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Dawson is fed up with the inside run talk

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CanesFanatic said:
It’s a bit concerning how the playcallers don’t see that we have almost zero variety in the run game. The whole point of what all the fans are saying, is if you do a toss sweep, or misdirection ect and get the ball outside on purpose, it can help spread the defense and open up the middle even more, why is this so hard for Miami coaches to understand?
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Except that's not how defense works.
They don't spread out because you ran a toss or two. Offensive formations determine defensive spacing/alignment, not play calls.

If you want more running room in the middle, you need to spread the formations out.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
True but he gets lots of extra credit for Toney. That alone elevates Beards grade from a D to C+. Everyone else coaching (or coordinating ) the offense is a C- or below

Correction- RB hasn’t been terrible so RB coach also has earned his pay. solid B grade.
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Extra credit for Toney?
Stevie Wonder could coach Baby Jesus.
 
Coach Macho said:
Except that's not how defense works.
They don't spread out because you ran a toss or two. Offensive formations determine defensive spacing/alignment, not play calls.

If you want more running room in the middle, you need to spread the formations out.
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Which is why I’ve been calling for four WR sets and inside zone. Force the D to cover all the WRs and handle power runs. Not an easy task.
 
TwentySix said:


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The gap we run to isn’t the main concern for me. The concern is our lack of running game success with what many consider a top tier o line with a top tier o line coach and top tier recruiter who specializes in o line.

If what we are doing isn’t successful this year, you have to adapt to what your team does well each year.

For short yardage, I’d love to see something as simple as a wildcat with Toney. He is so good and draws so much attention whether he gets the carry or not, it should be highly successful.

Just my two cents…
 
canes732 said:
I have no problem with the inside runs. Just break tendency’s more often to help out that inside run that the love running
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Same plays, same formations... on repeat. Heck, have we run 4 verts this year with 4 wrs? We have a ton of WR talent that is young so 4 verts gets it simple for them... run and catch if the ball is thrown to you. At the same time, it forces a D to remove defenders from the box as they have to start backing out the safeties and sub lbers for dbs.

Then you have the other option of Toney at RPO QB and Beck at Y. Beck doesn't have to run a route...just be in the flats as an outlet or double pass option.
 
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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Is it not a coaches job to adapt to his personnel? Or is it ok to say, I don’t have the pieces to do what I want, but im gonna do it anyway.
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Bingo! This is exactly what’s been frustrating me this season. Last year, he adjusted to Cam and ran a more open spread offense. But for some reason, we’ve gone back to these bunched formations and this bland, predictable style. Stop forcing your philosophy and adapt to the personnel you brought in. Use your athletes. Use your speed.
 


But hey, at least we ran inside zone to other gaps last game!

People will go blue in the face for no reason other than it’s like a personal attack to say our run game isn’t good…no idea why. It’s really not personal.

The run game has to be more explosive and more diverse, or this team will not beat another elite team all year long. Simple as that.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:


But hey, at least we ran inside zone to other gaps last game!

People will go blue in the face for no reason other than it’s like a personal attack to say our run game isn’t good…no idea why. It’s really not personal.

The run game has to be more explosive and more diverse, or this team will not beat another elite team all year long. Simple as that.
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We either have to be very explosive in the pass game or the run game. This is what I said all off-season and why I thought our run game was gonna be an issue with Beck. It simply isn't designed to pick up explosive plays especially with Fletcher getting half the carries. The best we can really hope for from his is 10-15 yard runs maybe 5% of the time.

If we aren't going to change our run game, we need to immediately run way more play action to hit intermediate middle of the field. We need to attack the outside. We can't average 6 y/a passing with this run game. We need to average 9 minimum. The issue is Beck never really attacked deep at high rates or without mistakes...
 
WeBallinBoyz said:


But hey, at least we ran inside zone to other gaps last game!

People will go blue in the face for no reason other than it’s like a personal attack to say our run game isn’t good…no idea why. It’s really not personal.

The run game has to be more explosive and more diverse, or this team will not beat another elite team all year long. Simple as that.
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To me, reading that tells me one thing (not that I already didn't know or have said this a million times).

SPACING.

Its way too hard to have 8 blockers all win their battles and have a rb to maneuver with no space, than if you only need 5 blockers to win their battles and nobody around them.

Thats why I hate when coaches are smart asses. Idc if you ran 80% of the time, idc if you run in the same gap everytime (though a little creativity would go a long way), but dammit the spacing has been an issue every season (except the Cam season) with Mario.

Thats why I told yall, dont expect to change. Dawson already said it, "just have to stick to the run" and "this is the identity we want". Just pure stubbornness.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
To me, reading that tells me one thing (not that I already didn't know or have said this a million times).

SPACING.

Its way too hard to have 8 blockers all win their battles and have a rb to maneuver with no space, than if you only need 5 blockers to win their battles and nobody around them.

Thats why I hate when coaches are smart asses. Idc if you ran 80% of the time, idc if you run in the same gap everytime (though a little creativity would go a long way), but dammit the spacing has been an issue every season (except the Cam season) with Mario.

Thats why I told yall, dont expect to change. Dawson already said it, "just have to stick to the run" and "this is the identity we want". Just pure stubbornness.
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Go back and watch some of Fletcher's runs. He has the opportunity to make some big runs but just can't. He doesn't have it in his game.
 
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I hope our offense isn’t becoming last years defense at this time in the season. This offense isn’t going to beat OSU ALA IND or A&M.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
To me, reading that tells me one thing (not that I already didn't know or have said this a million times).

SPACING.

Its way too hard to have 8 blockers all win their battles and have a rb to maneuver with no space, than if you only need 5 blockers to win their battles and nobody around them.

Thats why I hate when coaches are smart asses. Idc if you ran 80% of the time, idc if you run in the same gap everytime (though a little creativity would go a long way), but dammit the spacing has been an issue every season (except the Cam season) with Mario.

Thats why I told yall, dont expect to change. Dawson already said it, "just have to stick to the run" and "this is the identity we want". Just pure stubbornness.
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This is the main issue 100%. The problem isn't fyzical bro ball in the sense that you want a 50% run rate. I wouldn't even say the issue is Pace (if we were more successful running!). I wouldn't even say the issue is thee passing game plan. The issue is when you combine all that it just doesn't compliment each other.

With Ward, you can have a consistent non explosive run game. Because he generated explosive plays through the air at a very high rate AND having him actually increases the explosivity in the run as well when you have the OLine and RB talent we had. When you have more of a "game manager" you MUST generate explosive runs through scheme. That's spacing. That's misdirection+play action. Etc.

The problem isn't at all that we want to run the ball. Most of the very successful offenses in the NFL and CFB run a lot. Not many of them ARE ENTIRELY RELIANT on 3.5ypc on 20play drives to score.....
 
Calinative said:
This is the main issue 100%. The problem isn't fyzical bro ball in the sense that you want a 50% run rate. I wouldn't even say the issue is Pace (if we were more successful running!). I wouldn't even say the issue is thee passing game plan. The issue is when you combine all that it just doesn't compliment each other.

With Ward, you can have a consistent non explosive run game. Because he generated explosive plays through the air at a very high rate AND having him actually increases the explosivity in the run as well when you have the OLine and RB talent we had. When you have more of a "game manager" you MUST generate explosive runs through scheme. That's spacing. That's misdirection+play action. Etc.

The problem isn't at all that we want to run the ball. Most of the very successful offenses in the NFL and CFB run a lot. Not many of them ARE ENTIRELY RELIANT on 3.5ypc on 20play drives to score.....
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Good stuff honestly. I don’t think most (sane) people have an issue with the overall philosophy. It’s a good plan.

We run this offense like Emory Williams is the QB with way too much protection for the run game and a QB of Becks caliber. Or I should say the point of paying millions for a starting QB. We coulda just rolled with Emory and spent the money elsewhere.

Not to get bogged down on Emory/Beck but it’s just bizarre to watch us get so overly cautious and protective when guys like CJ and Toney have stepped in and we have talent on offense.
 
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