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JD08 said:
I have zero problems being tough on crime. I do have problems with the stigma of a record staying with you for life and I think if a person commits a crime there should be resources available to show them a path away from recidivism.
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I definitely understand that position and agree with it. However, there are some people that aren't going to be rehabilitated and just letting them off easy is going to embolden them to keep committing crimes (like in NYC from the NY Post article).

Locally there was a person that got arrested 3 times for breaking into businesses and burglarizing them (small businesses too that I'm sure he took thousands of dollars in goods). He was let out 3 times and then rearrested shortly after for doing the same exact thing before they FINALLY charged him with a felony and no bail. Incredible that the system is setup to allow that to happen.

But I agree that some people just make 1 bad decision and it can stick with you for the rest of your life. Those aren't the people I'm talking about though. But I do agree, for those 1-off people that just make a bad decision or have a bad day (and don't commit a heinous crime of course)... should be able to get back on their feet. ****, we are all human... I did stupid things when I was younger!
 
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imurcane said:
I know this real piece of **** that took a charge at 14 so everyone else walked. It was an armed robbery. He went to prison for a decade.

At 14 he is able to throw his life away? Respectfully, the pro life crowd is ready to three and out his ***.

Is he a bad person? Should armed robbery at 14 follow him forever?

Tell me what is his ceiling for life? How many of you wouldnoff yourself if that was your ceiling? How many would off yourself if it was your floor? I’m a mandated reporter. Just tell me you are under 18 with SI. I’ll call dfacs for you!
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No... at 14 armed robbery shouldn't ruin your future I agree.

But the problem nowadays is instead of making common sense reforms... they went full craziness with no bail and under sentencing and criminal justice reform that if that same kid at 14 did the same crime in NY or LA... would be out the next day.

Now think about that same kiddo at 14 (that got 10 years). He gets out the same or next day for a crime that used to be a 10 year sentence. He is still hanging out with those same kids and they go out the next week and do the same thing. Is that a better alternative? I think not.

A more reasonable alternative would be to have the kid go to a juvenile detention center and work within the system and get out on some sort of probation or observatory/check-in system (whatever... 3-6 months, a year or something like that). Do some time ... keep his record relatively clean... think about what he did and that he would know there would be consequences if he did it again. Maybe he still ends up going back to crime, or maybe he turns things around... realizes what he did was wrong and makes his life better.
 
SpikeUM said:
Surprised to see Chicago so low, but its per capita

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New Orleans - Mayor Cantrel (D)
Baltimore - Mayor Scott (D)
Birmingham - Mayor Woodfin (D)
Cleveland - Mayor Bibb (D)
Rochester - Mayor Evans (D)
Philadelphia - Mayor Kenney (D)
Atlanta - Mayor ****ens (D)
Kansas City, MO - Mayor Lucas (D)
Kansas City, KS - Mayor Garner (D)
Washington DC - Mayor Bowser (D)
Richmond - Mayor Stoney (D)
Oakland - Mayor Schaaf (D)
Cincinatti - Mayor Pureval (D)
Chicago - Mayor Lightfoot (D)


Ok muppets, what can we conclude here?

Rs are clearly fascist rasicts misogynists xenophobes who WILL turn US into Gilead.

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imurcane said:
I know this real piece of **** that took a charge at 14 so everyone else walked. It was an armed robbery. He went to prison for a decade.

At 14 he is able to throw his life away? Respectfully, the pro life crowd is ready to three and out his ***.

Is he a bad person? Should armed robbery at 14 follow him forever?

Tell me what is his ceiling for life? How many of you wouldnoff yourself if that was your ceiling? How many would off yourself if it was your floor? I’m a mandated reporter. Just tell me you are under 18 with SI. I’ll call dfacs for you!
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He's a military aged male at 14. Study after study worldwide show, statistically, there is no helping him.

Yes, there is the 1:1,000,000 story of "turning it around", but he's a tragic waste of resources.
 
Empirical Cane said:
He's a military aged male at 14. Study after study worldwide show, statistically, there is no helping him.

Yes, there is the 1:1,000,000 story of "turning it around", but he's a tragic waste of resources.
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If I understand your comments correctly you are saying, Fact of life is his life isn't worth much. He will be a drain on society. If he is one in a million he will turn it around.

What should we do with these types of people?
 
Empirical Cane said:
New Orleans - Mayor Cantrel (D)
Baltimore - Mayor Scott (D)
Birmingham - Mayor Woodfin (D)
Cleveland - Mayor Bibb (D)
Rochester - Mayor Evans (D)
Philadelphia - Mayor Kenney (D)
Atlanta - Mayor ****ens (D)
Kansas City, MO - Mayor Lucas (D)
Kansas City, KS - Mayor Garner (D)
Washington DC - Mayor Bowser (D)
Richmond - Mayor Stoney (D)
Oakland - Mayor Schaaf (D)
Cincinatti - Mayor Pureval (D)
Chicago - Mayor Lightfoot (D)


Ok muppets, what can we conclude here?

Rs are clearly fascist rasicts misogynists xenophobes who WILL turn US into Gilead.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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A lot of Trumpster Governors there. But you already know that. I think we would all expect a big city to have more crime than a small suburb. Maybe not.
 
ithacane said:
No... at 14 armed robbery shouldn't ruin your future I agree.

But the problem nowadays is instead of making common sense reforms... they went full craziness with no bail and under sentencing and criminal justice reform that if that same kid at 14 did the same crime in NY or LA... would be out the next day.

Now think about that same kiddo at 14 (that got 10 years). He gets out the same or next day for a crime that used to be a 10 year sentence. He is still hanging out with those same kids and they go out the next week and do the same thing. Is that a better alternative? I think not.

A more reasonable alternative would be to have the kid go to a juvenile detention center and work within the system and get out on some sort of probation or observatory/check-in system (whatever... 3-6 months, a year or something like that). Do some time ... keep his record relatively clean... think about what he did and that he would know there would be consequences if he did it again. Maybe he still ends up going back to crime, or maybe he turns things around... realizes what he did was wrong and makes his life better.
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Well @Empirical Cane is correct thus far, he either just got out for parole violation or is about to, and he is going to chase the money, except he can't do it legally. It is a terrible situation. His older brother is in for life, for murder. Just terrible all around.
 
imurcane said:
If I understand your comments correctly you are saying, Fact of life is his life isn't worth much. He will be a drain on society. If he is one in a million he will turn it around.

What should we do with these types of people?
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My position is this:
- That minor was very likely let down by environment (parents, socio-economics, etc)
- That minor has now become a monster
- That minor will now very likely grow into an adult monster
- That minor has a very, very, very low chance of shedding the monstrous nature of their being
- That minor's promise of birth has been tragically wasted

Absent a magic wand to fix him, we have to go with percentages to protect society at-large.

What do we explain to the parents of a person murdered or raped by this monster at 21? Oh, if only we had given him a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th chance to turn things around from.his life of violent crime as a teenager?
 
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Empirical Cane said:
My position is this:
- That minor was very likely let down by environment (parents, socio-economics, etc) agreed
- That minor has now become a monster agreed
- That minor will now very likely grow into an adult monster agreed
- That minor has a very, very, very low chance of shedding the monstrous nature of their being agreed
- That minor's promise of birth has been tragically wasted agreed

Absent a magic wand to fix him, we have to go with percentages to protect society at-large.

What do we explain to the parents of a person murdered or raped by this monster at 21? Oh, if only we had given him a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th chance to turn things around from.his life of violent crime as a teenager?
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I agree with your assessment. agreed

What should the US government do with him?
 
imurcane said:
I agree with your assessment. agreed

What should the US government do with him?
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The brutal part of me says fire up the wood chipper because its way to expensive to imprison him for life.

At least we get the fertilizer.
 
Empirical Cane said:
13-year-old boy dies after car owner shoots during attempted robbery, police say

www.foxnews.com

13-year-old boy dies after car owner shoots during attempted robbery, police say

Chicago police said a 13-year-old boy died days after getting shot when he and others allegedly tried to break into a parked car before the vehicle's owner showed up.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Darwin in action.
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Wonder how she will be sleeping? Granted she isn't 6 feet under at this time, what should she expect in the near future? Think those guys go back or cut their losses?
 
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imurcane said:
Wonder how she will be sleeping? Granted she isn't 6 feet under at this time, what should she expect in the near future? Think those guys go back or cut their losses?
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Its a sickening feeling taking a life for anyone with an ounce of humanity, regardless if they have it coming to them or not.

Real risk of someone in the neighborhood "getting even" I suppose.
 
imurcane said:
If I understand your comments correctly you are saying, Fact of life is his life isn't worth much. He will be a drain on society. If he is one in a million he will turn it around.

What should we do with these types of people?
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Is Australia still taking prisoners???
 
imurcane said:
A lot of Trumpster Governors there. But you already know that. I think we would all expect a big city to have more crime than a small suburb. Maybe not.
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AND THERE IT IS!

The liberal response is always about the governors and I just said this less than a week ago if you point to the mayors.

HOWEVER... similar to the President of the country, each state has a governor and their own laws/rules and regulations. You see what DeSantis is doing in Florida which isn't what Biden wants done. It's the same thing in the cities. It's 100% on the soft on crime liberal mayors and terrible DAs that don't enforce the laws as written
 
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