Dave Aranda: Great DC Or Cool Ranch Doritos?

[Consigliere]

For me, it is simple, keep the points off the ***ing board.

I am down for the DC that keeps the most points off the board.

That's the part that concerns me, though. In their final year at Temple, Dorito and Gluten kept points off the board, too. 16th in scoring defense.

They brought their Big 10-style defense down here and it was a horrendous fit. Is Aranda flexible? Is he bringing down that system from Wisconsin where apparently getting to the QB, creating turnovers, and getting in the backfield isn't important/taught/achieved?

How does that translate here?

This guy consistently does it. He also does it at a P5 program. He has the #1 Scoring D this year. He had the #1 7th in 2014. #6 in 2013 and #7 (at Utah State) in 2012. These are consistent numbers. Coach D was improving at Temple but he never hit numbers like Aranda and that was at Temple.

 

[Consigliere]

For me, it is simple, keep the points off the ***ing board.

I am down for the DC that keeps the most points off the board.

It was the same said about dorito

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

 

[Tad Footeball]

"He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there."

Are you any more comfortable coupling that with a savage DL though? I think Kuligowski gives you that no matter what perceived flaws you may find in Aranda's style.

Yep. Pretty sure Kuligowski ain't coming here to teach pattycake.

You have to believe Richt already told Kuligowski who the DC is or who it's between. You also have to think that Kuligowski had at least as many potential job offers as Richt did. As you said, he doesn't come here to work in a system that'd contrast or limit his recipe for DL savagery. Richt making the Kuligowski hire and Kuligowski being on board with whatever DC Richt has mentioned to him should alleviate any ancillary overall style concerns.

 

[canesbaby]

Did Missouri play a 3-4 or 4-3 in coach Kul's time there? Basically, I'm trying to figure out whether coach Kul is being brought in to teach the 3-4 defensive line technique (ie: aggressiveness) that Dave Aranda (if he's the guy) may not have had at Wisconsin. Could this be a perfect match between Aranda's aggressive linebackers and Kul's aggressive defensive linemen in the 3-4 scheme? If this is the pairing I've gotta believe that's at least the plan.

 

[407cane]

For me, it is simple, keep the points off the ***ing board.

I am down for the DC that keeps the most points off the board.

That's the part that concerns me, though. In their final year at Temple, Dorito and Gluten kept points off the board, too. 16th in scoring defense.

They brought their Big 10-style defense down here and it was a horrendous fit. Is Aranda flexible? Is he bringing down that system from Wisconsin where apparently getting to the QB, creating turnovers, and getting in the backfield isn't important/taught/achieved?

How does that translate here?

To be fair there's a **** of a difference between temple and Wisconsin

 

[Distructobot3000]

USC Trojans Football: Advanced Stats look at DC candidate Dave Aranda - Conquest Chronicles


That last paragraph scares me

Yeah, I read that article last night too and it got me thinking as well

 

[valid]

OP makes a good point. I don't want a complex defense that requires a bunch of white nerds to run efficiently. just give me a simple rabid attacking defense that any gold grill havin goon can pick up quickly.

 

[The Franchise]

"He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there."

Are you any more comfortable coupling that with a savage DL though? I think Kuligowski gives you that no matter what perceived flaws you may find in Aranda's style.

Yep. Pretty sure Kuligowski ain't coming here to teach pattycake.

You have to believe Richt already told Kuligowski who the DC is or who it's between. You also have to think that Kuligowski had at least as many potential job offers as Richt did. As you said, he doesn't come here to work in a system that'd contrast or limit his recipe for DL savagery. Richt making the Kuligowski hire and Kuligowski being on board with whatever DC Richt has mentioned to him should alleviate any ancillary overall style concerns.

Exactly. Kuligowski wasn't hitching his cart to some soap horse DC. I have zero concern at this point as to defensive philosophy. It's going to be upfield and disruptive, or Kuligowski would have taken a different job. It could be a 4-3 or a 3-4 base, but I'm certain it won't be a 2 gap pattycake bull rush only system.

 

[AUcane]

I've read some articles of him. His philosophy is to rush 4 but to always disguise where the rushers are coming from. Not sure if he's a zone guy or press guy

 

[caneaddict]

keep bringing SEC, twangy talking, nightmarish mfers

 

[Dwinstitles]

This **** scares me

 

[407cane]

"He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there."

Are you any more comfortable coupling that with a savage DL though? I think Kuligowski gives you that no matter what perceived flaws you may find in Aranda's style.

Yep. Pretty sure Kuligowski ain't coming here to teach pattycake.

You have to believe Richt already told Kuligowski who the DC is or who it's between. You also have to think that Kuligowski had at least as many potential job offers as Richt did. As you said, he doesn't come here to work in a system that'd contrast or limit his recipe for DL savagery. Richt making the Kuligowski hire and Kuligowski being on board with whatever DC Richt has mentioned to him should alleviate any ancillary overall style concerns.

Exactly. Kuligowski wasn't hitching his cart to some soap horse DC. I have zero concern at this point as to defensive philosophy. It's going to be upfield and disruptive, or Kuligowski would have taken a different job. It could be a 4-3 or a 3-4 base, but I'm certain it won't be a 2 gap pattycake bull rush only system.

This. Imo DL was biggest concern with new DC coach but now that it's taken care of I feel a lot less concerned on who the DC coach is. Obviously Aranda would be a dream but irregardless of what scheme we run I'm certain now that we will have pressure and a solid pass rush

 

[JHallCanes]

He has produced and his work speaks for itself.

However I do agree with OP that if we want to start talking about "best fit" it's worth discussing. Obviously an upgrade but that's not what we are after.

I don't know enough about him to be honest.

 

[Hurricanemike32]

I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.

So you don't watch them yet you know that they aren't very aggressive and that all of the players are borderline obese? I have watched Wisconsin play because my daughter goes to school there and their defense is absolutely aggressive.

As you said they are playing with significantly lesser athletes than what he would have available to him down here. They are also playing in a conference that doesn't really throw the ball around a lot so that could explain the sack and int. numbers. I don't really have an answer for the TFL numbers though. I am not saying you are right or wrong but I will take your opinion with a grain of salt considering you haven't seen them play. And for the record I can't think of one "obese" player on that defense.

He already recruits the state of Florida for UW so I don't think that would be an issue either.

 

[LuCane]

I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.

He doesn't run a passive 3-4 comparable to what we've seen here. Beyond that, I think this a good thread with a potential to look deeper into what he does. The first thing I'd look at is pace of play. Specifically, how many plays teams average against his defense. His defensive numbers get an artificial boost because of those, probably. At the same time, those categories you highlighted also get an artificial tick down.

His defenses produced a bunch of turnovers in Hawaii. Then struggled at times with turnovers at Utah State.

Here's the one thing I read about him at some point last week that gave me some pause:

"You like to have 11 Chris Borlands." Chris Borland is known as a smart, studious player. Not sure how to interpret that and haven't watched Wisconsin enough to give context.

 

[JHallCanes]

I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.

So you don't watch them yet you know that they aren't very aggressive and that all of the players are borderline obese? I have watched Wisconsin play because my daughter goes to school there and their defense is absolutely aggressive.

As you said they are playing with significantly lesser athletes than what he would have available to him down here. They are also playing in a conference that doesn't really throw the ball around a lot so that could explain the sack and int. numbers. I don't really have an answer for the TFL numbers though. I am not saying you are right or wrong but I will take your opinion with a grain of salt considering you haven't seen them play. And for the record I can't think of one "obese" player on that defense.

He already recruits the state of Florida for UW so I don't think that would be an issue either.

Thanks for the insight. The original post is just to ask questions. We've fallen into the hype black hole too many times to keep doing it over and over again. Senseless *****ing is one thing, but this is obviously worth a discussion especially since so few are actually familiar with him other than highlights.

Temple fans tried to warn us and we wanted nothing to do with it.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Why is everyone cheering for him anyway? Would rather have Randy Shannon as a DC.

 

[cane since birth]

For me, it is simple, keep the points off the ***ing board.

I am down for the DC that keeps the most points off the board.

It was the same said about dorito

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

 

[Consigliere]

For me, it is simple, keep the points off the ***ing board.

I am down for the DC that keeps the most points off the board.

It was the same said about dorito

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

But they're results are different. Correct?

 

[supacane]

Yow one thing for sure. I don't want a coach who runs a 3-4. We need to run what made us great.