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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Yoyo423 said:
ESPN yes.

SEC is stubborn and thinks they're above letting others dictate terms.
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So it's a certainty that the SEC would/will not invite Miami?

I've been back and forth on that matter since @OrangeBowlMagic ignited this megathread of all megathreads, but at this point I don't feel like that door is locked shut 🤷‍♂️

Yoyo423 said:
They'll be making a strategic mistake if they let both FSU and Miami go to the B1G without a fight (a fight would be good for us). With Florida, especially the big cities, being so transient, the state is up for grabs when it comes to conference loyalty. Miami and FSU leaving would effectively be giving the B1G a greater foothold in Florida than the SEC.
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FSU is going to the SEC
 
Hold My Beer said:
If so, wouldn't it make sense for both ESPN and the SEC to want the Canes?

Why would entities all about making money pass on something so valuable?
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The SEC is weird. They are in a position of strength that convinces them they can bypass a big prize "because culture". Or whatever other reason they might invent.

The Big 10 is clearly trying to build a national footprint.

And the SEC is clearly trying to maintain a regional footprint. The SEC will take UNC and UVa, and maybe even NC State and VaTech. Or maybe Clemson and/or GaTech and/or F$U. But they are highly unlikely to invite Miami.
 
CaneLife93 said:
So the SEC needs JESUS
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TheOriginalCane said:
The SEC is weird. They are in a position of strength that convinces them they can bypass a big prize "because culture". Or whatever other reason they might invent.

The Big 10 is clearly trying to build a national footprint.

And the SEC is clearly trying to maintain a regional footprint. The SEC will take UNC and UVa, and maybe even NC State and VaTech. Or maybe Clemson and/or GaTech and/or F$U. But they are highly unlikely to invite Miami.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Barring a Saul/Paul "on the road to Damascus" type of conversion, no.
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Good stuff TOC

Here's why I do think the Canes have a puncher's chance of getting an SEC invite (and we all know there'd be no offer if the commissioner was certain UM leadership would say no like Foote and Jankovich did back in 1990).

  • The SEC commissioner is running the show with 100 percent support of his university presidents. If he says "we need to do something" ... they're giving him the go-ahead each and every time. The votes can be put in place if Sankey needs them
  • Sankey is zeroed in on the money and the optics and keeping pace/getting ahead of the B1G (media rights money is a big part of the deal, but not all). He knows he can squeeze ESPN for even more dollars in an effort to keep Miami in Disney's grasp -- and then turn around and divvy up those extra bucks (ostensibly for Miami and the incoming ACC schools) and pass them on to the existing 16 members.
  • File under: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. A whole lot easier to put your thumb on a program when it's in your conference than not
  • The SEC has Atlanta, Dallas and Houston. The B1G has LA. No reason to let the other guys get the inside track on the one remaining major pipeline for College Football talent
Do I think it's likely we end up in the SEC? No.

But I definitely think we have a legit shot in no small part because Mario has righted the ship and the nationally-relevant Miami Hurricanes are big, big busine$$
 
Hold My Beer said:
Good stuff TOC

Here's why I do think the Canes have a puncher's chance of getting an SEC invite (and we all know there'd be no offer if the commissioner was certain UM leadership would say no like Foote and Jankovich did back in 1990).

  • The SEC commissioner is running the show with 100 percent support of his university presidents. If he says "we need to do something" ... they're giving him the go-ahead each and every time. The votes can be put in place if Sankey needs them
  • Sankey is zeroed in on the money and the optics and keeping pace/getting ahead of the B1G (media rights money is a big part of the deal, but not all). He knows he can squeeze ESPN for even more dollars in an effort to keep Miami in Disney's grasp -- and then turn around and divvy up those extra bucks (ostensibly for Miami and the incoming ACC schools) and pass them on to the existing 16 members.
  • File under: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. A whole lot easier to put your thumb on a program when it's in your conference than not
  • The SEC has Atlanta, Dallas and Houston. The B1G has LA. No reason to let the other guys get the inside track on the one remaining major pipeline for College Football talent
Do I think it's likely we end up in the SEC? No.

But I definitely think we have a legit shot in no small part because Mario has righted the ship and the nationally-relevant Miami Hurricanes are big, big busine$$
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For some perspective.

Miami was given a two-day deadline to respond to the SEC's offer back then. As a private school, Foote would have to call what was (and still is) a Board of Trustees of nearly 100 people. And give them financials and whatnot. Which just wasn't practical back then.

The SEC then immediately pivoted to South Carolina, which was also a major independent at the time. And South Carolina quickly said yes.

It's amazing how much has changed since then. Rather than a rapid and rushed "take it or leave it" invitation, now the conferences spend a lot more time with backchannel discussions before making these bids go out for decisions.

While I do agree with you that the SEC governance has changed, and that we are unlikely to be vetoed by Florida and/or a Florida-led minority (as has happened before), I think the following options will happen before Miami gets a call from the SEC:

1. SEC decides to ride with "flagship" Gators.

2. SEC decides to blunt what the Big 10 is doing in Florida by taking F$U, but not UM.

I'd be fine with the SEC. My regular mentions of the Big 10 are not about a hardcore "preference for one over the other", it's just a reflection that I think we have no shot with the SEC.
 
Hold My Beer said:
So it's a certainty that the SEC would/will not invite Miami?

I've been back and forth on that matter since @OrangeBowlMagic ignited this megathread of all megathreads, but at this point I don't feel like that door is locked shut 🤷‍♂️



FSU is going to the SEC
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FSU is trying to get AAU accreditation and the B1G would be wise to offer FSU a better package if they come with us.. that annual game between us and FSU is a huge inroad in Florida for the B1G and FOX and a large guaranteed annual asset for them in Florida and the Southeast...

I'd argue that FSU/Miami is the B1G's biggest single opportunity in the Southeast if it truly wants to be a national conference (still has to get into Texas somehow too) and getting both FSU/Miami together multiples the value of both teams...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
For some perspective.

Miami was given a two-day deadline to respond to the SEC's offer back then. As a private school, Foote would have to call what was (and still is) a Board of Trustees of nearly 100 people. And give them financials and whatnot. Which just wasn't practical back then.

The SEC then immediately pivoted to South Carolina, which was also a major independent at the time. And South Carolina quickly said yes.

It's amazing how much has changed since then. Rather than a rapid and rushed "take it or leave it" invitation, now the conferences spend a lot more time with backchannel discussions before making these bids go out for decisions.
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Yeah, amazing how College Football has grown into the multi-billion dollar monstrosity it is now — all in less than 40 years.

Almost like a mom and pop operation back in 1990 when the SEC was expanding from 10 to 12 schools.

Day 1: SEC commissioner Roy Kramer shows up in Tally. "Y'all want to join, right? Here's where you sign." FSU president (with Bobby Bowden standing nearby whistling while pretending not to be listening). "Uhhh, no (takes a peeks at Bowden). I think it's for the best if we go to the ACC instead."

Day 2: A little less self-assured Kramer shows up in Coral Gables. "Glad to say that I think it's gonna workout between us and y'all. Just sign right here, please sir." Foote: "We're flattered and all that, but, uhhh, I think it's best we stay put for now. Thanks so much for coming all the way down here, though."

Day 3: Kramer arrives in Columbia, S.C. "Sign this ******* piece of paper, then you're in the SEC and we're done here." USCe president: "Yes sir, Mr. Kramer, Anthing you want!"

TheOriginalCane said:
I'd be fine with the SEC. My regular mentions of the Big 10 are not about a hardcore "preference for one over the other", it's just a reflection that I think we have no shot with the SEC.
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Much prefer the SEC in large part due to UM's location, but the B1G would be a helluva consolation prize. Just would hate being the only school located in the geographic South
 
Yoyo423 said:
FSU is trying to get AAU accreditation and the B1G would be wise to offer FSU a better package if they come with us.. that annual game between us and FSU is a huge inroad in Florida for the B1G and FOX and a large guaranteed annual asset for them in Florida and the Southeast...

I'd argue that FSU/Miami is the B1G's biggest single opportunity in the Southeast if it truly wants to be a national conference (still has to get into Texas somehow too) and getting both FSU/Miami together multiples the value of both teams...
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Said it 1,000 times – and of course I could be wrong as I often am: But NFW that FSU turns down the SEC for the B1G making less dollars and zero sense.

Maybe there's some way GT and Dook end up in the Big Ten alongside Miami, but I don't see any circumstances whereby Sankey lets the other P2 conference plant its flag in Atlanta and the SEC doesn't go all out for the nation's No. 1 basketball brand at a school with whom the school presidents would love to associate. JMO
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The SEC is weird. They are in a position of strength that convinces them they can bypass a big prize "because culture". Or whatever other reason they might invent.

The Big 10 is clearly trying to build a national footprint.

And the SEC is clearly trying to maintain a regional footprint. The SEC will take UNC and UVa, and maybe even NC State and VaTech. Or maybe Clemson and/or GaTech and/or F$U. But they are highly unlikely to invite Miami.
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Doesn't the Big 10 get extra money if they expand into a new state as well. I believe I saw that somewhere but not sure if that is the case or was but isn't anymore.
 
wnycanesfan said:
Doesn't the Big 10 get extra money if they expand into a new state as well. I believe I saw that somewhere but not sure if that is the case or was but isn't anymore.
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I believe it is two-fold. First, the networks will pay extra carriage fees for taking the content into a new state. Second, I believe that the Big 10 Network also gets a bump in carriage fees for going into new states.
 
Someone remind me. Exit Fee based on year school leaves or when give their notice?

For example, Miami announces leaving ACC next month. But will not join new league for four years.
 
Tony4Canes said:
Someone remind me. Exit Fee based on year school leaves or when give their notice?

For example, Miami announces leaving ACC next month. But will not join new league for four years.
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Pay what you own on the day you leave (not announce).

So in your example, UM would $75M if it left in the summer of 2030
 
Tony4Canes said:
Someone remind me. Exit Fee based on year school leaves or when give their notice?

For example, Miami announces leaving ACC next month. But will not join new league for four years.
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it was $147M for 2027 I am pretty positive, and would now be $129M for 2028. 2027 deadline passed a few weeks ago.
 
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