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DAILY DEBATE: Who is the better player, Xavier Restrepo or Roscoe Parrish?

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DMoney said:
Those are tight ends. I’m talking wide receivers. You listed Sinorice Moss, who had 492 yards total in the three years he played with Roscoe.

It was a thin room behind Andre. If the implication is that the tight ends took Roscoe’s targets, it doesn’t explain why Ryan Moore had twice as many receiving yards as him in 2003.

As for the idea of that he would have excelled with the rule changes, I think it’s overstated. Lamar Thomas was just as skinny as Roscoe and he set receiving records here.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we had Roscoe on this year’s team because of his unique game breaking ability. I can definitely buy he’s a better overall football player. But I don’t think he’d be our leading receiver, or anywhere close to the 1,500-yard season you projected. He never stood out in that category.
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1. TEs were a pivotal part of our offensive passing game, which is y I listed them there.

2. X has had one year of production, so should I bring up his 2020-2022 seasons and why guys like Mike Harley, Key Smiff, Mark Pope had more yards than him?

3. Are u forgetting that Ryan Moore was a 5* & #1 WR in the nation for the class of 2002, r we being selective in our memory b/c we know the end result of playing careers?

4.
-Lamar Thomas was 6’1 175 lbs, Roscoe Parrish was 5’9 175 lbs.

-Lamar Thomas played here 4 yrs, Roscoe Parrish played here 3 yrs

-From 1989-1992, The U under Erickson threw the ball 1,736x & rushed the ball 1,356x or on avg. 434 passes/yr & 339 rushes/yr. From 2002-2004, Miami threw the ball 1,193x & rushed the ball 1,087x or 398 passes/yr & 362 rushes/yr

5. X’s best receiving season was in 2023-2024 while Roscoe’s was in 2003-2004. In 2023, we threw the ball approx. 70x more than the 2003 season. X was targeted on 28% of those passes w/ a 70% success rate (85 receptions).

Unfortunately, targets & analytics r a new thing in sports, so I’m not able to gather how many times Roscoe was targeted in the 2003 season. Here’s what we do know:

-X accounted for 19.5% of the QB Room’s completion.
-Roscoe accounted for 11.6% of his QB Room’s completion

Let’s just do some math; let’s say Roscoe also accounted for 19.5% of his QB’s completions, that would’ve put his receptions at 72 on the year. He avg. 16.1 ypr which means Parrish would’ve put up 1,159 yrds. He avg. 1 TD every 5.4 reception, which means Parrish would’ve had 13 TDs.

So if all things were equal, even based upon Miami throwing the ball 70x less in 2003 vs. 2023, IF Parrish was targeted at the same clip as X, his numbers would’ve been 72 rec. 1,159 yrds & 13 TDs.

Now, why am I bringing up this “hypothetical?” B/c context is important. The reason y Parrish was drafted in the 2nd round was b/c of the explosive value/potential he brought to the WR room, the proven value he brought to the special teams unit, & the added value that he brought as a gadget running back.

All things r not equal, which is y it’s moot to bring up raw stats from different eras w/o doing deep dives into the numbers. It’s the same thing LBJ fans do when they talk a lot the GOAT debate. If we’re going to talk #’s then let’s talk #’s vs. some stat sheet or box score. We need full context, & eye test.

X had a great yr, but let’s pump the brakes & understand

1. The game has changed
2. He was spoon fed a lot of passes
 
AlexCane said:
Want a funny stat?

Roscoe's CAREER: 86-1355-12.
X LAST YEAR ALONE: 85-1092-6.

I think X is likely the better overall football player. Roscoe was more electric and was fun as **** to watch, but he was a little gimmicky because of his size. I still remember seeing him in Dadeland when he got drafted by the Bills and I was stunned at how small and thin he was. Dude must have had some cojones because he had to be the smallest guy on the field at all times. He was one of my favorites growing up.
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Watched both play. Both have different skill sets.

With X, he doesn't have the speed to match Parish, but he does have great hands and great body control (an underrated part of his game), good size at 200 which means he breaks tackles, gets the extra yard and can block. He gets open , the QB trust him, can field punts and the production speaks for itself. Give me X.
 
Rellyrell said:
1. TEs were a pivotal part of our offensive passing game, which is y I listed them there.

2. X has had one year of production, so should I bring up his 2020-2022 seasons and why guys like Mike Harley, Key Smiff, Mark Pope had more yards than him?

3. Are u forgetting that Ryan Moore was a 5* & #1 WR in the nation for the class of 2002, r we being selective in our memory b/c we know the end result of playing careers?

4.
-Lamar Thomas was 6’1 175 lbs, Roscoe Parrish was 5’9 175 lbs.

-Lamar Thomas played here 4 yrs, Roscoe Parrish played here 3 yrs

-From 1989-1992, The U under Erickson threw the ball 1,736x & rushed the ball 1,356x or on avg. 434 passes/yr & 339 rushes/yr. From 2002-2004, Miami threw the ball 1,193x & rushed the ball 1,087x or 398 passes/yr & 362 rushes/yr

5. X’s best receiving season was in 2023-2024 while Roscoe’s was in 2003-2004. In 2023, we threw the ball approx. 70x more than the 2003 season. X was targeted on 28% of those passes w/ a 70% success rate (85 receptions).

Unfortunately, targets & analytics r a new thing in sports, so I’m not able to gather how many times Roscoe was targeted in the 2003 season. Here’s what we do know:

-X accounted for 19.5% of the QB Room’s completion.
-Roscoe accounted for 11.6% of his QB Room’s completion

Let’s just do some math; let’s say Roscoe also accounted for 19.5% of his QB’s completions, that would’ve put his receptions at 72 on the year. He avg. 16.1 ypr which means Parrish would’ve put up 1,159 yrds. He avg. 1 TD every 5.4 reception, which means Parrish would’ve had 13 TDs.

So if all things were equal, even based upon Miami throwing the ball 70x less in 2003 vs. 2023, IF Parrish was targeted at the same clip as X, his numbers would’ve been 72 rec. 1,159 yrds & 13 TDs.

Now, why am I bringing up this “hypothetical?” B/c context is important. The reason y Parrish was drafted in the 2nd round was b/c of the explosive value/potential he brought to the WR room, the proven value he brought to the special teams unit, & the added value that he brought as a gadget running back.

All things r not equal, which is y it’s moot to bring up raw stats from different eras w/o doing deep dives into the numbers. It’s the same thing LBJ fans do when they talk a lot the GOAT debate. If we’re going to talk #’s then let’s talk #’s vs. some stat sheet or box score. We need full context, & eye test.

X had a great yr, but let’s pump the brakes & understand

1. The game has changed
2. He was spoon fed a lot of passes
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You had the key stat in there. Restrepo had 19%
of his team’s catches, while Roscoe had 11%. Restrepo got the ball more because he was open more.

We were begging for someone to step up at receiver in 2003 and 2004. That position was the #1 complaint of Canes fans (maybe #2, behind Brock). The rooms were talented, but unreliable. Parrish was smart like Restrepo (former QB) but his play strength limited him in traffic. He was only 168 at the combine and he didn’t play physical.

Restrepo played last season at 210+ pounds and he kept his quickness. People said TVD targeted him too much, and then Jacurri targeted him 17 times in the bowl. Cam Ward fed him all spring and in the spring game.

Restrepo would have been much needed back in 2003-2004 as a QB-friendly option, just like Parrish is needed now as a gamebreaking returner and deep threat.
 
DMoney said:
You had the key stat in there. Restrepo had 19%
of his team’s catches, while Roscoe had 11%. Restrepo got the ball more because he was open more.

We were begging for someone to step up at receiver in 2003 and 2004. That position was the #1 complaint of Canes fans (maybe #2, behind Brock). The rooms were talented, but unreliable. Parrish was smart like Restrepo (former QB) but his play strength limited him in traffic. He was only 168 at the combine and he didn’t play physical.

Restrepo played last season at 210+ pounds and he kept his quickness. People said TVD targeted him too much, and then Jacurri targeted him 17 times in the bowl. Cam Ward fed him all spring and in the spring game.

Restrepo would have been much needed back in 2003-2004 as a QB-friendly option, just like Parrish is needed now as a gamebreaking returner and deep threat.
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Did u just equate that Restrepo got the ball more b/c he was open more? Lol. OK, my guy. Selective memory is a mutha.
 
Rellyrell said:
Did u just equate that Restrepo got the ball more b/c he was open more? Lol. OK, my guy. Selective memory is a mutha.
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What do you remember of our receivers in 03-04? Did you think at the time you were watching a loaded group?

Those teams were dying for an assertive playmaker. Roscoe had it between the ears and and athletically but he was too light. He struggled when guys got their hands on him and at the contested-catch point. He was similar to how he was in the pros. Elite returner, very good deep threat, but not a reliable receiver because of a lack of play strength.
 
DMoney said:
What do you remember of our receivers in 03-04? Did you think at the time you were watching a loaded group?

Those teams were dying for an assertive playmaker. Roscoe had it between the ears and athletically but he was incredibly light. He struggled when guys got their hands on him and at the contested-catch point. He was similar to how he was in the pros. Elite returner, very good deep threat, but not a reliable receiver because of a lack of play strength.
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This is what I remember:

1. We had a QB in Brock Berlin who completed 56% of passes.

2. We played in the now antiquated pro style offense w/ Berlin being hit or miss in it

3. Parrish played along w/ another 2nd Rd WR in Sinorice Moss

4. Frank Gore was steady

That’s what I recall from the 2004 season. I also recall this team losing some incredibly frustrating games like the OT loss to a bad Clemson team, & a 3 point loss to a horrific UNC team. I also recall Parrish avg. like 3 or 4 catches per game, but those catches went a long ways. I lastly recall Parrish as a returner that year was electric af. In fact, I would venture to say w/o Parrish that season looks even worst than it was.

That’s what I recall.
 
I honestly don’t recall much from Roscoe’s career but all I’ll say is X caught 85 for 1092 from TVD, a true freshman and a RB playing QB.
 
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Rellyrell said:
This is what I remember:

1. We had a QB in Brock Berlin who completed 56% of passes.

2. We played in the now antiquated pro style offense w/ Berlin being hit or miss in it

3. Parrish played along w/ another 2nd Rd WR in Sinorice Moss

4. Frank Gore was steady

That’s what I recall from the 2004 season. I also recall this team losing some incredibly frustrating games like the OT loss to a bad Clemson team, & a 3 point loss to a horrific UNC team. I also recall Parrish avg. like 3 or 4 catches per game, but those catches went a long ways. I lastly recall Parrish as a returner that year was electric af. In fact, I would venture to say w/o Parrish that season looks even worst than it was.

That’s what I recall.
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He was always a good deep threat, even in the pros. Him and Brock clicked in that aspect.

It was the in-between. How many games did Roscoe take over as a receiver? Not too many come to mind for me.

Restrepo is one of the most productive receivers nationally in an era of great receiver play and offenses. He stands out among his peers. His weight (almost 50 pounds heavier) allows him to be physical and assertive in a way Roscoe couldn’t.
 
DMoney said:
He was always a good deep threat, even in the pros. Him and Brock clicked in that aspect.

It was the in-between. How many games did Roscoe take over as a receiver? Not too many come to mind for me.

Restrepo is one of the most productive receivers nationally in an era of great receiver play and offenses. He stands out among his peers. His weight (almost 50 pounds heavier) allows him to be physical and assertive in a way Roscoe couldn’t.
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I believe Parrish took over a couple of game. Iirc, his game against NCSt was pretty dog on good. His game against GT was pretty **** good, too.

And what in between game?! Lol. Brock would go from hitting u on a dime for 50 yrds, to straight dirting or air mailing a pass w/in 8 yrds. lol

That’s y I said it’s moot to even try to compare the two. What’s undeniable is X had a good yr here, but in 3 yrs Roscoe had more of an impact as an all around, overall player. The all purpose stats highlight this, & he found the end zone way more than X in a shorter period of time, including as a WR.
 
Rellyrell said:
I believe Parrish took over a couple of game. Iirc, his game against NCSt was pretty dog on good. His game against GT was pretty **** good, too.

And what in between game?! Lol. Brock would go from hitting u on a dime for 50 yrds, to straight dirting or air mailing a pass w/in 8 yrds. lol

That’s y I said it’s moot to even try to compare the two. What’s undeniable is X had a good yr here, but in 3 yrs Roscoe had more of an impact as an all around, overall player. The all purpose stats highlight this, & he found the end zone way more than X in a shorter period of time, including as a WR.
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One thing this thread brought back: I was wasting my Sundays arguing about WRs on the internet in 2004, too.

We have a sickness.
 
Roscoe crazy explosive compared to X and so many returns and catches in big games. Not sure if JoJo or Ny can even be that of us.

With that said, X needs a less X year with 50-55 catches and 800-850 yards to be the ALL-TIME school leader in BOTH.

For that reason, I'm taking X.
 
I'm off a couple days and this is still going on, haha.

I think there's a lot that can be agreed upon:
1. Roscoe was more electric and more athletic. Faster too.
2. Roscoe was a HR threat each time he touched the ball.
3. Roscoe was the better returner.
4. X is more dependable and more productive.
5. X is a better receiver. (I think most agree with this statement.)

So, who you taking? I guess that depends on each individual. You like flash or substance?
 
DMoney said:
One thing this thread brought back: I was wasting my Sundays arguing about WRs on the internet in 2004, too.

We have a sickness.
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& the fact u’re making us re-live that disappointing season makes u a sick #%#%! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I vividly remember that Clemson game since I was there. An unbelievable loss. I just KNEW after that debacle against UNC at UNC we would come back & murder Clemson who was 4-4 entering that game AT HOME. I’m frustrated all over again. We lost to 3-4 UNC team & 4-4 Clemson team in back to back weeks. I mean…I digress. I hate it here. Lol
 
Roscoe was by far and away the fan favorite in his day, and I think that he would be now or at any other time. Restrepo, without exception, is respected by everyone, but there is a difference in being a fan favorite, (think brace balls) and being statistically better.
 
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Rellyrell said:

1. The game has changed
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@Rellyrell & @DMoney - I think you're both making good points.

But the game changing is the main point here. Comparing passing/receiving stats from 20 years ago doesn't work.

Example:

2000 - Santana Moss (45) & Reggie Wayne (43) caught 88 combined
2023 - Xavier Restrepo caught 85 by himself

That doesn't mean X gets open at the same rate as Moss & Wayne did.
 
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