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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Hold My Beer said:
If so, wouldn't it make sense for both ESPN and the SEC to want the Canes?

Why would entities all about making money pass on something so valuable?
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ESPN would love Miami in the SEC. The problem is that there are a number of SEC schools that DO NOT want us in. This includes Florida (obvious reasons), Auburn, Alabama, and UGA. The biggest issue with those schools is they don’t want us in for recruiting reasons.

However, if Sankey decides he wants us their concerns will be put aside. No one school or small group can outright derail another. USC did not want Oregon or Washington in the B10 and we all saw what happened.

Ultimately, as I’ve said from the beginning, I think we end up in the B10. Better fit culturally for where we’re at.
 
Hold My Beer said:
Said it 1,000 times – and of course I could be wrong as I often am: But NFW that FSU turns down the SEC for the B1G making less dollars and zero sense.

Maybe there's some way GT and Dook end up in the Big Ten alongside Miami, but I don't see any circumstances whereby Sankey lets the other P2 conference plant its flag in Atlanta and the SEC doesn't go all out for the nation's No. 1 basketball brand at a school with whom the school presidents would love to associate. JMO
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the B1G is currently and poised to continue to outpace the SEC in revenue per program. Long term, I believe B1G programs will make more $$$ than SEC programs... The B1G has: more population, significantly larger TV markets, better diversification in their media deals, coast to coast coverage, better academics. The B1G also gets to renegotiate sooner which gives them a 4 year head start on resetting the market.

and lately, the B1G even has better football than the SEC....

FSU may turn down a deal for the B1G because it prefers the SEC... but I think they'll have to consider a B1G offer if they get one...

like I said, Miami/FSU going together multiply their value...
 
FL Cane said:
Ultimately, as I’ve said from the beginning, I think we end up in the B10. Better fit culturally for where we’re at.
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Very good chance you're right mi amigo.

But can you elaborate on the sentence in bold?

How would we any "better fit culturally" with a Big Ten (at this time) full of state schools primarily in the Midwest with few sprinkled not far from the Pacific Ocean. I mean ... we wouldn't be in a league with a bunch of schools with a makeup similar to Rutgers or Maryland.

I don't disagree at all that Miami is similar odd fit in the SEC, but there's a difference when that league will include our two most hated rivals from our very own state and a bunch of other schools where plane flights will be half the distance of the Big Ten.

It's possible some folks are underestimating the negative impact of travel Miami would face with membership in the Big Ten.
 
Hold My Beer said:
FL Cane said:
Ultimately, as I’ve said from the beginning, I think we end up in the B10. Better fit culturally for where we’re at.
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Very good chance you're right mi amigo.

But can you elaborate on the sentence in bold?

How would we any "better fit culturally" with a Big Ten (at this time) full of state schools primarily in the Midwest with few sprinkled not far from the Pacific Ocean. I mean ... we wouldn't be in a league with a bunch of schools with a makeup similar to Rutgers or Maryland.

I don't disagree at all that Miami is similar odd fit in the SEC, but there's a difference when that league will include our two most hated rivals from our very own state and a bunch of other schools where plane flights will be half the distance of the Big Ten.

It's possible some folks are underestimating the negative impact of travel Miami would face with membership in the Big Ten.
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To me it comes down to our academic credentials and pre-existing history with other B10 schools. There’s history with OSU, Penn State, and even Michigan. Count Wisconsin and Washington in there too. We’d have marquee match ups year to year. Also we’d finally get the much talked about Miami vs USC matchup that CFB has been waiting years for. Not to mention Oregon.

With the SEC we have history with Florida and Bama, and the rest is a bit more spotty. Our school culture and pedigree is more aligned with B10 too.
 
AuoraCane said:
I'd add then why would Miami accept a partial share?
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1. Escape the ACC

2. Partial shares initially, like OU, Texas, UW and Oregon to name recent examples. Probably for a couple years, certainly not long term (unless we were to struggle and media rights shares were based more on winning/TV viewers vs. even distribution across the board
 
Hold My Beer said:
Very good chance you're right mi amigo.

But can you elaborate on the sentence in bold?

How would we any "better fit culturally" with a Big Ten (at this time) full of state schools primarily in the Midwest with few sprinkled not far from the Pacific Ocean. I mean ... we wouldn't be in a league with a bunch of schools with a makeup similar to Rutgers or Maryland.

I don't disagree at all that Miami is similar odd fit in the SEC, but there's a difference when that league will include our two most hated rivals from our very own state and a bunch of other schools where plane flights will be half the distance of the Big Ten.

It's possible some folks are underestimating the negative impact of travel Miami would face with membership in the Big Ten.
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Cities vs College towns in SEC is my guess
 
FL Cane said:
To me it comes down to our academic credentials and pre-existing history with other B10 schools. There’s history with OSU, Penn State, and even Michigan. Count Wisconsin and Washington in there too. We’d have marquee match ups year to year. Also we’d finally get the much talked about Miami vs USC matchup that CFB has been waiting years for. Not to mention Oregon.

With the SEC we have history with Florida and Bama, and the rest is a bit more spotty. Our school culture and pedigree is more aligned with B10 too.
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FSU and Clemson will be the SEC, too. Same goes imo for another half-dozen ACC escapees including VA Tech and GA Tech
 
Hold My Beer said:
FL Cane said:
To me it comes down to our academic credentials and pre-existing history with other B10 schools. There’s history with OSU, Penn State, and even Michigan. Count Wisconsin and Washington in there too. We’d have marquee match ups year to year. Also we’d finally get the much talked about Miami vs USC matchup that CFB has been waiting years for. Not to mention Oregon.

With the SEC we have history with Florida and Bama, and the rest is a bit more spotty. Our school culture and pedigree is more aligned with B10 too.
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FSU and Clemson will be the SEC, too. Same goes imo for another half-dozen ACC escapees including VA Tech and GA Tech
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I think there’s a good chance GT also ends up in the B10. As for Va Tech, before Franklin I would’ve said they are 100% B12 bound. However, better chance now for them to make the B2. What also helps them is that they’ll likely be a package deal with whoever picks up UVA.
 
FL Cane said:
I think there’s a good chance GT also ends up in the B10. As for Va Tech, before Franklin I would’ve said they are 100% B12 bound. However, better chance now for them to make the B2. What also helps them is that they’ll likely be a package deal with whoever picks up UVA.
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I don't SEC is stopping at anything less than 24.

How do you get to that number without taking a VT or GT (or NC State for that matter)?
 
Hold My Beer said:
I don't SEC is stopping at anything less than 24.

How do you get to that number without taking a VT or GT (or NC State for that matter)?
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Here's the thing.

If that WAS the truth, I've already put forth the ideal SEC expansion:

Miami
F$U
GaTech
Clemson
UNC
NC State OR Duke
UVa
VaTech

With possibly the exceptions of Miami/Duke, it is an ideal cultural fit, and if you only take 2 privates, who cares, you've got 6 state schools.

You ABSOLUTELY lock down the SEC footprint forever. The Big 10 is almost completely shut out of the southeast.

Maybe they take Duke. Maybe USF. Who else is left in the southeast that fits the academic/athletic profile of the Big 10.

And the funny thing is, I believe that entire list would give an immediate "yes" to the SEC. Sure, maybe Duke would take 5 minutes to think about it. And maybe Miami would have its moment of doubt. But if we were in the southeast quadrant of the Big 10 WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE TEAMS I just listed...it would not be good.

The Big 10 needs half of those teams to make its southeastern play. The SEC could ace out the Big 10 if it goes to 24 teams WITH THOSE TEAMS.

But I think the SEC is going to play cutesy. Try to expand 2 teams at a time. UNC and UVa definitely. Maybe 2 more if push comes to shove.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Here's the thing.

If that WAS the truth, I've already put forth the ideal SEC expansion:

Miami
F$U
GaTech
Clemson
UNC
NC State OR Duke
UVa
VaTech

With possibly the exceptions of Miami/Duke, it is an ideal cultural fit, and if you only take 2 privates, who cares, you've got 6 state schools.

You ABSOLUTELY lock down the SEC footprint forever. The Big 10 is almost completely shut out of the southeast.

Maybe they take Duke. Maybe USF. Who else is left in the southeast that fits the academic/athletic profile of the Big 10.

And the funny thing is, I believe that entire list would give an immediate "yes" to the SEC. Sure, maybe Duke would take 5 minutes to think about it. And maybe Miami would have its moment of doubt. But if we were in the southeast quadrant of the Big 10 WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE TEAMS I just listed...it would not be good.

The Big 10 needs half of those teams to make its southeastern play. The SEC could ace out the Big 10 if it goes to 24 teams WITH THOSE TEAMS.

But I think the SEC is going to play cutesy. Try to expand 2 teams at a time. UNC and UVa definitely. Maybe 2 more if push comes to shove.
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The question becomes, is the SEC and BIG10 more valuable packaged together than separately. If they can create more value together then they'll merge and divisions will form regionally. It may just be a matter of getting into one of the two, in the long run.

The funny thing is that may be more palatable for fans because you can create rival divisions and get some of the regional matchups back.
 
hurricaneman said:
The question becomes, is the SEC and BIG10 more valuable packaged together than separately. If they can create more value together then they'll merge and divisions will form regionally. It may just be a matter of getting into one of the two, in the long run.

The funny thing is that may be more palatable for fans because you can create rival divisions and get some of the regional matchups back.
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They will not merge.

There might be an NFC/AFC or NL/AL model for sports, but those two conferences will never merge.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
They will not merge.

There might be an NFC/AFC or NL/AL model for sports, but those two conferences will never merge.
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I'm talking about merging under one governing body in one league. Once that happens all bets are off. Name another major sport that has two separate governing bodies.
 
hurricaneman said:
I'm talking about merging under one governing body in one league. Once that happens all bets are off. Name another major sport that has two separate governing bodies.
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I mean...soccer has a bunch.

And auto racing has several.

But I get it on football-baseball-basketball.
 
Betting on joining the B1G has the highest odds, but I’m going to put my money on getting the biggest payout. ACC+Big12 merger where the top programs make considerably more money than they could in the P2 and get treated like royalty instead of unwelcome guests (not going to get a fair shake in the P2).
 
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