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CFF stands for for college football fan meaning I don’t get all my info from homer football fan forums fricktard It’s a big world out there. Explore itYou're brand new to following the team but you are certain the team you didn't follow last year was gifted wins against not one but two opponents. LOL. FOH Troll.
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Miami would have two additional national championships if not for refs botching a call in both the 1988 and 2002 games. So just that fact alone makes it a sore spot for us. However, an entire book could be written on the subject. Go Google the “Miami Rule,” and educate yourself on how the NCAA changed rules and punished Miami because all the racists hated that we had black players celebrating on the field. Then go look at the number of penalties we’ve received over the years versus our opponents, or the years where our opponents had no holding calls against us even though we had one of the top pass rushes in the country, or the number of TDs taken away from us for random reasons, or safeties that suddenly aren’t safeties, and just for fun… go watch the play when Calais Campbell got a roughing the passer penalty against UNC…except he was a good 10 yards from the QB and the QB never even got hit or knocked down by anyone.
And then STFU and don’t come back until you have something meaningful to contribute.
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I'm not ready to assume USC will be trash this year, that might be a real game.
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This post is 100% correct.
I have lived with DECADES of uninformed TV announcers framing botched ref calls as something that they are not.
Yes, I am still angry at Keith Jackson and Bob Griese telling the world that Cleveland Gary fumbled the football in 1988 when he didn't, and the refs didn't call a fumble (and it certainly didn't help that the network cut to a commercial rather than lose some precious advertising time in order to clarify a confusing and game-altering *****-up by the refs.).
The announcers did not understand the ending of the VaTech game, even though their former-ref/rules-expert DID. And it is certainly not helpful when announcers continued to interject their own personal opinions in the Cal game, even after the call has been booth-reviewed.
I get it, there are some close calls in football. Not everything is as simple as one's first observation of the play might indicate. Sometimes the team that you don't favor gets a call that favors them.
This is the reason I don't give a **** what the "casual fan" thinks about certain outcomes, when they have been bombarded with biased and one-sided announcers telling them about how they should be outraged. I just don't care.
Please note, all of the "fake-outrage" people who are angry about the VaTech call and who tell you that "the play should stand as it was called on the field"...
ARE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE...
...who will tell you that the NON-CALL of targeting in the Cal-Miami game SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED...
******* hypocrites. They just want those two calls to go against Miami, regardless of what tortured logic they have to argue to achieve their desired outcomes.
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This is absolutely correct. I know I’m a biased Miami super fan, and I know we have a reputation for blaming refs. But just off the top of my head, I can think of the Cleveland Gary fumble, the fiesta bowl PI, the three PI’s against us on dukes final drive including the interception and almost getting absolutely screwed on the kickoff return, and the VT game. I also can’t think of any major controversial calls that have truly benefitted us, and if they did that didn’t spark major outcry from everyone in the college football world. Yet, I can’t really think of any missed or incorrect calls in marquee games with importance that have gone against any other blue blood programs
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Haven't heard this one. I doubt Carr goes anywhere but who knows.
Congrats on the win. Bain’s a great player and was a factor all game. I figured our tackles might have trouble since they’re smaller and he’s so physical setting the edge, but he was even more disruptive than I expected.
ND’s offensive game plan was just **** - awful play calling and personnel moves. I don’t get why they bent over backwards to scheme screens and pass plays for the tight end instead of Love. Postgame reports were that Love's carries were limited b/c Miami took away the run on RPO so Carr pulled and threw the bubble instead. No kidding, Miami’s defensive plan was to take away the run first. Wild idea, but maybe just call a run play so you know Love will get the handoff.
Price doesn’t see the field until the 5th series, sparks the offense with 50 yards on 5 carries, gets them to the goal line - then gets benched the rest of the game for a fumble Carr recovered. I get it, you can’t fumble there, but maybe don’t call the slowest-developing run in the book when Miami’s selling out to stop the run. The pulling guard trips over his own guy, leaves a huge lane for your LBer to run through and he puts his helmet on the ball a yard deep in the backfied. Plenty of blame to go around, but Price was the only one who paid for it.
The defense did make some adjustments, especially to account for Toney, and they looked better in the second half. Miami got a bit too conservative on offense and that certainly helped ND out. Your backs didn’t get the yards they should have with the holes the line opened, and slips in the backfield hurt both teams. One of those slips was on a 3rd-and-1 that killed a drive - if he converts there, Miami probably drives the field and scores, and the game may have go out of hand.
Your kicker buried the FG to win it, but I thought it was crazy for Mario to settle from that distance, especially after the first miss and a shaky PAT. I would’ve absolutely dropped back and thrown to Toney, who was basically open on every five-yard route in the first half.
Both teams should make the playoffs and Miami could make a deep run if they can stay relatively healthy and your backs play on the same level as your line. ND needs Jagusah back on the oline and they need Carr to build off this game.
Hard to imagine the domers not in the playoffs. Laughably easy next 11 games with one top 25 opponent (#19) played at home and no conference championship to get thru? Kind of a joke actually.
Bit too early to project how the schedule shakes out but it looks very manageable right now.
Hey newbie, I've been watching football a long, long time. And it's true a lot of times we fans get out of hand with criticizing the officiating. I'll even call it out when we do. But on Sunday they sucked. It was bad. I've seen worse, but it was bad. See Lance's breakdown for some egregious examples.
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see ya in the playoff!
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They probably can't have any more slips though for those exact 2 reasons in order to get in the playoff. Oh well. ****'em.
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Not trying to give you a hard time, but everything I predicted about the game came to pass. Miami put all its defensive efforts into stopping the run, because the passing game would not beat us. I tried to tell ND fans that our OLs and DLs were better than they knew, and that the ND OLs and DLs were not as fearsome as they had been made out to be. And while I didn't expect the heat/humidity to strike down every ND player, you lost a key OL at a key point in the game due to the cramping issue, which y'all had ASSURED us would not happen, because "you played Texas A&M last year early".
Having said that, I do agree with a lot of what you say, but I can also say that some of that was "a choice". I said that neither Love nor Price was a bellcow running back and would not carry the day without a "home run" long run of about 50 yards or more. Yes, Price had a 30 yarder. Kudos. But outside of that, Love, Price, AND Carr were handled on the runs. In fact, my prior issue about "home run" plays can sum up BOTH teams' offenses pretty well. Outside of the blown-defensive-coverage long pass to your tight end, and Price's 30 yard burst one time, ND would have had 1/3 less offensive output. TWO PLAYS. Meanwhile, what worked on the Miami side is the steady drumbeat of 5 and 6 and 7 yard plays. We did not have any big home-runs, though the two TD passes were pretty amazing. We just kept kept kept moving the ball (when we succeeded) without relying on some huge play for the bulk of the movement.
Traore was great. That one LB of yours was great. The DBs efforts to hold and interfere with our WRs without drawing a penalty was great. Other than that, our offensive output could possibly have been doubled. The bad snap on the FG was frustrating. We likely would have scored another TD if CharMarMarty Brown hadn't been tackled by the grass on a 1 yard run. And we had a couple of long TD passes that failed to connect due to juuuuust enough grabbing and bumping and pushing of our receivers.
Again, that's not an indictment. If it's a CHOICE by the refs to allow contact, that's fine, just be consistent. We were both running pretty clean until Miami was about to go up by 3 TDs, and suddenly the refs turned it into a flag-fest against Miami. I saw where one of the ND writers complained about a missed holding call on Miami's last scoring drive. Sure. I understand some missed calls, the refs can't see everything (or they are looking the other way on purpose). But I have a bigger problem with calling penalties on stuff that wasn't a penalty. Like one of our holds. One of OUR defensive pass interference penalties. The personal foul on the return.
Fortunately, the refs didn't beat us on Sunday. Usually when you have one team's OL pushing the other team's DL down the field, and then that same team's DL is controlling the opponent's OL, AND there is a turnover margin of +2, you expect that team to win by double-digits. Between the quality of ND and the lack of quality by the refs, it became only a 3-point victory.
At any rate, it was a fun game, Miami won, and I lost my voice. Sooooo...all is right with the world.
Our upcoming games should be fun. And ND STILLLLL hasn't beaten Miami in Miami since the 1970s.
lol. Does manageable mean double digit favorites except for Tex am game?
Sounds right. The Syracuse game has me a bit worried.
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imo yall will be in the playoffs too