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DAILY DEBATE: Who is the better player, Xavier Restrepo or Roscoe Parrish?

bshaw28 said:
@Rellyrell & @DMoney - I think you're both making good points.

But the game changing is the main point here. Comparing passing/receiving stats from 20 years ago doesn't work.

Example:

2000 - Santana Moss (45) & Reggie Wayne (43) caught 88 combined
2023 - Xavier Restrepo caught 85 by himself

That doesn't mean X gets open at the same rate as Moss & Wayne did.
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I think the key here is where they ranked relative to their peers.

Restrepo was 20th in the nation, Roscoe was 75th.
 
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Rosco more dynamic and a threat to score anytime especially on special teams. X is the tougher well rounded player and has a better route tree as a wr. Depending on the make up of your team this can go either way. I would take Rosco though cause u can find a Restrepo anywhere, u can’t find a Rosco though in each recruiting class.
 
bshaw28 said:
@Rellyrell & @DMoney - I think you're both making good points.

But the game changing is the main point here. Comparing passing/receiving stats from 20 years ago doesn't work.

Example:

2000 - Santana Moss (45) & Reggie Wayne (43) caught 88 combined
2023 - Xavier Restrepo caught 85 by himself

That doesn't mean X gets open at the same rate as Moss & Wayne did.
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DMoney said:
I think the key here is where they ranked relative to their peers.

Restrepo was 20th in the nation, Roscoe was 75th.
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That's a good point and I totally understand if you're looking at stats that way, but IMO this downgrades that a bit:

2023 - Restrepo - 20th
2021 - Rambo - 19th
2020 - Harley - 25th (Covid skews it a bit, but Harley would've been close to 1,000 yds in a normal year)

Back in 2004 Our Fullbacks caught 22 passes. It's just a totally different Offense now for the WR's.

I think it's a legit question and I don't want to undermine X - he had a great year and I really like him. I just think it's hard to make a stats comparison here.
 
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DMoney said:
I think the key here is where they ranked relative to their peers.

Restrepo was 20th in the nation, Roscoe was 75th.
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OK, so by this standard X is better than Moss & Wayne, too, correct?

Reggie’s best year (2000) he was 55th compared to his peers in rec. yrds, & 101st in rec. Does this mean X was open more than Wayne or that he was a better receiver than Wayne?

In Santana’s best year (1999), he was 35th in rec. yrds compared to his peers & 53rd in rec. Again I ask the above referenced ?

If the answer is no, then why try to use this criteria in comparing X to Parrish? Now, let’s get to the nuts & crannies of this:

X was 18th in rec. & 20th in yards compared to the WR season of 2023-2024. This out performs:
-Thomas (1990)
-Both Moss (1999, & 2005 respectively)
-Wayne (2000)
-Dre (2002)
-Parrish (2004)

But let’s look at other things:
Where did X rank when it came to yards/reception compared to his peers? (210th out of 469; right next to Mark Pope)

Thomas (50th out of 290)
Sa. Moss (58th out of 338)
Wayne (37th out of 369)
Dre (3rd out of 376)
Parrish (48th out of 383)
Si. Moss (40th out of 426)

What about getting into the end zone; where did X rank compared to his peers? (101st out of 469)

Thomas (42nd out of 290)
Sa. Moss (50th out of 338)
Wayne (17th out of 369)
Dre (23rd out of 376)
Parrish (29th out of 383)
Si. Moss (69th out of 426)

So bringing up simply yards doesn’t really help ur argument that X is a better receiver than Parrish, or where he ranked in said yards compared to his peers for that season. If that was the case than X would be better than above mentioned players. Why those guys were more impactful was b/c those few receptions mattered. It mattered for big chunk plays, & it mattered by getting in to the end zone.

X had a lot of bubble & tunnel screens that inflated those reception #’s. Is he a $ player for us, reliable, dependable? Yes, but when I look at the totality of Parrish career at Miami & his impact, I’m sorry it doesn’t compare. Now, if X comes back this season & puts up 50+ receptions for 900+ yrds, & 8+ TDs, we’ll have a different convo.
 
Rellyrell said:
OK, so by this standard X is better than Moss & Wayne, too, correct?

Reggie’s best year (2000) he was 55th compared to his peers in rec. yrds, & 101st in rec. Does this mean X was open more than Wayne or that he was a better receiver than Wayne?

In Santana’s best year (1999), he was 35th in rec. yrds compared to his peers & 53rd in rec. Again I ask the above referenced ?

If the answer is no, then why try to use this criteria in comparing X to Parrish? Now, let’s get to the nuts & crannies of this:

X was 18th in rec. & 20th in yards compared to the WR season of 2023-2024. This out performs:
-Thomas (1990)
-Both Moss (1999, & 2005 respectively)
-Wayne (2000)
-Dre (2002)
-Parrish (2004)

But let’s look at other things:
Where did X rank when it came to yards/reception compared to his peers? (210th out of 469; right next to Mark Pope)

Thomas (50th out of 290)
Sa. Moss (58th out of 338)
Wayne (37th out of 369)
Dre (3rd out of 376)
Parrish (48th out of 383)
Si. Moss (40th out of 426)

What about getting into the end zone; where did X rank compared to his peers? (101st out of 469)

Thomas (42nd out of 290)
Sa. Moss (50th out of 338)
Wayne (17th out of 369)
Dre (23rd out of 376)
Parrish (29th out of 383)
Si. Moss (69th out of 426)

So bringing up simply yards doesn’t really help ur argument that X is a better receiver than Parrish, or where he ranked in said yards compared to his peers for that season. If that was the case than X would be better than above mentioned players. Why those guys were more impactful was b/c those few receptions mattered. It mattered for big chunk plays, & it mattered by getting in to the end zone.

X had a lot of bubble & tunnel screens that inflated those reception #’s. Is he a $ player for us, reliable, dependable? Yes, but when I look at the totality of Parrish career at Miami & his impact, I’m sorry it doesn’t compare. Now, if X comes back this season & puts up 50+ receptions for 900+ yrds, & 8+ TDs, we’ll have a different convo.
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Moss and Wayne split targets with each other, as well as Andre King. That was a truly loaded room and a really good offense. It was so deep that Andre Johnson didn’t even play. Much different than Roscoe’s group. One of the reasons the 03-04 rooms got so much criticism is because of the greatness that preceded them.

In 2002, Andre had 1,000+ yards and finished 24th in the nation. He was very productive.

The stats are very important and favor Restrepo, but nobody is saying they are dispositive on their own. Here, the stats match the eye test. If I need a key conversion, I want Restrepo over Parrish all day. If I need a deep ball, I go Parrish.
 
DMoney said:
Moss and Wayne split targets with each other, as well as Andre King. That was a truly loaded room and a really good offense. It was so deep that Andre Johnson didn’t even play. Much different than Roscoe’s group. One of the reasons the 03-04 rooms got so much criticism is because of the greatness that preceded them.

In 2002, Andre had 1,000+ yards and finished 24th in the nation. He was very productive.

The stats are very important and favor Restrepo, but nobody is saying they are dispositive on their own. Here, the stats match the eye test. If I need a key conversion, I want Restrepo over Parrish all day. If I need a deep ball, I go Parrish.
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Did not Parrish split w/ Moss, Olsen? Was not Moss & Olsen 2nd & 1st round picks respectively?

If u’re stuck on X, be stuck on X, but ur reasons for being stuck on him aren’t adding up. Parrish has more all purpose yards in a shorter period of time, played w/ less accurate QB, played in a different system, had more TDs in a shorter period of time, had a higher per…if ur argument is X had more receptions and yards, that’s why, then like I said it’s the argument than LBJ fans use w/o any context.
 
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