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De-commits and Attrition and their impact

Well thank God all those kids decommitted!

Can you imagine how horrible we would have been if they had all stayed true?
 
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Teddy and Collins hurt the most, plus those LBs to Louisville. Not sure Al could have done anything about Teddy so really don't blame him for that. Collins on the other hand, we had him early and mom loved us(obviously). Kid looked and sounded really great. Imagine what that beast would have done with Duke. That pair would have indeed been something. Duke goes down in tally with broken leg and fresh legs of monster RB take his place. That would have been old school Miami, where backup hits the field and you wonder how we wasn't starting even when the starter was great.

I the biggest problem I see with decommits is the recruits who replace them. Al has had attrition rate that is just horrible and reason enough to fire him. I don't know how much one impacts the other but the net result is the same. A huge number of players Al selects, one way or another, end up NOT playing at Miami.
 
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Teddy and Collins hurt the most, plus those LBs to Louisville. Not sure Al could have done anything about Teddy so really don't blame him for that. Collins on the other hand, we had him early and mom loved us(obviously). Kid looked and sounded really great. Imagine what that beast would have done with Duke. That pair would have indeed been something. Duke goes down in tally with broken leg and fresh legs of monster RB take his place. That would have been old school Miami, where backup hits the field and you wonder how we wasn't starting even when the starter was great.

I the biggest problem I see with decommits is the recruits who replace them. Al has had attrition rate that is just horrible and reason enough to fire him. I don't know how much one impacts the other but the net result is the same. A huge number of players Al selects, one way or another, end up NOT playing at Miami.
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If we had a big back like Alex Collins, there is no way that we would have sent a scatback like Duke to run into a big pile on third and short, so Duke wouldn't have broken his ankle in there. We really could have used Collins, Kirkland, and Thomas, but I'm not sure there was anything the staff could have done about that.
 
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Teddy and Collins hurt the most, plus those LBs to Louisville. Not sure Al could have done anything about Teddy so really don't blame him for that. Collins on the other hand, we had him early and mom loved us(obviously). Kid looked and sounded really great. Imagine what that beast would have done with Duke. That pair would have indeed been something. Duke goes down in tally with broken leg and fresh legs of monster RB take his place. That would have been old school Miami, where backup hits the field and you wonder how we wasn't starting even when the starter was great.

I the biggest problem I see with decommits is the recruits who replace them. Al has had attrition rate that is just horrible and reason enough to fire him. I don't know how much one impacts the other but the net result is the same. A huge number of players Al selects, one way or another, end up NOT playing at Miami.
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Agree completely. I think our attrition rate is a direct result of having to take questionable players. We aren't losing recruits at a significantly higher rate than other schools, we just don't replace them with other studs like the Bamas and FSUs of the world. I attribute that mostly to one thing: late season collapses. It robs us of any momentum coming down the stretch.
 
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Thank you for this information. But, what hurts a program the most is not, I repeat, not the kids who commit and then decommit. It is the really good kids who are in a team's historic recruiting area who simply go to another school. This is especially bad where he plays for a rival. I won't waste the time to list all the Dade, Broward, and PB kids who simply rejected Miami offers and have gone on to play elsewhere. But, the list would include some very, very, good players.
 
Kids are committing earlier and earlier as offers are going out earlier. Here is a list of all the kids who verbally committed to U more than 2 years before their actual signing day since 2010.

2010
Luis Nix - 11/27/08 - ND
Todd Chandler - 12/1/08 - USF

2011
Marcus Jackson - 12/11/09 - Tenn

2012
Keith Brown - 9/3/10 - Louisville
Duke Johnson - 9/17/10 - MIA
Willie Bailey - 9/18/10 - Florida
A.J Leggett - 11/24/10 - Marshall

2013
Kermit Whitfield - 5/20/11 - FSU
Alex Collins - 1/15/12 - Arkansas
Keith Bryant - 1/15/12 - FSU
Jayron Kearse - 1/15/12 - Clemson

2014
Trevor Darling - 4/3/12 - MIA
Travis Rudolph - 6/13/12 - FSU

2015
Charles Perry - 6/23/13 - MIA
Mark Walton - 9/29/13 - MIA
Kevin Feder - 1/19/14 - OSU
Emonee Spence - 1/26/14 - Auburn

2016
Chauncey Gardner - 5/8/13 - De-Committed
Mike Pinckney - 6/21/14
Jack Alison - 6/23/14
Shaq Quarterman - 6/25/14
Dionete Mullins - 7/4/14
Sam Bruce - 7/8/14
Dredrick Snelson - 7/12/14 - De-Committed
Ahmmon Richards - 7/22/14
Zach McCloud - 11/17/14
Cedrick Wright - 1/25/15
Jojo Jackson - 1/25/15
Amir Rasul - 1/25/15 - De-Committed
Keyshon Camp - 1/25/15 - De-Committed
Devin Gil - 1/26/15 - De-Committed
Tyler Byrd - 2/3/15

2017
Todd Centeio - 12/16/14 - De-Committed
Tyler Dunning - 2/21/15
Bentavious Thompson - 2/22/15
Robert Burns - 2/23/15
Kadeem Telfort - 2/27/15 - De-Committed
Waynmon Steed - 2/28/15
Aundre Kearney - 6/9/15
Daewood Davis - 6/11/15 - De-Committed (un-commitable offer)
Tre McKitty - 6/16/15
Kemore Gamble - 6/17/15

2018
Al Baldes II - 2/22/15
Thomas Burns - 2/28/15
Billy Joseph - 3/10/15
Jalen Patterson - 3/15/15
Josh Jobe - 6/14/15

When Shannon started the early offers in 2010, he had no luck at all as none of them stuck. Golden got lucky with Duke in 2012 who originally committed to Shannon in 2010 and stuck with it. 2013 was horrible as Golden went 0-4. We went 50% in 2014 and 2015 so Golden is getting better at this. Hopefully we can at least keep this trend of 50%. If that is the case then we will keep 7-8 of the 15 that committed over 2 years early for the Swag16 class. Since we already have 4 de-commits in the group we should keep at least 7-8 of the remaining 11.
 
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very interesting, good post op! crazy how things turn out when you take a step back from the ledge and let things unravel as they should
 
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Neil said:
Gatorhater said:
Teddy and Collins hurt the most, plus those LBs to Louisville. Not sure Al could have done anything about Teddy so really don't blame him for that. Collins on the other hand, we had him early and mom loved us(obviously). Kid looked and sounded really great. Imagine what that beast would have done with Duke. That pair would have indeed been something. Duke goes down in tally with broken leg and fresh legs of monster RB take his place. That would have been old school Miami, where backup hits the field and you wonder how we wasn't starting even when the starter was great.

I the biggest problem I see with decommits is the recruits who replace them. Al has had attrition rate that is just horrible and reason enough to fire him. I don't know how much one impacts the other but the net result is the same. A huge number of players Al selects, one way or another, end up NOT playing at Miami.
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If we had a big back like Alex Collins, there is no way that we would have sent a scatback like Duke to run into a big pile on third and short, so Duke wouldn't have broken his ankle in there. We really could have used Collins, Kirkland, and Thomas, but I'm not sure there was anything the staff could have done about that.
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Most of that is true except for the fact that Duke broke his ankle due to POOR technique on his own part.
 
I find it funny how some people are saying this Swag 16 class is falling apart how it was ranked high solely on # of commitments and the guys that we have aren't that good. Look at our de-commits to date:

2016 De-commits:
ATH: Chauncey Gardner - 6/13/13 (Profile|hudl|Commits|flip to UF 6/14/14|8/18/14|2/24/15) Florida
WR: Dredrick Snelson -7/13/14 (Profile | hudl | Commits | 6/27, 8/23/14) - Minnesota
DT: Keyshon Camp - 1/25/15 (Profile | hudl | Commits | De-Commits) - USC
WR/TE: Isaiah Johnson - 2/16/15 (Profile | hudl | Offered | Commits) Florida
LB/RB: Greg Simmons - 2/18/15 (Profile | hudl | Commits | 2/10/15 | Article | De-commits) Nebraska
RB/CB: McArthur Burnett -2/16/15 (Profile | hudl | Offer | Commits | De-commits )
S/LB: Devin Gil - 1/26/15 (Profile | hudl | Commits | De-commits) Michigan
DT: Walvenski Aime - 6/10/15 (hudl | 247 | commits | de-commits 6/19/15)

Or last 4 de-commits in June were:
LB: Greg Simmons - like his game he was our lowest rated LB and we have 3 guys better still committed
RB/CB: McArthur Burnett - love his game but again our lowest rated RB and we have 3 guys better still committed
S/LB: Devin Gil - not sure about his game but again our lowest rated DB and we have 6 guys better still committed
DT: Walvenski Aime - We know the story with DTs...

By the way these guys are committing or been recruited by big time schools so don't tell me that our class is overrated when Nebraska is stealing our lowest rated LB and Michigan is raiding our slowest DB.

What about the other 4 you ask?
ATH: Chauncey Gardner - love his game but when he flipped to the Gators there was no swag16 since he was the only commit at the time
WR: Dredrick Snelson - love his game but again we still have 3 guys at WR that I would take over him, he was one of 4 WR commits out of 7 total at the time.
DT: Keyshon Camp - yeap, we know the story with DTs...
WR/TE: Isaiah Johnson - was our lowest rated WR, we still have 3 better guys committed. do we really need another big WR?
 
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3 trends I noticed with our de-commitments to this point out:

#1: Stop signing guys at my position! I'm not sure I want to compete with all these guys. Am I still wanted?

1/26/15 Gil commits as S
2/3/15 Byrd commits as DB
2/13/15 Wiggins commits as DB
2/24/15 Jackson commits as DB
5/18/15 Pierre commits as S
6/15/15 Gil de-commits

2/16/15 Burnett commits as RB
2/22/15 Thompson commits as RB (2017)
2/23/15 Burns commits as RB (2017)
4/1/15 Moss commits as RB
5/31/15 Homer commits as RB
6/10/15 Burnett de-commits

2/18/15 Simmons commits as LB
2/21/15 Dunning commits as LB (2017)
2/28/15 Steed commits as LB (2017)
3/10/15 Uche commits as LB/DE
3/10/15 Joseph commits as LB/DE (2018)
6/8/15 Simmons de-commits
6/9/15 Kearney commits as LB (2017)

#2: DT Trend, wait I'm not sure I want to play DT at Miami...

1/25/15 Camp commits as DT
2/25/15 Camp de-commits as DT
6/28/15 Camp commits to USC

6/12/15 Aime commits as DT
6/18/15 Aime de-commits

#3: I can't make up my mind, show me more love... or I grew up a Gator.

12/15/14 Johnson commits to Louisville
2/16/15 Johnson de-commits from Louisville
2/16/15 Johnson commits to UM
3/15/15 Johnson decommits from UM
3/20/15 Johnson commits to UF

6/8/13 Gardner commits to UM
6/14/14 Gardner de-commits from UM
6/14/14 Gardner commits to UF
1/5/15 Gardner de-commits from UF
3/14/15 Gardner commits to UF
 
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I noticed some people have been complaining about how the current staff has a high attrition rate and decided to take a closer look. I counted a player only if they signed a LOI with Miami.

2000 (25) - 8
QB T.J. Prunty - quit for baseball, transfer Concordia in 2003
WR Willie Dixon - transfer to SF JC
RB Jared McClure - quit to become model for AF

DNQ
DT Vince Wilfork - Miami 2001
K Mark Gent - Miami 2001
TE Willie Roberts - Okalohoma
DE Alton Wright - JC
DB Antonio Warren - USF

2001 (25) - 6
DE Miguel Robede - kick off 2003
TE Brandon Sebald - transfer to Hofstra 2005

DNQ
OL Randy Boxill - Rutgers 2002
DT Jedd Littlejohn - Middle Tenn, FAU
TE Kevin Everett - Miami 2003
DB Jovonny Ward - Pitt, FAU


2002 (24) - 12
TE Curtis Justus - retired due to leg injury
WR Akeem Jolla - transfer New Mexico State 2006
QB Marc Guillon - transfer to Alabama 2003
LB Nate Harris - kick-off before enrolling
DE John Wood - kick-off 2003
RB J.R. Mounts -transfer to Florida A&M 2003
CB Travarous Bain - transfer to Hampton 2005

DNQ
CB Devin Hester - Miami 2003
DE Alton Wright - Miami 2003
WR Darnell Jenkins - Miami 2003
CB Terrell Walden - Miami 2003
DE Antonio Reynolds - Tenn 2004


2003 (24) - 5
DT David Howell - quit in 2005
DT Bryan Pata - killed 2006

DNQ
DT Nate Robinson - Rutgers
Ali Highsmith - LSU
Leo Waiters - ??


2004 (28) - 15
LB Willie Williams - kicked off 2006
RB Charlie Jones - quit 2007
DE Rhyan Anderson - quit 2006
RB Andrew Johnson - tranfer Akron
QB Kirby Freeman - transfer Baylor
LB James Bryant - transfer Louisville 2007
DB George Timmons - quit 2007
DB Rashaun Jones - quit 2006
OL Jonahtan st. Pierre - quit 2006

DNQ
RB Bobby Washington - NC State
DT Kellen Heard - Texas A&M
DT Joe Joseph - Miami 2005
DT Antonio Dixon - Miami 2005
TE Cedric Hill - USF 2005
OL Josh Kerr - Ohio State 2006


2005 (17) - 7
DE Courtney Harris - transfer Memphis
TE Dajleon Farr - transfer Memphis
LB Demetri Stewart - quit 2007
DT Luqman Abdallah - transfer Hofstra 2007
OL Chritopher Barney - transfer 2008
FB Jerrell Mabry - quit 2007

DNQ
TE Richard Gordon - Miami 2006

2006 (22) - 7
DE Steven Wesley - transfer N. alabama 2010
DE Chris Lewis - transfer Fresno State 2006
QB Daniel Stegall - Played baseball instead
WR Geroge Robinson - quit 2007

DNQ
RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt 2007
OL Orlando Franklin - Miami 2007
RB Graig Cooper - Miami 2007

2007 (19) - 6
QB Robert Marve - transfer Purdue 2008
WR Jermaine Mckenzie - transfer Memphis 2008
CB Doug Wiggins - Transfer Wesrern Mich 2008
DT Chris Perry - transfer Texas Tech 2008
RB Shawnbrey McNeal - transfer SMU 2008
TE Daniel Adderley - quit 2009

2008 (33) - 12
LB Arthur Brown - transfer Kansas State 2010
WR Aldarius Johnson - kickoff 2011
QB Taylor Cook - transfer Rice 2009
QB Cannon Smith - transfer Memphis 2009
WR Thearon Collier - transfer to USC 2010
DE Gavin Hardin - Medical hardship 2009
S Joseph Wylie - transfer Tenn State 2009
LB Brandon Marti - quit 2008
LB Zach Kane - kick off before enrolling - Temple

DNQ
OL Brandon Washington - Miami 2009
LB Antonio Harper
S C. J. Odom

2009 (19) - 9
OL Stephen Plein - medical hardship 2009
S Jamal Reid - transfer Jacksonville University 2010
S Ray Ray Armstrong - kicked off 2012
TE Billy Sanders - left team 2011
OL Jermaine Barton - left team
OL Cory White - transfer to FIU 2013 (5th yr senior)
DE Dyron Dye - kicked off 2012

DNQ
OL Malcolm Bunche - Miami 2010
S Prince Kent

2010 (30) - 15
TE David Perry - transfer Bethune Cookman 2014 (5th yr senior)
OL Malcom Bunche - transfer UCLA 2014 (5th yr senior)
CB Latwan Anderson - quit 2011
RB Storm Johnson - transfer UCF 2011
LB Travis Williams - transfer 2011
LB Kevin Nelson - transfer 2011
DB Devant'a Davis - transfer 2011
TE Andrew Tallman - transfer 2011
DT Jeffrey Brown - kicked off 2011
OL Jermaine Barton - quit 2011 - Ilinois State
RB Darion Hall - quit 2012
CB Keion Payne - kicked off 2012

DNQ
DT Tavadis Glenn
CB Jeremy Davis - UCF 2012
DT Delmar Taylor - Navaro College

2011 (21) - 9
CB Thomas Finnie - kicked off 2013
LB Gionni Paul - transfer 2012 Utah
DT Junior alexis - quit 2012
LB Eddie Johnson - kick off 2013
Ricardo Williams - Transfer Marshall 2013
DT Jalen Grimble - transfer Oregon State 2013

DNQ
OL Taylor Gadbois - Miami 2012
RB Kevin Groom - Marshall 2011
LB Antnio Kinard - Arizona Western 2013

2012 (33) - 16
OL Taylor Gadbois - dismissed 2015
LB Josh Witt - retired due to injury 2012
CB Vernon Davis - transfer WVU 2012
LB Gabriel Terry - dismissed 2013
DT jacoby Briscoe - transfer 2013
WR Robert Lockhart - transfer 2013
QB David Thompson - quit for baseball 2013
DT Dequan Ivery - dismissed 2013
RB Danny Dillard - transfer Bethune Cookman 2013
WR Jontavious Carter - dismissed 2013 (Bethune Cookman)
QB Preston Dewey - retired due to injury
CB Larry Hope - transfer Youngstown State 2014
DE Dwayne Hoilett - left team in 2014
LB Jawad Blue - dismissed 2014
CB Antonio Crawford - transfer WVU 2015

DNQ
Angelo Jean-Louis - Marshall

2013 (19) - 7
CB Ray Lewis - transfer 2014
QB kevin Olsen - dismissed 2014
TE Beau Sandland - transfer 2014
LB Alex Figueroa - dismissed 2014

DNQ
WR Derrick Griffin
S Ryheem Lockley
LB Devante Bond (Okalohoma)

2014 (26) - 1
S Kiy Hester - transfer Rutgers 2014
 
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I usually dont pay much attention to things on 247 such as crystal balls and things like that but I was just looking at some of our commits and their profiles and even some guys we are or should be seriously targeting.

Not sure how reliable the calendars are for recruits such as camps, offers, visits, and coach visits and when they happened (I think players report them to 247?) But it seems that there arent many recruits that get coach visits from Miami. Then I will look and see where FSU, UF, Auburn and other teams that are poaching elite talent from SFla are having coach visits every month to recruits that should be canes.

Makes sense on why we have so many decommits if the dates are correct. We just dont have a staff that puts in enough work. Seriously, how hard can it be to have someone in a canes hat stand on the sideline at a 7on7 game or have the position coach go to the recruits school every month? Could be the difference in keeping a recruit and him going out of state, just one visit a month.
 
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mjackson6 said:
I usually dont pay much attention to things on 247 such as crystal balls and things like that but I was just looking at some of our commits and their profiles and even some guys we are or should be seriously targeting.

Not sure how reliable the calendars are for recruits such as camps, offers, visits, and coach visits and when they happened (I think players report them to 247?) But it seems that there arent many recruits that get coach visits from Miami. Then I will look and see where FSU, UF, Auburn and other teams that are poaching elite talent from SFla are having coach visits every month to recruits that should be canes.

Makes sense on why we have so many decommits if the dates are correct. We just dont have a staff that puts in enough work. Seriously, how hard can it be to have someone in a canes hat stand on the sideline at a 7on7 game or have the position coach go to the recruits school every month? Could be the difference in keeping a recruit and him going out of state, just one visit a month.
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You have an extremely valid point. i have notice that trend as well. i recently noticed it when i seen one recruit had 2 visits from FSU coaches and i was like man, i never see our coaches visit recruits. only when they go all over the place for 2 weeks and thats it. a coach not visiting Burnett for his game caused us a good commit. uncle Luke stated that no coaches even came by to Norland for the spring. which they have a commit and oher recruits we are looking at.
 
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3 trends I noticed with our de-commitments to this point out:

#1: Stop signing guys at my position! I'm not sure I want to compete with all these guys. Am I still wanted?

1/26/15 Gil commits as S
2/3/15 Byrd commits as DB
2/13/15 Wiggins commits as DB
2/24/15 Jackson commits as DB
5/18/15 Pierre commits as S
6/15/15 Gil de-commits

2/16/15 Burnett commits as RB
2/22/15 Thompson commits as RB (2017)
2/23/15 Burns commits as RB (2017)
4/1/15 Moss commits as RB
5/31/15 Homer commits as RB
6/10/15 Burnett de-commits

2/18/15 Simmons commits as LB
2/21/15 Dunning commits as LB (2017)
2/28/15 Steed commits as LB (2017)
3/10/15 Uche commits as LB/DE
3/10/15 Joseph commits as LB/DE (2018)
6/8/15 Simmons de-commits
6/9/15 Kearney commits as LB (2017)

#2: DT Trend, wait I'm not sure I want to play DT at Miami...

1/25/15 Camp commits as DT
2/25/15 Camp de-commits as DT

6/12/15 Aime commits as DT
6/18/15 Aime de-commits

#3: I can't make up my mind, show me more love... or I grew up a Gator.

12/15/14 Johnson commits to Louisville
2/16/15 Johnson de-commits from Louisville
2/16/15 Johnson commits to UM
3/15/15 Johnson decommits from UM
3/20/15 Johnson commits to UF

6/8/13 Gardner commits to UM
6/14/14 Gardner de-commits from UM
6/14/14 Gardner commits to UF
1/5/15 Gardner de-commits from UF
3/14/15 Gardner commits to UF
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Only one I disagree with is Burnett. Kid would be here if our coaches actually kept on working and didn't no show his spring game. That one is going to sting.
 
Fountain of Canes said:
mjackson6 said:
I usually dont pay much attention to things on 247 such as crystal balls and things like that but I was just looking at some of our commits and their profiles and even some guys we are or should be seriously targeting.

Not sure how reliable the calendars are for recruits such as camps, offers, visits, and coach visits and when they happened (I think players report them to 247?) But it seems that there arent many recruits that get coach visits from Miami. Then I will look and see where FSU, UF, Auburn and other teams that are poaching elite talent from SFla are having coach visits every month to recruits that should be canes.

Makes sense on why we have so many decommits if the dates are correct. We just dont have a staff that puts in enough work. Seriously, how hard can it be to have someone in a canes hat stand on the sideline at a 7on7 game or have the position coach go to the recruits school every month? Could be the difference in keeping a recruit and him going out of state, just one visit a month.
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You have an extremely valid point. i have notice that trend as well. i recently noticed it when i seen one recruit had 2 visits from FSU coaches and i was like man, i never see our coaches visit recruits. only when they go all over the place for 2 weeks and thats it. a coach not visiting Burnett for his game caused us a good commit. uncle Luke stated that no coaches even came by to Norland for the spring. which they have a commit and oher recruits we are looking at.
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I literally haven't seen one player with a coaching visit from Miami. If they do it is before they commit then it's like they abandon them. I'd be more focused on keeping the players I have right now than adding more. If they keep what they have then actually perform on the field then the other recruits we want will come. Not much you can prove right now, not even July.
 
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