Dan Le Betard Show - Miami Scoop

[dycane]

Just a reflection of all the money these schools are making. These conferences basically print money

It’s not just that. It’s a unique market, subsidized heavily by private donations. There are vanity/fandom incentives built in that do not exist in traditional markets.

 

[PIPO]

@Empirical Cane and @TheOriginalCane right now

 

[jdmorgan76]

I always read his name as Dan the *******....

 

[CaneFan79]

This thread is gold just for the detailed information on hospital operations, legalities, and the "inside baseball" details...Great backgound for the topic at hand!

 

[Empirical Cane]

It's when they operate as an agent of Jackson. From the case I linked:

The Court examined the terms of the agreement and found that it clearly conferred sovereign immunity upon UM for its services in treating patients at Jackson pursuant to Section 768.28. It found that under the terms of the agreement and Section 768.28, UM was immune from suit because Dr. Salerno treated Morela Lazzari while acting as Jackson’s statutory agent.

A major takeaway from the case is that when the Florida Legislature amended Section 768.28(10) (f), UM and Jackson revisited their original agreement and amended it to ensure that UM would be entitled to sovereign immunity. This foresight allowed UM to be entitled to sovereign immunity in this case.

So where they attack that Lu is the standard of care error event (typically patient harm) began or continued outside Jackson in the clinic/outpatient setting.

 

[Empirical Cane]

@Empirical Cane and @TheOriginalCane right now

You are being to kind. Little truck likes it like this.

 

[AtrainCane]

Funny that after YEARS of hearing (often by people around here) that we don't have money for athletics or especially that we don't understand how university budgets work and you CANNOT just take money from one end of a university and dump it in another that Kirk Herbstreit (God bless him) makes ONE comment on national TV and BAM....here's $30 mil! And why are people citing that the money is so easily available? Because UHealth is raking it in.

Sooooo maybe as a future point of reference whenever we discuss college athletics and university finances let's just adhere to the notion of "Where there's a will (or effective public pressure)....there's always a way".

@ssvir “u clearly don’t understand how these things work Atraincane”. Fckn idiot

 

[armandose23]

It’s easy to feel like they’re all intertwined. They definitely are. When I was a student rotating there we had conferences in one hospital but then had to report to the other and then go back to the other for an afternoon presentation and so on and so forth. The medical school is on site as well so grand rounds are in there. A lot of walking around that area.

I would definitely say they’re heavily intertwined but not unseverable. If they were, they wouldn’t have their own ICUs, their own surgical chiefs in the same specialties etc. UHealth brought back Dr. Lamelas as chief for cardiothoracic surgery (that was a major money move) and then Jackson hired Dr. Segurola for the same thing. Jackson’s major money move is the money being pumped in to the transplant program and building more hospitals.

The best thing for our beloved football program is that they stay separate entities because you are right, one misstep and Jackson can become a real money pit. Third largest hospital in the US that serves so many people.

 

[TheEye]

Dude is saying that the program will inject addtional 20 to 30 million a year. Mentioned White (FAU), Frevola, and Associate AD from Bama as candidates.

White has done nothing to make me think he is any better than any former Miami AD. The guy got bamboozled into hiring Willie Taggart. How is the FAU baseball and basketball program?

 

[Empirical Cane]

Funny that after YEARS of hearing (often by people around here) that we don't have money for athletics or especially that we don't understand how university budgets work and you CANNOT just take money from one end of a university and dump it in another that Kirk Herbstreit (God bless him) makes ONE comment on national TV and BAM....here's $30 mil! And why are people citing that the money is so easily available? Because UHealth is raking it in.

Sooooo maybe as a future point of reference whenever we discuss college athletics and university finances let's just adhere to the notion of "Where there's a will (or effective public pressure)....there's always a way".

I don't think anyone would disagree with that last part of your last sentence. Most of the above is kinda sorta accuarate im terms of how inflexible those budget line items really are.

For now, we have two competing messages/rumors as to the source of the new funds supposedly being made avaialble to the athleric department:

1) UMiami is going to magically harvest funds from their current accounts (medical, fusion power, teleporter, pixie dust, unicorn hair, wherever) ; and

2) UM is going to look to the (a) Golden Canes and say you want to win, show me the money!


I suppose as this plays out we will find out.

My guess is the majority of the new injection of funds will come from #2 with maybe a touch from #1.

FFS, none of us care at this point if they open a plastic surgery clinic to simply harvest all profits (they are big money makers) bavk over to oir Hurricanes.

I say ***** and butt lifts for all who can afford it--we need savages!!

 

[Empirical Cane]

It’s easy to feel like they’re all intertwined. They definitely are. When I was a student rotating there we had conferences in one hospital but then had to report to the other and then go back to the other for an afternoon presentation and so on and so forth. The medical school is on site as well so grand rounds are in there. A lot of walking around that area.

I would definitely say they’re heavily intertwined but not unseverable. If they were, they wouldn’t have their own ICUs, their own surgical chiefs in the same specialties etc. UHealth brought back Dr. Lamelas as chief for cardiothoracic surgery (that was a major money move) and then Jackson hired Dr. Segurola for the same thing. Jackson’s major money move is the money being pumped in to the transplant program and building more hospitals.

The best thing for our beloved football program is that they stay separate entities because you are right, one misstep and Jackson can become a real money pit. Third largest hospital in the US that serves so many people.

Muchas gracias senor!

And as you know... Trauma is a critical. community need, but it is a HUGE money pit. No one makes profit on Trauma (especially Level I) without government price support.

 

[pacusmc]

They have hundreds of MOAs that make both entities, at least from an in-patient/surgical perspective, unseverable. Could they survive without each other? Kinda sorta, not really. The co-dependency amongst pick-a-product-line is essentially what makes them one in the same. Also, DoD (Army mainly) has an important presence in Trauma with both Jackson and UHealth to maintain proficiency and medical readiness (AF uses Baltimore Shock and Navy uses Tulane Trauma... I digress).

Also, most UHealth outpatient refers specialty care to Jackson campus, in turn, in-patient admissions go from UHealth to Jackson. Then for rehab stints, Jackson releases back to UHealth because its all one giant campus with the outpatient feeder clinics extending their reach farther and farther afield.

Its brilliant actually.

Yes, Baptist pursuing a Trauma Center (I heard it was going to start as Level III) is laughable and the Certificate of Need was denied rightly so.

The money is in the cancer centers also. Sylvester brings in some serious coin.
Level 1 trauma center also bring in some government money I believe . Reimbursement has gone up significantly since 20 years ago cause some trauma centers in the late 90’s were losing a lot of money.

 

[Empirical Cane]

The money is in the cancer centers also. Sylvester brings in some serious coin.
Level 1 trauma to a dine more for the finding as well. Reimbursement has gone up significantly since 20 years ago cause some trauma centers in the late 90’s were losing a lot of money.

They were hemorraghing. I know mine was.

Yes, RVU/RWP have increased....... BUT....

with the re-admission risks and those costs being borne essentially 100% by the facility (regardlesa if patient is to blame or not), $$$$ just evaporates quickly.


Ya'll are making my day!!

 

[armandose23]

Muchas gracias senor!

And as you know... Trauma is a critical. community need, but it is a HUGE money pit. No one makes profit on Trauma (especially Level I) without government price support.

100%. I have family that’s part of the higher ups ar Baptist and before Kendall Regional opened up as a Trauma Center I asked my cousin (the higher up family member) why Baptist main wouldn’t and she said “it’s a money pit”. And then after Kendall Regional did it they wanted to do it and we’re denied lol

 

[Empirical Cane]

100%. I have family that’s part of the higher ups ar Baptist and before Kendall Regional opened up as a Trauma Center I asked my cousin (the higher up family member) why Baptist main wouldn’t and she said “it’s a money pit”. And then after Kendall Regional did it they wanted to do it and we’re denied lol

Te quiero.

Te quiero mucho.

 

[CrooKs]

Not that I've ever worked on it directly, but they're in constant flux with that partnership/agreement. I'm surprised people haven't gone to blows over some of their...disagreements. Ha.

BTW, love your tagline. Reminds me of "el que da primero, da doble."

90% of the post on this board leave me thinking this place is filled with complete idiots. Then a discussion like this happens and I realize that there are some very professional and intelligent people roaming these halls. I began reading this thread and never imagined there would be a side discussion on SI lmao. Well done fellas.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You should speak with your provider about Xanax.


If you knew anything about RVUs, RWPs, standard of care liabilities, HHS audits, etc... etc...etc...and how they all roll up into one giant shït burrito of the often adversarial relationship between faciliites (you don't even know what that means) and the various physician groups (don't get me started on hospitalists), $1B is kinda not enough for an integrated medical campus of that size.

You are welcome.

Another word-salad vomit that has nothing to do with your weak bullsh!t about UM being on the hook for $400 million after "a misstep or two".

Hilarious. You can never admit that you were wrong about anything, even when caught red-handed by your own words.

Maybe you can regale us with the tall tale of the alpha dog trustee whose tweets are the functional equivalent of UM press releases.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Another word-salad vomit that has nothing to do with your weak bullsh!t about UM being on the hook for $400 million after "a misstep or two".

Hilarious. You can never admit that you were wrong about anything, even when caught red-handed by your own words.

Maybe you can regale us with the tall tale of the alpha dog trustee whose tweets are the functional equivalent of UM press releases.

Thankfully, it appears that everyone you are desperately seeking validation from, kinda sorta agrees with the theme of what I said. Kinda a problem for you.

In .00000001 secs using the google on the internets, I found this.... and its only one of likely hundreds of legal liabilities facing just UHealth, let alone Jackson.

Miami Herald Reports on $22 Million Proposed Settlement of Whistleblower Lawsuit Against UM Health System - SKN Law

Miami, FL | November 6, 2020 – Stumphauzer, Foslid, Sloman, Ross, and Kolaya's Jeffrey Sloman was referenced in a Miami Herald article on a proposed $22 million settlement of a whistleblower lawsuit that Sloman filed on behalf of his client Jeffrey Lord against UM Health System.

sfslaw.com

Seriously, seek help. People are starting to talk.

You
are
welcome.

 

[Empirical Cane]

90% of the post on this board leave me thinking this place is filled with complete idiots. Then a discussion like this happens and I realize that there are some very professional and intelligent people roaming these halls. I began reading this thread and never imagined there would be a side discussion on SI lmao. Well done fellas.

I think you are about 9.9% low in your assessment.

Myself first and foremost on the list.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Thankfully, it appears that everyone you are desperately seeking validation from, kinda sorta agrees with the theme of what I said.

Seriously, seek help. People are starting to talk.

You
are
welcome.

Sure.

You: "They have hundreds of MOAs that make both entities, at least from an in-patient/surgical perspective, unseverable."

Person more knowledgeable than you: "I would definitely say they’re heavily intertwined but not unseverable."

Keep spinning that weak bullsh!t.