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Empirical Cane said:
I see where you are going friend, but higher ranked doesn't exactly equate to better win percentage.

However, I will agree with you Miami wins out, Clemson wins out, ND only loses to UNC, it will get sticky at least in court of public opinion.
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When the teams both only have 1 lose and 8 wins. It goes to 4 and 5 and that’s where the highest ranking will come into play. They can’t have the same record with a loss to an unranked team and we lose out bc of a loss to the top ranked team. Then their win over Clemson gets negated bc of the loss to unc. That’s going to drop their win percentage lower than Clemson would drop ours.
 
86Gang said:
That’s not true. ND doesn’t need to lose twice. If they lose Saturday to UNC, they’ll drop out the top 10. If we beat UNC and Wake, we’ll play Clemson for the ACC title.
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Super false. The top 10 has nothing to do with anything. And also, they're ranked #2. UNC is #19. If they lose to UNC on the road, they're not dropping out of the Top 10 anyway. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the ACC Standings. Please read and educate yourself on how ties are broken.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Super false. The top 10 has nothing to do with anything. And also, they're ranked #2. UNC is #19. If they lose to UNC on the road, they're not dropping out of the Top 10 anyway. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the ACC Standings. Please read and educate yourself on how ties are broken.
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The highest win percentage would show thru the rankings wouldn’t it? Also, just like FSU going over us bc we loss to Washington. BD loses to UNC and we beat UNC, we’ll go.
 
86Gang said:
The highest win percentage would show thru the rankings wouldn’t it? Also, just like FSU going over us bc we loss to Washington. BD loses to UNC and we beat UNC, we’ll go.
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Sir, with all due respect, you're wildly incorrect. Please read the rules before you confuse people. We need ND to lose twice, or Clemson to lose again. Period. Stop with rankings, and you're talking about a BCS formula from 20 years ago which has literally zero in common with this situation. Read, understand the criteria, then offer your opinion. I'm really not trying to be a **** but you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Super false. The top 10 has nothing to do with anything. And also, they're ranked #2. UNC is #19. If they lose to UNC on the road, they're not dropping out of the Top 10 anyway. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the ACC Standings. Please read and educate yourself on how ties are broken.
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You’re right about it having nothing to do with ACC standings, however if the #2 team loses to the #19 team they should definitely fall out of the top 10.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
You’re right about it having nothing to do with ACC standings, however if the #2 team loses to the #19 team they should definitely fall out of the top 10.
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UGA is #9 with 2 losses, and a close win over a horrible Miss St team with less than 50 scholarship players. If ND loses to UNC on Saturday, there is a 0.0% chance they fall out of the top 10.

I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm just telling you what the committee will do. You don't go from #2 to #11 by losing a road game vs a ranked team. ND would be 8-1, their only loss to a Top 15 team on the road (UNC would rise to above 15 with a win), a win against the new #2 team (Clemson would move to #2 if ND lost), and 6 of their other 7 wins came by at least 14 points. The only game they've won by less than 14 was Louisville. It's not like they've played world-beaters, but they're #2 right now. They're not going to #11 with a loss to UNC. As much as we all wish they'd go to #111, I have to call it how I see it and what the committee has shown they'll do week after week, year after year.

UGA is #9 with 2 losses, we are #10, and OU is #11 with 2 losses. A 1 loss ND isn't dropping below those teams.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Sir, with all due respect, you're wildly incorrect. Please read the rules before you confuse people. We need ND to lose twice, or Clemson to lose again. Period. Stop with rankings, and you're talking about a BCS formula from 20 years ago which has literally zero in common with this situation. Read, understand the criteria, then offer your opinion. I'm really not trying to be a **** but you have no idea what you're talking about.
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I only used the BCS for an example to help you understand. You got a Whole attitude about that? 🤔
 
86Gang said:
I only used the BCS for an example to help you understand. You got a Whole attitude about that? 🤔
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Jesus Christ dude. No, but you're saying things that are flatly incorrect. This is like you trying to tell me that 2+2 = 4 and I start talking about the moon landing. Cool, but it has nothing to do with what you're saying.

I'm genuinely not trying to be a ****, but you're wrong. I don't know how else to tell you. You're not correct. Your posts are false. You're wrong. You're the opposite of right.

To get the thread back on track, NOTRE DAME HAS TO LOSE TWICE OR CLEMSON HAS TO LOSE AGAIN FOR MIAMI TO HAVE A SHOT AT THE ACC CHAMPIONSHIP. If Notre Dame only loses once, whether this week to UNC or to any other team, and Clemson wins out, they play in the ACCCG.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Jesus Christ dude. No, but you're saying things that are flatly incorrect. This is like you trying to tell me that 2+2 = 4 and I start talking about the moon landing. Cool, but it has nothing to do with what you're saying.

I'm genuinely not trying to be a ****, but you're wrong. I don't know how else to tell you. You're not correct. Your posts are false. You're wrong. You're the opposite of right.

To get the thread back on track, NOTRE DAME HAS TO LOSE TWICE OR CLEMSON HAS TO LOSE AGAIN FOR MIAMI TO HAVE A SHOT AT THE ACC CHAMPIONSHIP. If Notre Dame only loses once, whether this week to UNC or to any other team, and Clemson wins out, they play in the ACCCG.
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If you say so. We gotta beat Wake and they have to lose to UNC first. Then we’ll have to beat UNC.
 
Sorry boys I’m not a stick my head in the sand person.

I just don’t see us winning WF or NC , please I was recruited by Miami with my friends, I trained in there weight room in high school, I’ve played catch with Jim Kelly in Papa Nick Chickillos back yard .

I will not cheat my Canes of the truth of anything.

YES , we can run the table YES we can no doubt at all , BUT.

The command center in SOME players in key positions BRAINS mindset has not been reformed to a focused team with others YET .

YES it’s in the works but not a BOOM fix since the ME mindset has been there mindset for years and has been CONFIRMED by them publicly.

So don’t BLAME me .

It will be AWESOME to run the table I really really want to be wrong here.

Sticking our heads in the sand doesn’t fix anything.

We beat GT with another close last minute King drive WIN .

To do this with the ups and downs of battle when opponents are scoring to stay up mentally focused to not crack under bad calls and TD the targeting and penalties will return WHY our NEW team focused mindset is VERY new and not tested.
Testing this new mindset against scoring machines the pressure fir 4 quarters will tough to achieve fir teenagers whom haven’t experienced TEAM focus before.

If this doesn’t make since then those whom disagree have no idea of the top 5 or so teams focused abilities.

Has a player or players from these teams ever come out and state “ we’ve been going through the motions “ for some time?

HECK NO.

Team leadership would root these players out in private team meetings WAY earlier even in practice.

Once detected in practice TIME OUT TIME OUT , DUDE get over hears WTF YOU ain’t right we will make you stop being a ME player right here NOW our GET OF THIS PRACTICE FIELD NOW.

Sorry

GT WIN
NC LOSS
WF LOSS

Kills me to NIT cheat this team of the TRUTH, I love my Canes I will not cheat them of the TRUTH

GOCANES
 
GOCANES05 said:
Sorry boys I’m not a stick my head in the sand person.

I just don’t see us winning WF or NC , please I was recruited by Miami with my friends, I trained in there weight room in high school, I’ve played catch with Jim Kelly in Papa Nick Chickillos back yard .

I will not cheat my Canes of the truth of anything.

YES , we can run the table YES we can no doubt at all , BUT.

The command center in SOME players in key positions BRAINS mindset has not been reformed to a focused team with others YET .

YES it’s in the works but not a BOOM fix since the ME mindset has been there mindset for years and has been CONFIRMED by them publicly.

So don’t BLAME me .

It will be AWESOME to run the table I really really want to be wrong here.

Sticking our heads in the sand doesn’t fix anything.

We beat GT with another close last minute King drive WIN .

To do this with the ups and downs of battle when opponents are scoring to stay up mentally focused to not crack under bad calls and TD the targeting and penalties will return WHY our NEW team focused mindset is VERY new and not tested.
Testing this new mindset against scoring machines the pressure fir 4 quarters will tough to achieve fir teenagers whom haven’t experienced TEAM focus before.

If this doesn’t make since then those whom disagree have no idea of the top 5 or so teams focused abilities.

Has a player or players from these teams ever come out and state “ we’ve been going through the motions “ for some time?

HECK NO.

Team leadership would root these players out in private team meetings WAY earlier even in practice.

Once detected in practice TIME OUT TIME OUT , DUDE get over hears WTF YOU ain’t right we will make you stop being a ME player right here NOW our GET OF THIS PRACTICE FIELD NOW.

Sorry

GT WIN
NC LOSS
WF LOSS

Kills me to NIT cheat this team of the TRUTH, I love my Canes I will not cheat them of the TRUTH

GOCANES
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This is something you’d find scribbled into a notebook in an abandoned asylum. My god.
 
Here are the ACC rules before we get to any tiebreakers. As long as Clemson is within one game of the average number of conference games played, they're in. But hoping for them to lose is a double edged sword. We'd better beat ND because if we don't and they become ACC champions, they will have shown how bad the ACC sucks.

From the ACC:
The ACC Champion will be decided by a game between the two postseason eligible teams with the highest percentage of wins during all regular season conference competition.

However, for any team to be eligible for the ACC Football Championship Game, or to be considered in a tiebreaker, such team must have played within one (1) total conference game of the average number of conference games played by all conference teams (rounding up/down at .5) during the 2020 season. For example, if the average number of conference games played in the 2020 season is 9.25 (value of nine (9) when rounded down), a team would be eligible to participate in the ACC Football Championship Game, or be considered in a tiebreaker, if that team played eight (8) or more conference games. Furthermore, in the event there is an unequal total number of conference games played among teams tied in the loss column, head-to-head results will take precedence over win-percentage.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Check us on this, but I believe ND losing one, regardless of their ranking would get the spot over Miami based on two team tie rule and record vs "common opponent(s)"

Is that right? Wrong?
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You're 100% Correct! Common opponents are next in line if two teams have the same amount of losses. I may be wrong though.
 
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canecrazy23 said:
You 100%. Common opponents are next in line if two teams have the same amount of losses. I may be wrong though.
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So that means Miami and ND common opponent would also be UNC. So if it’s between Miami and ND once the two team tie breaker takes place, we would both have a win against a common opponent. I believe it would then be who has the highest win percentage.
 
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86Gang said:
So that means Clemson and ND common opponent would also be UNC. So if it’s between Miami and ND once the two team tie breaker takes place, we would both have a win against a common opponent. I believe it would then be who has the highest win percentage.
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Listen I see what you're saying and in a normal world your scenario makes sense but It's college football and It's ND so we will get screwed in your scenario. Seen it too many times in my 40 plus years of being a CANE!!
 
86Gang said:
So that means Clemson and ND common opponent would also be UNC. So if it’s between Miami and ND once the two team tie breaker takes place, we would both have a win against a common opponent. I believe it would then be who has the highest win percentage.
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When does Clemson play UNC?
 
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