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Dismissed and grad transfers I am not super concerned about. Character counts, but CMR gives an opportunity, educates kids, and holds them accountable. It is what it is. I am however, a little concerned about kids transferring after year 1. Something to keep an eye on.
 
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Looking at Warriors list, wow, Richt has really cleaned house.

First of all, he had zero control or iimpact on what happened to Young/AQM/Grace, so I wouldn't even count them in this list.

Second, Njoku and Burns were 1st Rounders, and I think we should want more of these expected 3 and out kids on the team. We're in for several more in the coming years with guys like McIntosh, Norton, the Bermuda Triangle II kids, Donaldson..

Third, of the 27 remaining from that list:
-- 14 most would agree we saw/could expect little to no impact from Brady, Brown, Tucker, Washington, Grimsley, King, Loftus, James, Hamilton, Jones, Moore, O'Donnell, Knighton and Bruce.
-- 6 were arguably either decent depth guys or capable of becoming so in: Gayot, Wright, Allison, Edwards, Odogwu and Yearby.
-- 3 were starter, high rotational guys or potential rotational guys in Haskins, Jenkins and Kaaya.

So only 3 of 27 were high impact guys, on a team that still has several JAGs and unfilled scholarships, four if you want to be generous and count Odogwu. And Haskins was potential only ... who knows if he would have really hit the potential we saw in him. Richt put up with a lot of BS to keep him, apparently. That's not just a house cleaning, he flushed the toilet and replaced the septic tank.
 
grover said:
Looking at Warriors list, wow, Richt has really cleaned house.

First of all, he had zero control or iimpact on what happened to Young/AQM/Grace, so I wouldn't even count them in this list.

Second, Njoku and Burns were 1st Rounders, and I think we should want more of these expected 3 and out kids on the team. We're in for several more in the coming years with guys like McIntosh, Norton, the Bermuda Triangle II kids, Donaldson..

Third, of the 27 remaining from that list:
-- 14 most would agree we saw/could expect little to no impact from Brady, Brown, Tucker, Washington, Grimsley, King, Loftus, James, Hamilton, Jones, Moore, O'Donnell, Knighton and Bruce.
-- 6 were arguably either decent depth guys or capable of becoming so in: Gayot, Wright, Allison, Edwards, Odogwu and Yearby.
-- 3 were starter, high rotational guys or potential rotational guys in Haskins, Jenkins and Kaaya.

So only 3 of 27 were high impact guys, on a team that still has several JAGs and unfilled scholarships, four if you want to be generous and count Odogwu. And Haskins was potential only ... who knows if he would have really hit the potential we saw in him. Richt put up with a lot of BS to keep him, apparently. That's not just a house cleaning, he flushed the toilet and replaced the septic tank.
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I don't see nothing wrong here. This will pay off in spades within the next couple of years...
 
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imurcane said:
Dismissed and grad transfers I am not super concerned about. Character counts, but CMR gives an opportunity, educates kids, and holds them accountable. It is what it is. I am however, a little concerned about kids transferring after year 1. Something to keep an eye on.
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bruce got kicked off
allison wasn't really a richt recruit and saw the writing on the wall w perry, weldon, sit., etc.
 
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It looks like the programs is finally getting a facelift!! Why are we b!tching again?? We just won our first bowl game in how many years??
We expect our couch to take care of our team,.. Looking like he's doing just that!!
 
Cane Dynasty said:
grover said:
Looking at Warriors list, wow, Richt has really cleaned house.

First of all, he had zero control or iimpact on what happened to Young/AQM/Grace, so I wouldn't even count them in this list.

Second, Njoku and Burns were 1st Rounders, and I think we should want more of these expected 3 and out kids on the team. We're in for several more in the coming years with guys like McIntosh, Norton, the Bermuda Triangle II kids, Donaldson..

Third, of the 27 remaining from that list:
-- 14 most would agree we saw/could expect little to no impact from Brady, Brown, Tucker, Washington, Grimsley, King, Loftus, James, Hamilton, Jones, Moore, O'Donnell, Knighton and Bruce.
-- 6 were arguably either decent depth guys or capable of becoming so in: Gayot, Wright, Allison, Edwards, Odogwu and Yearby.
-- 3 were starter, high rotational guys or potential rotational guys in Haskins, Jenkins and Kaaya.

So only 3 of 27 were high impact guys, on a team that still has several JAGs and unfilled scholarships, four if you want to be generous and count Odogwu. And Haskins was potential only ... who knows if he would have really hit the potential we saw in him. Richt put up with a lot of BS to keep him, apparently. That's not just a house cleaning, he flushed the toilet and replaced the septic tank.
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lmao!!
 
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De-commitments during CMR Era:

2016 (25)
06/14/14 Chauncey Gardner Decommits (4 Star)
12/03/14 Dredrick Snelson Decommits (4 Star)
02/25/15 Keyshon Camp Decommits (3 Star)
03/15/15 Isaiah Johnson Decommits (4 Star)
06/08/15 Greg Simmons Decommits (3 Star)
06/10/15 McArthur Burnett Decommits (4 Star)
06/14/15 Devin Gil Decommits (3 Star)
06/19/15 Walvenski Aime Decommits (3 Star)
07/26/15 Amir Rasul Decommits (4 Star)
10/13/15 James Pierre Decommits (3 Star)
10/25/15 Ahmmon Richards Decommits (4 Star)
11/06/15 Izon Pulley Decommits (3 Star)
11/08/15 Joshua Uche Decommits (3 Star)
11/10/15 Zack Moss Decommits (3 Star)
11/12/15 Zach McCloud Decommits (4 Star)
11/28/15 Jawaan Taylor Decommits (3 Star)
12/11/15 Zach McCloud Re-Commits (4 Star)
12/12/15 Evan Hinson Decommits (3 Star)
12/16/15 Desmond Phillips Decommits (3 Star)
01/04/16 Jawon Hamilton Decommits (3 Star)
01/15/16 Reginald Henderson Decommits (2 Star)
01/21/16 Jaquwan Nelson Decommits (3 Star)
01/22/16 James Wiggins Decommits (3 Star)
01/27/16 Deion Jackson Decommits (3 Star)
02/02/16 Tyler Byrd Decommits (4 Star)
02/03/16 Latrell Williams Decommits (3 Star)
02/03/17 Ahmmon Richards Recommits (4 Star)
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2017 (15)
05/22/15 Todd Centeio Decommits (3 Star)
07/07/15 Kadeem Telfort Decommits (4 Star)
12/13/15 Tre’ McKitty Decommits (4 Star)
02/04/16 N’Kosi Perry Decommits (4 Star)
02/12/16 Aundre Kearney Decommits (3 Star)
02/20/16 Tyler Dunning Decommits (4 Star)
03/08/16 Kemore Gamble Decommits (4 Star)
03/19/16 N’Kosi Perry Recommits (4 Star)
05/10/16 Ahman Ross Decommits (3 Star)
06/13/16 Nick Roberts Decommits (3 Star)
07/20/16 Bentavious Thompson Decommits (3 Star)
08/03/16 Rodney Scott Decommits (3 Star)
10/03/16 CJ Henderson Decommits (4 Star)
10/08/16 Brian Edwards Decommits (4 Star)
12/15/16 Kevaughn Dingle Decommits (4 Star)
01/06/17 Billy Gibson Jr Decommits (3 Star)
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2018 (7)
10/26/15 Al Blades Decommits – 4 Star, Recommited
02/05/16 Billy Joseph Decommits – 3 Star - Dropped
04/06/17 Jalen Patterson Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped
05/03/17 Thomas Burns Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped, came to UM on track scholarship
06/06/17 Randy Russell Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - UF, retired for health issues, never played
06/18/17 Al Blades Recommits – 4 Star (#2)
11/01/17 Artur Sitkowski Decommits – 4 Star (#4) - Rutgers
12/16/17 Josh Jobe Decommits – 4 Star (#4) - Alabama

De-commitments duringTNM Era:
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2019 (13)
03/27/17 Akeem Dent Decommits – 5 Star (Class #9) - FSU
11/16/17 Derick Hunter Jr. Decommits – 162 (Class #8) - Texas A&M
03/24/18 Diamante Howard Decommits – 580 (Class #2)
04/02/18 Brieon Fuller Decommits – 216 (Class #2)
04/13/18 Brandon Cunningham Decommits – 392 (Class #4)
05/18/18 Jesiah Pierre Decommits – 606 (Class #6) - UF
05/21/18 Renato Brown Decommits – 546 (Class #11)
08/06/18 Denzel Daxon Decommits – 593 (Class #19)
11/04/18 Marcus Crowley Decommits – 573 (Class #20) - OSU
11/05/18 Cornelius Nunn Jr. Decommits – 499 (Class #22) - Syracuse
12/12/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Decommits – 723 (Class #29)
12/13/18 Jarvis Brownlee Decommits – 533 (Class #32)
12/15/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Recommits – 3 Star (725) (Class #34)
01/28/19 Jason Munoz Decommits – 3 Star (841), (Class #36) – Syracuse
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2020 (10)
04/17/18 Leonard Manuel Decommits – 5 Star – #13 (#1) - UF
05/08/18 Avantae Williams Decommits – 4 Star – #82 (#1) - Oregon
05/13/18 Jermaine Burton Decommits – 4 Star – #111 (#1) - LSU
10/17/18 Jonathan Denis Decommits – 4 Star – #312 (#1)
10/22/18 Elijah Roberts Decommits – 3 Star – #455 (#1)
12/13/18 Jaiden Francois Decommits – 3 Star – #486 (#2)
12/13/18 Keshawn Washington Decommits – 4 Star – #267 (#2)
12/13/18 Marc Britt Decommits – 4 Star – #83 (#3)
12/13/18 Henry Gray Decommits – 4 Star – #48 (#3)
02/03/19 Jaiden Francois Recommits – 3 Star – #403 (#3)
03/24/19 Keshawn Washington Recommits – 4 Star – #295 (#2)
04/08/19 Ladarius Tennison Decommits – 3 Star – #473 (#4)
06/13/19 Bryan Robinson Decommits – 4 Star – #96 (#5)
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2021 (2)
03/31/19 James Williams Decommits – 5 Star – #11 (#1)
06/13/19 Donell Harris Commits – 5 Star– #4 (#1)
 
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This is definitely a problem and I think Manny and staff are going to have to figure out something with these really early commits. I was poking around the Texas 247 board to see what was being said about Garcia (if anything) and there is a thread about Miami and our decommits.

Here are some posts:

Poster #1: I was just reading a different article and saw something about a Miami commit opening things back up, and it made me think... man, Miami sure seems start off hot and then have a ton of decommitments every year.
So, I was curious and just took a quick look by year, here are the numbers:
2016: 25
2017: 14
2018: 5
2019: 17
2020: 16
That is 77 decommitments over the course of only the last 5 classes. That's more than 15 decommitments per class, and that doesn't even count guys who dropped more than once... AND it's occurred over two different coaching staffs.
Are they doing something different than everybody else? That is just crazy to me, why would you accept these commitments when they're obviously BS from the start? Doesn't help perception, that's for sure.
Poster #2: My personal opinion, is that most of these guys are Miami kids and they dream of going to Miami, then they realize Miami really isn’t that good, and other teams from the south start pushing. But it’s pretty hilarious, in 2016 they had enough decommits to fill a whole class


Poster #3: I gotta think it's a combo of that, kids that "decommit" because they aren't going to qualify, and coaching turnover. But I'd think that would be turning at this point with Diaz going into his first full class... apparently not. He's at 16 decommits already, I don't get it.
****, they already have TWO 5-star decommits... in 2021!
Three random people on the TEXAS board talking about this. You KNOW it's being used against us with kids all the time. I think it's something that has to be addressed.

Unfortunately I couldn't answer any of them - their board is locked to non subscribers
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
This is definitely a problem and I think Manny and staff are going to have to figure out something with these really early commits. I was poking around the Texas 247 board to see what was being said about Garcia (if anything) and there is a thread about Miami and our decommits.

Here are some posts:

Poster #1: I was just reading a different article and saw something about a Miami commit opening things back up, and it made me think... man, Miami sure seems start off hot and then have a ton of decommitments every year.
So, I was curious and just took a quick look by year, here are the numbers:
2016: 25
2017: 14
2018: 5
2019: 17
2020: 16
That is 77 decommitments over the course of only the last 5 classes. That's more than 15 decommitments per class, and that doesn't even count guys who dropped more than once... AND it's occurred over two different coaching staffs.
Are they doing something different than everybody else? That is just crazy to me, why would you accept these commitments when they're obviously BS from the start? Doesn't help perception, that's for sure.
Poster #2: My personal opinion, is that most of these guys are Miami kids and they dream of going to Miami, then they realize Miami really isn’t that good, and other teams from the south start pushing. But it’s pretty hilarious, in 2016 they had enough decommits to fill a whole class


Poster #3: I gotta think it's a combo of that, kids that "decommit" because they aren't going to qualify, and coaching turnover. But I'd think that would be turning at this point with Diaz going into his first full class... apparently not. He's at 16 decommits already, I don't get it.
****, they already have TWO 5-star decommits... in 2021!
Three random people on the TEXAS board talking about this. You KNOW it's being used against us with kids all the time. I think it's something that has to be addressed.

Unfortunately I couldn't answer any of them - their board is locked to non subscribers
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A lot of class of 2016-19 were guys the new staff dropped.

2016 (25) drops or recommits 14
06/08/15 Greg Simmons Decommits (3 Star)
06/14/15 Devin Gil Decommits (3 Star)
10/13/15 James Pierre Decommits (3 Star)
10/25/15 Ahmmon Richards Decommits (4 Star)
11/06/15 Izon Pulley Decommits (3 Star)
11/08/15 Joshua Uche Decommits (3 Star)
11/12/15 Zach McCloud Decommits (4 Star)
12/11/15 Zach McCloud Re-Commits (4 Star)
12/12/15 Evan Hinson Decommits (3 Star)
12/16/15 Desmond Phillips Decommits (3 Star)
01/04/16 Jawon Hamilton Decommits (3 Star)
01/15/16 Reginald Henderson Decommits (2 Star)
01/21/16 Jaquwan Nelson Decommits (3 Star)
01/22/16 James Wiggins Decommits (3 Star)
01/27/16 Deion Jackson Decommits (3 Star)
02/03/17 Ahmmon Richards Recommits (4 Star)
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2017 (15) drops or recommits 12
05/22/15 Todd Centeio Decommits (3 Star)
07/07/15 Kadeem Telfort Decommits (4 Star)
02/04/16 N’Kosi Perry Decommits (4 Star)
02/12/16 Aundre Kearney Decommits (3 Star)
02/20/16 Tyler Dunning Decommits (4 Star)
03/08/16 Kemore Gamble Decommits (4 Star)
03/19/16 N’Kosi Perry Recommits (4 Star)
05/10/16 Ahman Ross Decommits (3 Star)
06/13/16 Nick Roberts Decommits (3 Star)
07/20/16 Bentavious Thompson Decommits (3 Star)
08/03/16 Rodney Scott Decommits (3 Star)
12/15/16 Kevaughn Dingle Decommits (4 Star)
01/06/17 Billy Gibson Jr Decommits (3 Star)
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2018 (7) drops or recommits 4
10/26/15 Al Blades Decommits – 4 Star, Recommited
02/05/16 Billy Joseph Decommits – 3 Star - Dropped
04/06/17 Jalen Patterson Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped
05/03/17 Thomas Burns Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped, came to UM on track scholarship
06/18/17 Al Blades Recommits – 4 Star (#2)

De-commitments duringTNM Era:
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2019 (13) drops or recommits 5
03/24/18 Diamante Howard Decommits – 580 (Class #2)
04/02/18 Brieon Fuller Decommits – 216 (Class #2)
08/06/18 Denzel Daxon Decommits – 593 (Class #19)
12/12/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Decommits – 723 (Class #29)
12/15/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Recommits – 3 Star (725) (Class #34)
01/28/19 Jason Munoz Decommits – 3 Star (841), (Class #36) – Syracuse
 
Hurricane Warrior said:
A lot of class of 2016-19 were guys the new staff dropped.

2016 (25) drops or recommits 14
06/08/15 Greg Simmons Decommits (3 Star)
06/14/15 Devin Gil Decommits (3 Star)
10/13/15 James Pierre Decommits (3 Star)
10/25/15 Ahmmon Richards Decommits (4 Star)
11/06/15 Izon Pulley Decommits (3 Star)
11/08/15 Joshua Uche Decommits (3 Star)
11/12/15 Zach McCloud Decommits (4 Star)
12/11/15 Zach McCloud Re-Commits (4 Star)
12/12/15 Evan Hinson Decommits (3 Star)
12/16/15 Desmond Phillips Decommits (3 Star)
01/04/16 Jawon Hamilton Decommits (3 Star)
01/15/16 Reginald Henderson Decommits (2 Star)
01/21/16 Jaquwan Nelson Decommits (3 Star)
01/22/16 James Wiggins Decommits (3 Star)
01/27/16 Deion Jackson Decommits (3 Star)
02/03/17 Ahmmon Richards Recommits (4 Star)
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2017 (15) drops or recommits 12
05/22/15 Todd Centeio Decommits (3 Star)
07/07/15 Kadeem Telfort Decommits (4 Star)
02/04/16 N’Kosi Perry Decommits (4 Star)
02/12/16 Aundre Kearney Decommits (3 Star)
02/20/16 Tyler Dunning Decommits (4 Star)
03/08/16 Kemore Gamble Decommits (4 Star)
03/19/16 N’Kosi Perry Recommits (4 Star)
05/10/16 Ahman Ross Decommits (3 Star)
06/13/16 Nick Roberts Decommits (3 Star)
07/20/16 Bentavious Thompson Decommits (3 Star)
08/03/16 Rodney Scott Decommits (3 Star)
12/15/16 Kevaughn Dingle Decommits (4 Star)
01/06/17 Billy Gibson Jr Decommits (3 Star)
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2018 (7) drops or recommits 4
10/26/15 Al Blades Decommits – 4 Star, Recommited
02/05/16 Billy Joseph Decommits – 3 Star - Dropped
04/06/17 Jalen Patterson Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped
05/03/17 Thomas Burns Decommits – 3 Star (#1) - Dropped, came to UM on track scholarship
06/18/17 Al Blades Recommits – 4 Star (#2)

De-commitments duringTNM Era:
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2019 (13) drops or recommits 5
03/24/18 Diamante Howard Decommits – 580 (Class #2)
04/02/18 Brieon Fuller Decommits – 216 (Class #2)
08/06/18 Denzel Daxon Decommits – 593 (Class #19)
12/12/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Decommits – 723 (Class #29)
12/15/18 Samuel Brooks Jr. Recommits – 3 Star (725) (Class #34)
01/28/19 Jason Munoz Decommits – 3 Star (841), (Class #36) – Syracuse
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I know that and you know that but the optics are MIAMI were dropped. Now add two of our highest commits in two classes. It's a very bad optic right now. I think the kids all know what's up - what's to keep some more of them from thinking "maybe I should see what I can get too??"
 
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