Cristobal - offensive side of the ball

[AlexCane]

It's difficult to gauge. He has Anthony Brown at QB. We've seen that kid play against us. He's a game manager QB. He's not a gunslinger. He only has 2 more 300 yard games than I do.

What we don't know is, is Cristobal limited by Brown or is that who Cristobal is? His history with Herbert suggests maybe the latter but I simply don't know a **** thing about that Herbert Oregon team to determine whether there were other things limiting that offense.

 

[Deleted member 23667]

I'm lukewarm on the prospect of Mario.

He will at least make us respectable again and hopefully he's gotten all of his gameday blunders out of the way but I'm not sold on the offense. I know that the defense will be solid bringing in some elite 5* talents and OL is his specialty so I have no concerns there. Talk me down from the ledge regarding skill positions and the plain vanilla offense he's been running on the offensive side of the ball.

We've got two studs in TVD/Garcia and what I saw out of Oregon with Herbert scares the fvck out of me.

I'm no recruiting expert but it also seems like they are NOT loading the boat with elite skill position offensive talent .... mostly defense and OL.

You could make the argument that if you recruit solid OL and play solid defense, and recruit decent QBs, which we have right now, that the WR and TE positions will take care of themselves.

When is the last time Miami had an elite or close to elite OL?

 

[nobeastofburden]

It's difficult to gauge. He has Anthony Brown at QB. We've seen that kid play against us. He's a game manager QB. He's not a gunslinger. He only has 2 more 300 yard games than I do.

What we don't know is, is Cristobal limited by Brown or is that who Cristobal is? His history with Herbert suggests maybe the latter but I simply don't know a **** thing about that Herbert Oregon team to determine whether there were other things limiting that offense.

Regardless of that, why doesn't he have a better qb with success Herbert is having. Should have trickled down. No reason to be stuck with Brown. All this elite recruiter talk, well, qb is pretty important. Dabo had a string of how many?

 

[AlexCane]

Regardless of that, why doesn't he have a better qb with success Herbert is having. Should have trickled down. No reason to be stuck with Brown. All this elite recruiter talk, well, qb is pretty important. Dabo had a string of how many?

Yeah, no idea what their QB room looks like or what their QB recruiting has been.

 

[KANE]

IF Mario comes to the U, I would hope he’d evaluate the roster and change his O philosophy.

He probably won't. Usually coaches are... who they have always been. They are gonna trust what has worked FOR THEM. Mario is fairly young in his head coaching career (around 10 years total). He just had one of the best QBs in the nation and you saw what they ran. It would be the same or similar here. How long did it take Saban to "change" his take on offense? I realize that Saban is a defensive guy, but it took a while.

 

[DrewZ2]

It's amazing to me that people are wanting to turn down a Power 5 coach who has a 34-11 record at the school and consistently is hanging in the top 10.
Look at the last 5 hires - Coker, Shannon, Golden, Richt, Diaz. 2 had HC experience and only 1 at the Power 5 level (also was half invested and still took us to ACC Champ game)

I'd be more concerned about Lane. Dude hasn't been at a school for more than 4 years. Really soured in year 3 and 4 at USC. Yes Lane is a hot commodity right now because of what he is doing this year.

IMO Cristobal is a better choice AND a safer choice because of his recruiting ability and ties to the school.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Unless it's Kiffin, the next HC woild he wise to at least consider keeping Lashlee around. The O isn't without its faults but we struck gold with TVD and Lashlee has shown a willingness to adjust the offense to suit his skillset.

We've seen QB's like Kaaya and KW struggle in part due to a revolving door at OC. TVD has immense potential, and the O is putting plenty of points on the board as-is. Bring in some plug and play starters along the OL via the portal and its only going to get better.

Lashlee is not that good, brother.

I said it prior to him being hired...and I was right. Better than Enos...better than a lot of our OCs over the past 20 years, but he's mid.

 

[ssvir]

It's amazing to me that people are wanting to turn down a Power 5 coach who has a 34-11 record at the school and consistently is hanging in the top 10.
Look at the last 5 hires - Coker, Shannon, Golden, Richt, Diaz. 2 had HC experience and only 1 at the Power 5 level (also was half invested and still took us to ACC Champ game)

I'd be more concerned about Lane. Dude hasn't been at a school for more than 4 years. Really soured in year 3 and 4 at USC. Yes Lane is a hot commodity right now because of what he is doing this year.

IMO Cristobal is a better choice AND a safer choice because of his recruiting ability and ties to the school.

Thank you for completely ignoring the point of my OP.

We have an elite QB room and Mario with Herbert was meh.

 

[Rd745]

Where is this “conservative offensive philosophy” narrative coming from?

Joe Moorhead is a top 3 OC in CFB, arguably the best. Go look at his offenses at PSU. Better yet, go look at his offenses at Fordham where he had a 1000 yard rusher and 2 1000 yard receivers in 2012/2013. Guy is ridiculously good.

People referenced the article that said Mario held Herbert back in 2019 but only referenced his 1st and 2nd down passing play call rates as evidence of not being aggressive, it was 60/40 in favor of running the ball…

Go look at Lane’s 1st and 2nd down pass rates this year with a first round QB…he runs it 60% of the time on 1st AND 2nd down…not exactly aggressive based on advanced analytics but his offense is one of the best in the country.

If wanting to run the ball down your throat with a mauling OL is “conservative” that’s fine by me…frankly it’s something we’ve been missing considering the stud backs we produce…

 

[RiDLer80]

I think I go back and forth daily

Part of me goes back to the old if he can recruit then he won’t have trouble finding skill players in Miami

But I don’t think it’s that simple either

How many years have we seen our skill players have lackluster careers? At a certain point you need an X's and O's guy to put them in a position to excel.

 

[ssvir]

Where is this “conservative offensive philosophy” narrative coming from?

Joe Moorhead is a top 3 OC in CFB, arguably the best. Go look at his offenses at PSU. Better yet, go look at his offenses at Fordham where he had a 1000 yard rusher and 2 1000 yard receivers in 2012/2013. Guy is ridiculously good.

People referenced the article that said Mario held Herbert back in 2019 but only referenced his 1st and 2nd down passing play call rates as evidence of not being aggressive, it was 60/40 in favor of running the ball…

Go look at Lane’s 1st and 2nd down pass rates this year with a first round QB…he runs it 60% of the time on 1st AND 2nd down…not exactly aggressive based on advanced analytics but his offense is one of the best in the country.

If wanting to run the ball down your throat with a mauling OL is “conservative” that’s fine by me…frankly it’s something we’ve been missing considering the stud backs we produce…

Corral averages 10+ rushes attempts per game so that skews the numbers incredibly.

 

[DrewZ2]

Thank you for completely ignoring the point of my OP.

We have an elite QB room and Mario with Herbert was an abortion.

Herbert who is all over Oregon's record book, went 12-2 his senior year, finished with a rose bowl win and finalist for a bunch of awards and trophies...... Yeah Cristobal really dropped the ball with that kid and ****ed up his career.

TVD is good and we *Think* Garcia is going to be good.....bit what has TVD really done? Trajectory is up and has a high ceiling but before handing him the Heisman, maybe he should at least know to not spike the ball with less than 3 seconds.....

 

[ssvir]

Herbert who is all over Oregon's record book, went 12-2 his senior year, finished with a rose bowl win and finalist for a bunch of awards and trophies...... Yeah Cristobal really dropped the ball with that kid and ****ed up his career.

TVD is good and we *Think* Garcia is going to be good.....bit what has TVD really done? Trajectory is up and has a high ceiling but before handing him the Heisman, maybe he should at least know to not spike the ball with less than 3 seconds.....

Herbert passed for under 200 yards in his last three games.

Did you ever think that maybe that is why he took a three step drop, saw nobody from our offense move, and then spiked it? Maybe just maybe he knew but when nobody else moved he was forced into trying to pull off a fast one.

 

[DrewZ2]

Did you ever think that maybe that is why he took a three step drop, saw nobody from our offense move, and then spiked it? Maybe just maybe he knew but when nobody else moved he was forced into trying to pull off a fast one.

Do you realize that doing what he did is an intentional grounding and would have also ended the game?.... AGAIN because TVD didn't and probably wasn't taught the rules.

ACC officials ****ed it up and didn't call ING when it should have been thus resulting in a 10 second runoff anyways

 

[ssvir]

Do you realize that doing what he did is an intentional grounding and would have also ended the game?.... AGAIN because TVD didn't and probably wasn't taught the rules.

ACC officials ****ed it up and didn't call ING when it should have been thus resulting in a 10 second runoff anyways

You just completely ignored what I posted as the likely occurrence .... he started dropping back and nobody on O had moved so his only option (determined in a millisecond) was spike it.

 

[GonzoCane]

He’ll be fine, we’ll actually make a 4th and 1

 

[g8rh8rMD]

I'm lukewarm on the prospect of Mario.

He will at least make us respectable again and hopefully he's gotten all of his gameday blunders out of the way but I'm not sold on the offense. I know that the defense will be solid bringing in some elite 5* talents and OL is his specialty so I have no concerns there. Talk me down from the ledge regarding skill positions and the plain vanilla offense he's been running on the offensive side of the ball.

We've got two studs in TVD/Garcia and what I saw out of Oregon with Herbert scares the fvck out of me.

I'm no recruiting expert but it also seems like they are NOT loading the boat with elite skill position offensive talent .... mostly defense and OL.

Skill position talent is never going to be the problem at Miami.

This is why we need an incredible AD and possibly a football mind like Zo involved as well. You can’t leave filling out the coaching staff 100% to the head coach. Multiple great minds are better than one.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Where is this “conservative offensive philosophy” narrative coming from?

Joe Moorhead is a top 3 OC in CFB, arguably the best. Go look at his offenses at PSU. Better yet, go look at his offenses at Fordham where he had a 1000 yard rusher and 2 1000 yard receivers in 2012/2013. Guy is ridiculously good.

People referenced the article that said Mario held Herbert back in 2019 but only referenced his 1st and 2nd down passing play call rates as evidence of not being aggressive, it was 60/40 in favor of running the ball…

Go look at Lane’s 1st and 2nd down pass rates this year with a first round QB…he runs it 60% of the time on 1st AND 2nd down…not exactly aggressive based on advanced analytics but his offense is one of the best in the country.

If wanting to run the ball down your throat with a mauling OL is “conservative” that’s fine by me…frankly it’s something we’ve been missing considering the stud backs we produce…

Moorhead is a good OC but he is running the offense Mario wants. The offense under Moorhead looks similar to the offense under Arroyo. Having a “mauling OL” sounds great in theory but it’s going to be tough to recruit the personnel he would need to do that in Miami.

 

[TruCane81]

Unless it's Kiffin, the next HC woild he wise to at least consider keeping Lashlee around. The O isn't without its faults but we struck gold with TVD and Lashlee has shown a willingness to adjust the offense to suit his skillset.

We've seen QB's like Kaaya and KW struggle in part due to a revolving door at OC. TVD has immense potential, and the O is putting plenty of points on the board as-is. Bring in some plug and play starters along the OL via the portal and its only going to get better.

I just hate how Lashlee goes into a vanilla shell when things matter the most. I don’t like his lack of a fully fleshed out, drop back short passing game. He also doesn’t use his variety of run plays enough and is too slow to adjust to problems (RT vs Bama).

Lashlee can walk as far as I’m concerned. If he fixed those problems, I would feel a lot better about keeping him. He relies on rpo too much and a well coached defense can bait you into bad decisions.

I would like him to speed up the drop back passing game too. I keep going back to LSU -Auburn in 2019 because of how Joe Brady lead his offense to a tough road win over a defense that was beating his offensive line. LSU ran a high octane record breaking downfield attack against most opponents that season. They went to Auburn and the defensive line was kicking their *** from the first series, sacking and pressuring Burrow early. Lesser coordinators like Richt or Lashlee would have been slow, stubborn and gotten their team beaten by 17. Then make excuses about execution and how Auburn is such a tough place to win. Brady attacked the hash area where the strong safety was playing off coverage, which most teams won’t do. He also called quick breaking plays that allowed Burrows to throw DROP BACK passes in UNDER 2 seconds. He wasn’t getting sacked waiting for guys. His offense always gave him a safe throw and multiple quick options IMMEDIATELY.

We have never seen anything close to resembling that from Lashlee. If a guy like Brady was our coordinator, Alabama game would not have been a complete blood bath. I think Mario can do better if he is the guy.

 

[JHallCanes]

How many years have we seen our skill players have lackluster careers? At a certain point you need an X's and O's guy to put them in a position to excel.

Agreed