflict. The corner can’t cover both the vertical route and the intermediate route. The curl/flat defender can’t cover both the intermediate route and the flat. Somebody is going to come open if everybody simply follows the basic rules exactly as they were taught on Day 1.
A good DC doesn’t just teach, “We’re in Cover 3, and this is your zone.” He teaches players to recognize formations, splits, releases and route combinations. He teaches them, “When you see this formation and No. 2 releases this way while No. 1 does that, here’s what the offense is trying to do to you, and here’s how our rules change.”
To me, that’s why you can watch two teams line up in what looks like essentially the same defense and one defense is terrible while the other is extremely difficult to attack. The difference isn’t always the scheme. It’s the rules within the scheme, how those rules are communicated, how quickly players can recognize offensive concepts, and whether the DC has answers for the offense’s answers. When the offense creates a conflict, does the defense have a built-in answer?
Because you can have the greatest defensive playbook in the world, but if your players have to think for two seconds before reacting, the offense has already won the rep.
To me, great defensive coaching is taking something complicated and making it simple enough that 11 guys can recognize the same problem and react to it together.
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Never assume someone shares your passion.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
Ironmanfootball
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My kids know nothing about ball. So we treat spring as a training camp and football school. Going over basic terms (like why is it called cover 3 etc), dl alignments, terms for different parts of the field (boundary, field, etc), o formations.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
Never assume they know. We cover all the basic words because I don’t want to ever give an adjustment during a game and they don’t want I’m talking about.
You have to have a common language.
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Yep! This is how we have to do it as well.My kids know nothing about ball. So we treat spring as a training camp and football school. Going over basic terms (like why is it called cover 3 etc), dl alignments, terms for different parts of the field (boundary, field, etc), o formations.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
Never assume they know. We cover all the basic words because I don’t want to ever give an adjustment during a game and they don’t want I’m talking about.
You have to have a common language.
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When I saw Guidry change scheme midseason I thought we had a star DC.
Then we the lack of communication on defense the following year was unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed. Missed assignments, unable to handle motion, poor tackling.
Then we the lack of communication on defense the following year was unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed. Missed assignments, unable to handle motion, poor tackling.
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I disagree. Miami’s roster was far too talented to rank near the bottom in virtually every meaningful defensive category. With the level of talent on that field, even an average, well-designed scheme should have kept this defense in the middle of the pack at worst. The complete inability to stop anyone was not a talent issue; it was a glaring indictment of the scheme.
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That’s why I love R4 on offense. It crates a dictionary.My kids know nothing about ball. So we treat spring as a training camp and football school. Going over basic terms (like why is it called cover 3 etc), dl alignments, terms for different parts of the field (boundary, field, etc), o formations.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
Never assume they know. We cover all the basic words because I don’t want to ever give an adjustment during a game and they don’t want I’m talking about.
You have to have a common language.
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Same. When I was still coaching I went through the whole thing.That’s why I love R4 on offense. It crates a dictionary.My kids know nothing about ball. So we treat spring as a training camp and football school. Going over basic terms (like why is it called cover 3 etc), dl alignments, terms for different parts of the field (boundary, field, etc), o formations.Yes it does. Question for you, have you noticed a lot of kids just not knowing basic football concepts? Which you do middle school so a little different but I coach varsity backers. Most kids have no clue basic shell coverages and just lack football knowledge in general. I’ll often times ask my players about games that have happened on Saturday’s and they just sit there and look at me. Maybe I was just a football nut in highschool. I was always glued to the TV on Saturdays.
Never assume they know. We cover all the basic words because I don’t want to ever give an adjustment during a game and they don’t want I’m talking about.
You have to have a common language.
My favorite was the call sheets
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Dyoni hill
Jadais richard
Daryll porter jr (playing nickel btw)
Meesh powell
Jaden harris
That’s “far too talented”?
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Dropping the DEs into coverage somewhat regularly was fun. Nothing like seeing Jayden Wayne in the flat trying to cover a RB.
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An overall inability to teach the scheme. An inability to teach the kids to play instead of think. An inability to teach the kids how to play quick without becoming unsound. It is not the scheme it is the detail that make a scheme work or not work. Our kids were not taught the winning details in a way that allowed them to play fast, sound, and aggressive football.
If the players are not getting it - dont change what you are teaching - change how you are teaching it. Be a Master teacher.
Our O-line is great not because of talent alone but because we have a master teacher coaching them. Watch closely and you will see him coach the same techniques but with different teaching style to different kids. Not everyone learns the same way.
If the players are not getting it - dont change what you are teaching - change how you are teaching it. Be a Master teacher.
Our O-line is great not because of talent alone but because we have a master teacher coaching them. Watch closely and you will see him coach the same techniques but with different teaching style to different kids. Not everyone learns the same way.