Crow eating time

[canecrazy23]

I see a lot of najeh in fletch. Not quite as fast and doesn't run quite as hard. But for those that know najeh prior to his injury know that's a complement. Not a knock on him.

Najeh was FAST!!!!!!!!

 

[ben]

Real time footage of @NicKane

 

[Brooklyndee]

You flat out said that this year’s defensive line looks no different than last years. Maybe you need to go listen to the podcast this summer where you cried like a baby on your little temper tantrum. Because that’s exactly what you ******* said and I’m telling you, just like the Dmoney told you then that you’re wrong. Last year’s defensive line couldn’t hold a stick to this years. If you played the game, you would’ve realized that before you even said it on the podcast, but nonetheless, you’re wrong and I’m gonna keep calling you out about it until you eat your well-deserved crow. Now, having this conversation with you, it’s clear you’re never going to admit it, but we all know the truth. I look forward to hearing on the podcast you continuing to whine about the second and third string defensive line of what is probably the best defensive line in the country this year. So keep digging your heels in the sand sport. Lol

Not to take pizza side and anything here because I still have my issues with his undrafted free agent management days but you both have points You're right and wrong about. The main difference between this year's D-Line and last year's d line is it's more direct approach than anything else. Not doing all the stunts , not really doing anything other than line up and beat the man across from you. Which was my biggest issue with last year's line. Just too much deception s*** opposed to where better than you and we're going to dominate you which is this year's approach. Now where you are 100% right there is definitely far heavier physics this year than last because those same dudes from last year other than Barrow obviously being gone have had another year in the weight room there's been some weight gain I wouldn't say 20 25 lb Scott is probably the biggest difference when it relates to weight on just because last year he still had baby fat opposed to this year he's just big in general strong as an ox. Without reading through all the rest of this because I refuse to do all of that we've got about five dudes on this year's team that all go over 305 310 right in that area. None of them fat. Last year only ones that were really like that were Barrow, Moten and Scott. Where Scott and Moten weren't in the greatest of shape. If anything the biggest difference between last year's d-line and this other than the deception is simply the fact are strength on the line last year was youth and as anyone that's played football knows especially on the interior the biggest difference is growing into your body. You're battling with grown men.

 

[JHallCanes]

@cway313

 

[Calinative]

I told D not to parrot the same stuff about them looking different physically becuase it was the same crew as last year. We knew there was talent there, which I've always loved. You lied and said players were 25 pounds heavier than they were and have continuosly moved the goalposts. I never said those guys weren't 300. I stated their weights on that show. I said it was the same players and that nobody was 310-320+, which remains true.

Definitely no reason to doubt you about the weights, even though it is objectively dumb as **** that mario has determind weights are some top secret intel... even though you obviously had the green light to tell them on the podcast and if you ask the players they'll all tell you lol. Like what is the point of that? Just another dumb thing that mario cares about for some reason...

However you absolutely were not doing anything close to hyping up our dline at all lol. Pretty much the extent of your positive talk about the Dline at least prior to the season was like saying we'll see. Also given you kept on saying the Dline was mostly the same as last year and given last year the Dline did NOT perform well... You can see how thatd be like you being down on the Dline. I mean personally I think our biggest issue was the stunting last year, however clearly we are bigger at DT this year than last year without question.
I'm sure you were confident in the starting unit, but you definitely have not at all been confident in the depth at all. So we will see about that. But I'd say given we have 4 contributors at EDGE right now and 3 at DT... it's pretty good so far. Not like there are that many teams that are so good at DT4 that they would shrug off an injury to a top 2 dt on their depth chart either...

HOWEVER, this point of not looking different physically makes like no sense.
You're telling me Blount and Lightfoot look the same as last year?
Bain healthy (and with some weight cut I assume) is the same as last year?
The addition of Lowe who likely looks like a monster.
Mesidor being the same player but playing Edge instead of DT - where his size/phsyicality/athleticism makes a LOT more sense
Moten getting in better shape apparently
Daylen Russell look the same as last year? Addition of Donta Simpson...

We went from a starting DT unit of Mesidor and Barrow - both of whom were incredibly undersized - to Blay/Moten/Scott. That's quite a difference. Even if the guys were on the team, they can absolutely look different...

 

[Calinative]

For those of you who spent all offseason talking down on these players and staff come get your plate.

Crown being served for

• Mark “Put’em on a Stretcher” Fletcher, CIS said he was mid and has no wiggle
• The whole WR room, CIS said they were unproven and can’t depend on true freshmen
• Akheem “the dream” Mesidor, CIS said he was mid and his snaps needed to go to the young guys
• Chase Smith, CIS said he will never play here and moves like a robot
• Miami defense, CIS said this defense will be ok at best
• And the countless other ridiculous takes about this team
• Defensive Line, CIS saiid it was mid at best, DT is a major concern, and can Blay even play at this level

You guys were bold enough to say those things, now be bold enough to admit you know nothing LOL

My only issues with this are:

1. Mark Fletcher has wiggle now? lmao. Did yall watch the same USF game I did?

2. I'm still not sold at all on Chase Smith. He had a good game against USF. Uh, we will go against far better competition going forward for the most part.

 

[Marcelo2988]

For a fanbase that grew up seeing multiple NFL HOF backs *in the same backfield* the bar is high. Fletcher is the goods. His only sin is he's not Portis, Gore, or McGahee.

I get that but that was 25 years ago.

I prefer to live in reality than compare the present to 25-30 years ago.

You'll never be satisfied comparing current players to NFL HOF'ers (not you just saying)

 

[407cane]

some of these might have been okay concerns

I'll never understand the hysteria around the WR position

WR's have ALWAYS produced in Dawson's system and we all were in consensus that we had one of the best QB's in the country. made zero sense for all the negativity surrounding missing on some portal targets for WR

 

[GirthQuake]

Mesidor caught the most heat. I had several debates with posters telling me he is mid and Lightfoot should take his snaps. I made mention that Mesidor was named honorable mention all conference every year he has been healthy and some poster said that means nothing because honorable mention all conference is a meaningless honor and proceeded to say Mesidor was mid at best.

Dude was our best player 2022. There’s people on here that think manny is better than Mario if you didn’t realize posters here have dog**** takes.

 

[grover]

Skipped all the Nickster v Ariz argument. blah blah blah.

We're only 3-0 so crowing or hand wringing both seem a little silly. But since everyone is in a gloating mood, I'm going to point out the red flags.

@Hstokes1447 you and I had multiple discussions about DT depth this offseason. I AM STILL WORRIED. That 4i stuff only pulls a DT on obvious passing downs. So we have 3 DTs for 1.75 spots. It's not enough. No wonder Moten tires out in the second half. And WTF do we do if Blay or Moten get a hammy or worse? I know your answer, move Blount inside. But with both Lowe and McConathy out, we don't have any bigs left to spell Bain and Mesidor at DE. We were always too thin at DT, and I worry we could get exposed there with 10+ games to go.

No one has tested our DBs consistently, and when they do, we've given up some chunk plays. If OJ is being left on an island by the deep cover with the single-high cheating towards Lucas, that puts huge pressure on him. We face enough quality offensive minds in ACC play where they're going to scheme against that and we'll get burnt.. Poyser is still growing into his role. Someone's going to run right by or even over him. And Brown may be the new Amari Carter. Probably not. But maybe.

Also, I call bull**** on anyone here who denies that their sphincter didn't pucker up when that field goal kicker trotted out against ND.

The team is right where we want it to be right now. But making the ACCCG much less the playoffs is a long way out. And our season is a huge disappointment if that doesn't happen.

 

[Hstokes1447]

Skipped all the Nickster v Ariz argument. blah blah blah.

We're only 3-0 so crowing or hand wringing both seem a little silly. But since everyone is in a gloating mood, I'm going to point out the red flags.

@Hstokes1447 you and I had multiple discussions about DT depth this offseason. I AM STILL WORRIED. That 4i stuff only pulls a DT on obvious passing downs. So we have 3 DTs for 1.75 spots. It's not enough. No wonder Moten tires out in the second half. And WTF do we do if Blay or Moten get a hammy or worse? I know your answer, move Blount inside. But with both Lowe and McConathy out, we don't have any bigs left to spell Bain and Mesidor at DE. We were always too thin at DT, and I worry we could get exposed there with 10+ games to go.

No one has tested our DBs consistently, and when they do, we've given up some chunk plays. If OJ is being left on an island by the deep cover with the single-high cheating towards Lucas, that puts huge pressure on him. We face enough quality offensive minds in ACC play where they're going to scheme against that and we'll get burnt.. Poyser is still growing into his role. Someone's going to run right by or even over him. And Brown may be the new Amari Carter. Probably not. But maybe.

Also, I call bull**** on anyone here who denies that their sphincter didn't pucker up when that field goal kicker trotted out against ND.

The team is right where we want it to be right now. But making the ACCCG much less the playoffs is a long way out. And our season is a huge disappointment if that doesn't happen.

I understand and agree with the DT depth concern and in all honesty Texas might be the only team in the nation that does not have DT depth concerns, even Georgia fans are concerned about depth at DT.

The truth is, the only answer at DT is for Simpson, Russell, and Jones to step up. Simpson is starting to see his snap count increase, let’s see if this staff can continue to development him. It will be incredible if he can provide 15 solid snaps per game. I honestly like the little I have seen from Russell, he is not easily moved. He currently is the Temu version of Blay, but he does have something to work with.

Dream DT Snap Count:
David Blay - 36 snaps
Ahmad Moten - 35 snaps
Justin Scott - 34 snaps
Armonod Blount - 15 snaps
Donta Simpson - 14 snaps
Daylen Russell - 3 snaps
Artavius Jones - 2 snaps

 

[UnForgiven]

This has been an incredible break-up thread.

Which one keeps the cat?

 

[NicKane]

My info is from Players themselves on weigh day, coaches, and the roster only a few have from weigh day - unlike your eye test. The weights the players rold me were all confirmed and and matched the roster I received. This is not the roster made to be posted, which is why the weights aren't online and there is no reason for those to be fabricated.

 

[NicKane]

I told D not to parrot the same stuff about them looking different physically becuase it was the same crew as last year. We knew there was talent there, which I've always loved. You lied and said players were 25 pounds heavier than they were and have continuosly moved the goalposts. I never said those guys weren't 300. I stated their weights on that show. I said it was the same players and that nobody was 310-320+, which remains true.

but here’s the thing, it’s not the same crew as last year. Our four defensive tackles last year were Moten, Mesidor, Scott coming off basketball season who was not an early entry and not over 300 pounds when he got here and the dude from Michigan State that didn’t even get drafted. Moten was the only one over 300 pounds. This year, our defensive tackles are Moten and Scott again, Blay and Simpson. All four of them over 300 pounds. So again I ask you this question, is it better to have four defensive tackles over 300 pounds or just one? Answer the question please, no more word salad. I know they teach math in Columbus.

 

[NicKane]

Not to take pizza side and anything here because I still have my issues with his undrafted free agent management days but you both have points You're right and wrong about. The main difference between this year's D-Line and last year's d line is it's more direct approach than anything else. Not doing all the stunts , not really doing anything other than line up and beat the man across from you. Which was my biggest issue with last year's line. Just too much deception s*** opposed to where better than you and we're going to dominate you which is this year's approach. Now where you are 100% right there is definitely far heavier physics this year than last because those same dudes from last year other than Barrow obviously being gone have had another year in the weight room there's been some weight gain I wouldn't say 20 25 lb Scott is probably the biggest difference when it relates to weight on just because last year he still had baby fat opposed to this year he's just big in general strong as an ox. Without reading through all the rest of this because I refuse to do all of that we've got about five dudes on this year's team that all go over 305 310 right in that area. None of them fat. Last year only ones that were really like that were Barrow, Moten and Scott. Where Scott and Moten weren't in the greatest of shape. If anything the biggest difference between last year's d-line and this other than the deception is simply the fact are strength on the line last year was youth and as anyone that's played football knows especially on the interior the biggest difference is growing into your body. You're battling with grown men.

Facts and well said. This is exactly what I’ve been trying to explain to @Peter Ariz the defensive line this year is simply just bigger and stronger than it was last year.

 

[bshaw28]

I get that but that was 25 years ago.

I prefer to live in reality than compare the present to 25-30 years ago.

You'll never be satisfied comparing current players to NFL HOF'ers (not you just saying)

Exactly - just go back to last year to see that Fletcher (5.4 ypc) is a level below Martinez (6.3 ypc).

Makes more sense to look at 2024 than 2000.

I've said all along Fletcher would be our best RB this year, and had a really good chance to have a 1k All-ACC season and become a Day 3 draft pick.

But...Fletcher's averaging 6.5 ypc thru 3 games this year. He was averaging 6.6 thru 3 games last year. The USF game is no different than what he did vs Miami-OH as a Fr. or Ball St. as a Soph.

It's not what he did in the last 2 feel good games (BCU & USF). It's what he does in the next 2 (UF & FSU) and the rest of the season that'll be the measuring stick for how good Fletcher is.

Hopefully he balls out.

 

[grover]

Exactly - just go back to last year to see that Fletcher (5.4 ypc) is a level below Martinez (6.3 ypc).

Makes more sense to look at 2024 than 2000.

I've said all along Fletcher would be our best RB this year, and had a really good chance to have a 1k All-ACC season and become a Day 3 draft pick.

But...Fletcher's averaging 6.5 ypc thru 3 games this year. He was averaging 6.6 thru 3 games last year. The USF game is no different than what he did vs Miami-OH as a Fr. or Ball St. as a Soph.

It's not what he did in the last 2 feel good games (BCU & USF). It's what he does in the next 2 (UF & FSU) and the rest of the season that'll be the measuring stick for how good Fletcher is.

Hopefully he balls out.

He looks pretty good out there to me. There are parts of his game that I don't love. But he's a **** good back that hurt people with his force and wear the entire defense down. Great blocker, good receiver. He compliments the rest of the O really well.

 

[bshaw28]

He looks pretty good out there to me. There are parts of his game that I don't love. But he's a **** good back that hurt people with his force and wear the entire defense down. Great blocker, good receiver. He compliments the rest of the O really well.

I'd say Fletcher is very efficient, just un-exciting. He's a good RB.

He excels near the LOS, getting positive yardage, moving piles, converting short yardage, keeping us in positive down & distance, etc. He has a little bit of juice - but it's really when he gets some open field and makes moves he's not athletic enough to pull off is his issue.

My warning is - Yearby, Walton, Cam, Parrish - there's been plenty of Miami RB's that looked great & put up bigger numbers the first 3-4 games than Fletcher has now only to flame out the rest of the season.

Fletcher needs to be big in the next 2 games. I hope we use Fletcher as our bell cow, but I'm a little nervous about the rotation.

 

[grover]

I'd say Fletcher is very efficient, just un-exciting. He's a good RB.

He excels near the LOS, getting positive yardage, moving piles, converting short yardage, keeping us in positive down & distance, etc. He has a little bit of juice - but it's really when he gets some open field and makes moves he's not athletic enough to pull off is his issue.

My warning is - Yearby, Walton, Cam, Parrish - there's been plenty of Miami RB's that looked great & put up bigger numbers the first 3-4 games than Fletcher has now only to flame out the rest of the season.

Fletcher needs to be big in the next 2 games. I hope we use Fletcher as our bell cow, but I'm a little nervous about the rotation.

I expect Lyle to be on a snap count against UF. Besides, I think Mario and Dawson know that Gator DL is in a bend then break situation. Super thin and a hair's breadth away from throwing in the towel. Fletch as bell cow only makes sense. ... FSU, we'll have to see. 1-0,

 

[RVACane]

Najeh was FAST!!!!!!!!

Fast but not Froggie fast.

A lil CIO flashback for the cis faithful